The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.
“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.
Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.
Illegal search and seizure. Where’s the nra? The various groups that swore to uphold the constitution?
“Maria. Sounds Mexican, she deserves it probably.”
-NRA
Her name is Marisa.
Even Mexicaner
Fairly sure it’s Italian/Spanish actually. But, most republicans probably think of them as the same thing.
They wish they had our Mediterranean good looks.
You know an awful lot about them foreigners.
I think you are one too.
Naah probably just one of them uppity college professors. I bet they don’t even like football.
You’re right! Idk why my brain deleted the S when I went to write it out, thanks!
Unironically enough for MAGAts to call for deportation.
They’re probably at a klan rally.
The NRA gave up their ‘jack-booted thugs’ rhetoric and started kissing Republican asses when Bush Jr. was president. Bush very publicly renounced his lifetime membership over LaPierre’s–very, very reasonable and measured–stance that the feds were shitty people. The NRA caved rather than continue to speak the obvious truth, and they’ve had a fetish for licking cop boots ever since.
Why is ICE seizing anything outside of whoever they supposedly had a warrant for? Did the warrant say take all electronics and valuables as they are being used to hide/fund someone we don’t like, but the people that live their, yeah their fine let them be? Like what? How is this not just want to be terrorists fucking over people with impunity?
The cops have been the biggest thieves for a long time.
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof. Since then the majority of seizures, 84%, are civil most incidental to purposeless searches that turn up no crime. Many seizures are in fact under $1000 and most are under $2000. In theory you can get your money back but it often would cost thousands so for most victims its impossible to actually get money back without spending more.
Basically for decades the authorities have been acting as robbers and have collectively stolen billions from the people directly often stopping minorities for driving while black and treating the $400 in random bob’s wallet as proceeds of an imaginary crime they don’t need to substantiate. Being black and having $400 is enough.
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof.
This is why it was so important to declare a “War on Drugs.” Most people thought it was just political rhetoric, but it was far more than that. By declaring a literal WAR on drugs, it offers the government an array of options that aren’t available in peacetime. One of those being the ability to alter the way suspects/combatants and their possessions/ weapons are treated. Money and valuables can be treated as a tool of drug dealing, and confiscated as spoils of war.
The war on drugs has only ever been rhetoric. It never literally gave anyone any additional powers because it is not in any way shape or form a declared war and has no legal meanings other than the ones you have completely fabricated in your alternate history.
Youre really misunderstanding what declaring an actual war is or is not. Technically the US has not been in an actual declared war since WWII.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress. The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
You cant declare formal war on drug use because drug use isnt a recognized sovereign country
You’re misunderstanding that you don’t need to declare an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. At any given time there are dozens of official federal emergencies, some of which have been in place for decades, allowing the White House to claim emergency powers.
You do need an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. There are declared emergencies other than war
Youre argument makes no sense, and is contradicted in each sentence.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress.
And yet, they were still wars, with lots of deaths of Americans. Clearly, those that are committed to fighting wars, don’t feel like they require the distinction of being legally declared wars by Congress.
The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
And yet many people have died, been imprisoned, and died as a result. Just try to tell people who are serving years or decades in prison that their sentences were just “political rhetoric,” and had “no actual legal bearing.”
They were imprisoned by actual drug laws that have nothing to do with the usage of the word war.
Youre fundamentally confusing what “political rhetoric” is versus what a legal action is. Calling the war on drugs a war doesnt make it a war with any actual legal modifications for anything.
Calling the war on drugs a war is a political justification for the actions taken against drug use. Therefore, calling the war on drugs a war is not a legal thing. Its just political rhetoric.
I dont see how else to explain that for you
You keep saying that, but their actual actions contradict that.
Its like saying HitlerPig isn’t supposed to rule with Executive Actions, he needs to legislate through Congress, as Constitutionally-mandated, and yet here he is, doing it.
It doesn’t matter what the law says, if the result is the same. They framed the “War on Drugs” as political rhetoric to provide plausible deniability for enablers like you, when in reality, it was absolutely used as a justification to greatly militarize law enforcement, deny citizens (mostly minorities) their Constituional and Civil Rights, increase prison sentences, embrace civil forfeiture, etc. You accepted it as strong language to fight the drug scourge, but they used it as cover to supress our rights, in the name of drugs.
It worked so well, they used the same strategy again. In the 2000s, they used the threat of Terrorism to declare a War on Terror, and establish Homeland Security, and reduce our rights even more.
Who is “we”? Please leave me out of this cult.
The life savings were illegal immigrants?
/s , obviously
The real reason is probably civil asset forfeiture.
Civil asset forfeiture… It’s uh, it’s not great.
Why does ICE have jurisdiction to seize civil assets anyway? Does my cash need a fucking passport now?
The United States Government vs tree fiddy, the honorable OleWhitey Mcfash presiding.
There’s a movie called Rebel Ridge in which this practice, and a corrupt police department, serve as the antagonists. It’s a very harsh movie but very vindicating conclusion.
It is so demoralizing to try and explain civil asset forfeiture. I’ve never had a single person believe that it’s real when I tell them about it - everybody insists that it can’t possibly be true since it’s so flagrantly unconstitutional.
Same, most people assume I’m being a crazy person and I’m about to go off about some sovcit shit or “the moon is a NASA projector they lost control of in 1962!” Or something.
John Oliver had a segment on this that may help convince people that it is real: https://youtu.be/3kEpZWGgJks
It’s “constitutional” because they’re accusing the “money” of being used illegally. There’s no actual person being accused here, but if you want to get your money back you’ll need to prove it’s innocence in court.
It’s ridiculous. At least the Institute for Justice has been winning court cases against this, but there’s still a long way to go: https://ij.org/issues/private-property/civil-forfeiture/
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“The court system in my country is so close-knit with the police that they have a policy of not charging cops with most of the crimes they might commit when on duty or requiring any proof of their statements in court.” Yeah it’s demoralizing but I don’t find it hard to explain because at a high level the issue isn’t complicated.
Let’s call it what it is. State sponsored theft of civilians.
It’s piracy.
If it is piracy that is authorized by the government it’s called privateering.
Oh, okay, that’s much better.
How do you know they are even ICE. Not saying they aren’t agents, but there was an EO that basically repurposed a lot of other agencies to become ICE deputies. DEA, ATF, etc.
Heard in a podcast that 80% of ATF is now doing ice stuff.
Generally the search and seizure is for the property, not the people. That’s IF they bother with a warrant which apparently is a big ask these days.
They have been doing shit like this for years anyway. The cops in some communities even outright stop countless vehicles coming out in order to 'seize drug money’and they end up taking any cash the person has without any evidence whatsoever. This is some Robin Hood villain shit.
Robin Hood was stealing from the rich to give to the poor, not robbing the poor for the rich.
“Robin Hood villain”
The sheriff was the villain in that story, close enough!
Robbin the hood
Definitely cant see any comparisons to the SS there 👍
some fucking gestapo shit
How long before people start pretending to be ICE to basically break and enter into homes to rob people? Not like they can fight back, or even question things, or have due process, if someone in an ICE vest shows up at your door.
Is there anything morally different between pretending to be ICE to break into people’s homes to rob them and actually being ICE and breaking into people’s homes to rob them?
Being ICE is worse because the victims are more likely to be shot or deported by these goons. Regular burglary just wants your shit with none of that hassle.
This has already been happening for several months: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html
Is there any evidence it hasn’t happened already? It’s not like they’d announce or even denounce it.
What do mean “how long”? It’s exactly what happened here?
No it isn’t, homeland security took responsibility.
Interesting how many just mindlessly upvoted it
People need to start breaking down the doors of the homes of rich white Republicans, accusing them of being illegal aliens, and claiming to be ICE. That’s when this will actually stop.
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The cruelty is the point. ICE is the refuge for assholes too racist even by normal Texas police standards.
The first item of the hiring rubrik for ICE is literally; “JERKS ONLY!”
ICE needs to be abolished.
If they can’t do their job effectively and legally thenthey shouldn’t have jobs.FTFY
They need to be dissolved. In acid.
Racism and ethnic cleansing are not “jobs” that should be done at all.
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Yea it keeps people hating people simply born somewhere else and ensures class warfare amongst the population.
What good reasons?
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Nice chatgpt reply
Gotta love how lazy people are that they can’t even argue their own point without asking a machine to make it for them.
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The solution to not repeating yourself is to stop talking, but you just love the attention whether negative or positive
If you’ve said it before you could just copy and paste it
go back to reddit please. save us the pain of downvoting you
I think everyone here gets tired of you repeating yourself.
Exactly how much arguing with people on Lemmy do you do that you find it too tiresome to do it yourself, but rather than just not engaging, you have a machine do it for you? Tbh, sounds like some shit a troll factory would do.
So they exist to solve problems that wouldn’t otherwise exist. Got it.
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You can easily administrate a region without walling off that region
This is paranoia not reality. The US has had very open boarders for a long long time, the boarder between Mexico and the US only had check points for commerce for most of my life until W started the fever dream that people moving across the boarder is going to get all the white women killed. This isn’t reality. There aren’t droves of Mexicans raping and killing white women, in fact, immigrants commit the least amount of crime out of any group of people in the US. This isn’t a problem if you aren’t a fucking racist paranoid idiot.
Countries should not exist, duh!
I’m going to disregard that first sentence because you’re explaining what they do, not giving good reasons for why they exist. In the second sentence, you indicated the principles that their existence is supposedly rooted in, but still fail to provide a good reason. Now, the third sentence: How do they ensure national security and public safety? Is there meaningful, demonstrable, or statistically significant evidence that this is the case, or are you taking it at face value to be the truth?
No, they’re mostly bullshit actually.
Their job is to cause terrorism they do it well
then they shouldn’t have jobs.
for the rest of their lives. and no gov backed living either, they need to be forced to live under the bridge
You really shouldn’t want them to be doing their jobs to any degree at all. Effective or otherwise.
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Don’t store data on other people’s computers. Use encryption locally and store an encrypted backup at a friend’s house, or in a bank safe if you must.
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I understood the worry to be about storage devices being stolen from home. In which case it would be safe at a friend’s house. Putting an encryptes backup anywhere online is partially okay, but most people trust their cloud solution software for encryption, which is about as good as sensing your unencrypted data to that company.
Even with encrypted backups the risk is that totalitarian regimes / corporations store data forever. And if your encyption keys ever leak, or the algorithm is broken, you’re fucked in retrospect.
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Nah, if you store them offline, you should ideally know when one of your backups has been stolen. Anything ever stored online is forever in limbo.
The problem with this is that anywhere you can store a file or place a backup then becomes a legal target for an ICE raid. They get a warrant to steal all your stuff, regardless of where it may be. When they steal your computers, they’ll find records of your system sending files off to an offsite backup somewhere. They can then use that as legal justification to go raid your friend’s house, and they’ll steal not only your backup drive, but all your friend’s computers as well.
The only way this doesn’t work is if the files are stored on the servers of a giant multinational or an offshore cloud provider. ICE isn’t going to be breaking into data centers and physically carting off hard drives. They instead would simply request a copy of the data, and the cloud provider would share it with them.
I think you have GenZ tunnel view on this. I was suggesting to bring physical backup media to a friend’s house :)
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Hetzner has it’s cloud storage boxes and it’s pretty cheap and supports a lot of different backup solutions: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box/
A well placed encrypted backup on two separately located microSD cards (in case mice eat the other), located within a few hundred meters of your actual residence, should be beyond the ability of common goons (ICE, cops, impatient FBI agents) to locate. They’d have to engage in long-term surveillance.
If curious kids find one, it’s still encrypted and you still have the other, and curious kids won’t take your primary data carrier by raiding your house either. You just replace the backup then and put it elsewhere.
Where can I get a 4TB microSD with reasonable read/write speeds?
Even 1 TB is arduous. Don’t back up your movie collection, let the feds have it if they want. Back up your code, correspondence and encryption keys. :)
My NAS encrypts my Backups and transfers them to some hetzner webspace on a server in Sweden. For email and day to day cloud usage I use mailbox.org. They are from Germany and put a focus on privacy and security, yearly payments are no problem.
I would considering moving that data to Germany since they are trying to bypass an anti encryption law in Sweden
I know nothing about tech but couldn’t someone wiser than me create the ability to decentralize people’s information. Scattering bits around the world on personal servers. Similar to how the fediverse works. I don’t honestly know shit about this so maybe I’m talking out my ass.
cloud is ridiculous. just set up some mini servers with friends or family. rsync your stuff with them over wireguard every now and then. The cloud should absolutely never ever be trusted.
If they can get a warrant to steal your shit, they can steal shit from your friends and family if they can show that you have files on their property as well. All this will result in is your family members having all their computers stolen as well.
This is true. But they will have to send people out to get that drive and you will know about it. In the cloud, a government can take that data and the provider is forbidden from telling you.
- KDrive
- Proton Drive
- Nextcloud on Hetzner
- pCloud
Proton cloud is a good one.
Added context for the non-tech crowd to explain the downvotes. Proton checks all the boxes, EU based (swiss), good platform that is working towards being a unified google services replacemnt. For most people I do still recommend them, I quite like their software.
But for the socially concious nerd, their CEO put their foot in their mouth on the artist formerly known as twitter late last year, and that damaged their user bases trust in them (no policy changed, they just stated opinions that were very out of touch with their user base)
There is a lot of nuance to the issue, im glossing over a lot and I feel it gets blown out of proportions on Lemmy.
I have internxt , very rough compared to others but for long term storage it is good. Foss , encrypted and splitted.
Look at EU alternatives
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Amazing that the top comment is this crap spam sock puppet nonsense. Come on this account is 23 hours old. I get not wanting to support us companies, but the flood of brand new accounts posting stupid questions about it is ridiculous.
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In all seriousness these are the stories that have actually been reported, which means there are probably a lot more that have not been reported. Hope people start to rise up.
MSMS intentionally dont report certain news that are too critical of trump, they probably are sitting on a ton of reports like these, but selective to gear it towards for the sake of a republican that happens to watch the news.
I’m hoping too. Serious, concerning lack of retaliation or resistance fighting.
Some people haven’t experienced anything bad yet, so they don’t care. Some people realize that once the fighting starts we’re all fucked for the next few decades at minimum and for a few centuries worst-case. And some people are positively thrilled by what’s happening and are cheering everything on.
Hence why there’s no rioting, yet. I hope it’s coming, that we don’t just roll over like the Iranians and the Russians did for their autocrats, but I also fear that it is coming.
the tariffs hasnt hit most peoples stores yet, so its out of sight of mind. also because they think something will stop it down the line.
Mistakes do happen, there’s no need to overreact or blow things out of proportion.
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Go to hell you fascist piece of shit.
If I break into your house, force you into the street at gunpoint and steal everything of value, will you be happy with a “it was just a mistake, shit happens, get over it”? Grow some fucking empathy for fucks sake. It isn’t that fucking hard.
Is this sarcasm or are you a psychopath?
As much as I want to blame ICE agents for this, they’re really just pawns in a much greater scheme.
No, I will direct all my ire towards the ruling class and their families. They are the ones who are conditioning everyone else to hysterically chase ghosts as a distraction from their exploitation.
ICE wanted to do this. Plenty of other agencies have resisted Trump’s orders in court. In contrast, ICE was given permission to be the version of themselves they always wanted to be, and this is what it is.
Why did they want to do this, though?
There are certain types of cops who take the job because they get to do stuff like this. I personally don’t understand the mindset at all and I’m not going to try to explain it. It’s just very clear that they relish the opportunity to do it.
You know how police are regularly accused of having racial prejudice? The common joke is that you join ICE if you’re too racist to be a regular cop.
It’s not a joke tho.
They were just following orders, right?
Good ol’ Nuremberg defence.
There are some branches of government you can try and put that on, like soldiers who joined to “serve their country” and end up in a war in a country that they didn’t belong into, but ICE literally only does one thing like they have been worse lately but that’s because they can without consequences
I know. I’m trying to see things for what they are and acknowledge that a lot of people will end up joining ICE because of their conditioning by the ruling class to chase ghosts.
“It’s not the people getting rich off of exploiting me for why my life sucks, it’s those damned immigrants!”
The fact is that most cops are just bad people. No need to blame anybody else.
No need to feel sorry for “soldiers”. But I do feel bad for the brainwashed children exploited by the military.
We had police just following orders during WWII in France. This is not a proud moment of our history, we pardon but we do not forgive.
There’s plenty of ire to go around, in my book.
Every ICE agent that follows these orders is also to blame. These people are the foot soldiers of fascism.
So you’re saying if you ended up in this line of work, you’d just, “follow orders”?
No. I’m saying a good deal of the people choosing to do this have actually had that decision made for them without realizing it.
They’re adults, not fucking children, so how are they “having the decision made for them”? They could literally not comply at many points along the way.
Most people can’t think for themselves, child or not, and are just doing whatever they think will make them look good in front of their peers.
Hopefully I don’t have to write on essay on how the people who stand to profit from sowing this divide manipulate us into thinking we value things that we really shouldn’t.
“They’re NPCs” isn’t the defense you think it is.
Saying they’re NPCs is an oversimplification for silly memers like yourself.
What I said was the truth, whether you want to accept it or not.
Now, go off and do whatever you think will make you look good in front of your peers 👍
I legit can’t tell if you’re trolling or if you legitimately believe this asinine position you’re pushing.
It’s ICE bootlicker.
Don’t blame ice because of blank. Blame blank and blame ice. blame the tools as well as the fools.
Pawns don’t have to move.
“Don’t blame the SS. Just following orders. Blame the leadership!”
Well, they’re not entirely wrong. The participants should, of course, be accountable, but not exclusively the direct participants. After World War II, we did hold those leaders to account, which is a history lesson that Merrick Garland apparently missed.
steals their life savings
Everything new is a forgotten old, Wallenstein’s turn.
But yeah, more such stories, more rougher reactions.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years
I used to think anti gun people would face reality at some point. Then January 6th happened, and blue conservatives still wanted to disarm the people.
Even after repeatedly demonstrating they or the justice system will never defend us. We are on our own.
And yet, those who want easy access to guns argue its to protect themselves from tyrannical power. They are also not doing that. Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.
Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for ‘defense’, because it’s enjoying ownership that they’re actually defending.
Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.
So it’s better to let it grow more, right?
Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for ‘defense’, because it’s enjoying ownership that they’re actually defending.
That’s obvious, hard to do a lot of what you don’t enjoy if you can avoid it. Of course it’s theater. Most of the dialogue around karate is theater. It still somewhat prepares one physically for various events.
I wrote a Gemini (small web) client in the last 2 days, of course it’s theater, I don’t have a modus of using Gemini yet, but it was useful. At least I have a client convenient for me personally, I’ve gained some experience (ok, it’s a simple task, but), some self-confidence.
With guns - of course it’s mostly a very cool toy, people also do historical fencing with swords. But they also learn things about military history and something about using small arms. Better than nothing, sniper rifles still have a place in warfare, even if typical “assault rifles” are almost like a bayonet in WWII, still has uses, but very secondary.
Learning is the root of any achievement. Learning is helped by joy. Why should this be different for defense?
The agents had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant do not live in the house.
The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
Right house, but different residents.
What if you have your money in a safe? Are you obligated to open it? If they call a locksmith, hope the locksmith checks the address on the warrant?
Depends on the safe, but the people executing a search warrant, if it’s a proper search warrant, will either take the safe with them or stay there until it is opened. The locksmith is also (likely) going to be covered because he was acting at the direction of the police. That means he’s going to drill it, and probably won’t be looking at the search warrant as confirmation. A proper search warrant means you’re fucked unless the cops do something stupid, like looking in your cupboard when the search is for a cow.
It’s bogus how heinous the government can be over small crimes.
It should be illegal…
But with alternating between Republicans and neoliberals for 50 years, no one has ever actually put in serious effort to reign in police. Asset seizure is 100% legal and since they’re “charging” the money/property there’s no presumed innocence.
Biden didn’t fix policing, Obama didn’t, and under Clinton it got worse in large part due to a bill Biden wrote.
Obviously Republicans have been worse, but the point is shit doesn’t ever get better.
We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development
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Not to mention both Obama and Biden not only failed to abolish ICE, but had higher deportation numbers than Trump in his first term.
We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development
Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Ken Martin is out there trying to stop David Hogg from primarying incumbents.
Good, Hogg has no traction and never will win an election. He should be the last choice for the left.
Huh? He’s not running for election; he’s using his PAC to support young progressives primarying Dem incumbents in safe blue seats.
You said he was primarying incumbents, led me to believe he was running
The bigger issue is that you felt it necessary to comment via assumptions rather than even doing a cursory google search. Without knowing anything about charisma or policy you said he should be the last choice for the left? Do you think the incumbents are doing a good job?
No I don’t think incumbents are doing a good job, but I know David Hogg, his policy positions, and public outlook. He is not a good candidate in my opinion. I was surprised and thought he was running with the way he worded his comment.
I made it legal. It’s all like legal now. It’s so beautiful. No unnecessary things like due process.
The US GeStaPo does not care about illegal. For them, the only illegals are their targets.
Not any more
Biggest gang showing off their thuggery.
ICEholes in action
A lot of communities now have local organizations with armed volunteers ready to show up and stop ICE.
Try to look around for your local leftist orgs, if one isn’t already doing this then it’s probably coming soon or just one comment away from realizing it’s a good idea.
Find your local orgs, stay in contact, stay organized, and stay armed.
Not the family? Whatever! Take them anyway
-ICE
