The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.
“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.
Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.
Illegal search and seizure. Where’s the nra? The various groups that swore to uphold the constitution?
“Maria. Sounds Mexican, she deserves it probably.”
-NRA
Unironically enough for MAGAts to call for deportation.
Her name is Marisa.
You’re right! Idk why my brain deleted the S when I went to write it out, thanks!
Even Mexicaner
Fairly sure it’s Italian/Spanish actually. But, most republicans probably think of them as the same thing.
You know an awful lot about them foreigners.
I think you are one too.
Naah probably just one of them uppity college professors. I bet they don’t even like football.
They wish they had our Mediterranean good looks.
The NRA gave up their ‘jack-booted thugs’ rhetoric and started kissing Republican asses when Bush Jr. was president. Bush very publicly renounced his lifetime membership over LaPierre’s–very, very reasonable and measured–stance that the feds were shitty people. The NRA caved rather than continue to speak the obvious truth, and they’ve had a fetish for licking cop boots ever since.
They’re probably at a klan rally.
Definitely cant see any comparisons to the SS there 👍
some fucking gestapo shit
Why is ICE seizing anything outside of whoever they supposedly had a warrant for? Did the warrant say take all electronics and valuables as they are being used to hide/fund someone we don’t like, but the people that live their, yeah their fine let them be? Like what? How is this not just want to be terrorists fucking over people with impunity?
They have been doing shit like this for years anyway. The cops in some communities even outright stop countless vehicles coming out in order to 'seize drug money’and they end up taking any cash the person has without any evidence whatsoever. This is some Robin Hood villain shit.
Robin Hood was stealing from the rich to give to the poor, not robbing the poor for the rich.
“Robin Hood villain”
Robbin the hood
The sheriff was the villain in that story, close enough!
The cops have been the biggest thieves for a long time.
Civil asset forfeiture… It’s uh, it’s not great.
There’s a movie called Rebel Ridge in which this practice, and a corrupt police department, serve as the antagonists. It’s a very harsh movie but very vindicating conclusion.
Let’s call it what it is. State sponsored theft of civilians.
It’s piracy.
If it is piracy that is authorized by the government it’s called privateering.
Oh, okay, that’s much better.
It is so demoralizing to try and explain civil asset forfeiture. I’ve never had a single person believe that it’s real when I tell them about it - everybody insists that it can’t possibly be true since it’s so flagrantly unconstitutional.
“The court system in my country is so close-knit with the police that they have a policy of not charging cops with most of the crimes they might commit when on duty or requiring any proof of their statements in court.” Yeah it’s demoralizing but I don’t find it hard to explain because at a high level the issue isn’t complicated.
It’s “constitutional” because they’re accusing the “money” of being used illegally. There’s no actual person being accused here, but if you want to get your money back you’ll need to prove it’s innocence in court.
It’s ridiculous. At least the Institute for Justice has been winning court cases against this, but there’s still a long way to go: https://ij.org/issues/private-property/civil-forfeiture/
Edit: typo
John Oliver had a segment on this that may help convince people that it is real: https://youtu.be/3kEpZWGgJks
Same, most people assume I’m being a crazy person and I’m about to go off about some sovcit shit or “the moon is a NASA projector they lost control of in 1962!” Or something.
Why does ICE have jurisdiction to seize civil assets anyway? Does my cash need a fucking passport now?
The United States Government vs tree fiddy, the honorable OleWhitey Mcfash presiding.
The life savings were illegal immigrants?
/s , obviously
The real reason is probably civil asset forfeiture.
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof. Since then the majority of seizures, 84%, are civil most incidental to purposeless searches that turn up no crime. Many seizures are in fact under $1000 and most are under $2000. In theory you can get your money back but it often would cost thousands so for most victims its impossible to actually get money back without spending more.
Basically for decades the authorities have been acting as robbers and have collectively stolen billions from the people directly often stopping minorities for driving while black and treating the $400 in random bob’s wallet as proceeds of an imaginary crime they don’t need to substantiate. Being black and having $400 is enough.
Who is “we”? Please leave me out of this cult.
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof.
This is why it was so important to declare a “War on Drugs.” Most people thought it was just political rhetoric, but it was far more than that. By declaring a literal WAR on drugs, it offers the government an array of options that aren’t available in peacetime. One of those being the ability to alter the way suspects/combatants and their possessions/ weapons are treated. Money and valuables can be treated as a tool of drug dealing, and confiscated as spoils of war.
The war on drugs has only ever been rhetoric. It never literally gave anyone any additional powers because it is not in any way shape or form a declared war and has no legal meanings other than the ones you have completely fabricated in your alternate history.
Youre really misunderstanding what declaring an actual war is or is not. Technically the US has not been in an actual declared war since WWII.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress. The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
You cant declare formal war on drug use because drug use isnt a recognized sovereign country
Youre argument makes no sense, and is contradicted in each sentence.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress.
And yet, they were still wars, with lots of deaths of Americans. Clearly, those that are committed to fighting wars, don’t feel like they require the distinction of being legally declared wars by Congress.
The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
And yet many people have died, been imprisoned, and died as a result. Just try to tell people who are serving years or decades in prison that their sentences were just “political rhetoric,” and had “no actual legal bearing.”
Youre fundamentally confusing what “political rhetoric” is versus what a legal action is. Calling the war on drugs a war doesnt make it a war with any actual legal modifications for anything.
Calling the war on drugs a war is a political justification for the actions taken against drug use. Therefore, calling the war on drugs a war is not a legal thing. Its just political rhetoric.
I dont see how else to explain that for you
You keep saying that, but their actual actions contradict that.
Its like saying HitlerPig isn’t supposed to rule with Executive Actions, he needs to legislate through Congress, as Constitutionally-mandated, and yet here he is, doing it.
It doesn’t matter what the law says, if the result is the same. They framed the “War on Drugs” as political rhetoric to provide plausible deniability for enablers like you, when in reality, it was absolutely used as a justification to greatly militarize law enforcement, deny citizens (mostly minorities) their Constituional and Civil Rights, increase prison sentences, embrace civil forfeiture, etc. You accepted it as strong language to fight the drug scourge, but they used it as cover to supress our rights, in the name of drugs.
It worked so well, they used the same strategy again. In the 2000s, they used the threat of Terrorism to declare a War on Terror, and establish Homeland Security, and reduce our rights even more.
They were imprisoned by actual drug laws that have nothing to do with the usage of the word war.
You’re misunderstanding that you don’t need to declare an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. At any given time there are dozens of official federal emergencies, some of which have been in place for decades, allowing the White House to claim emergency powers.
You do need an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. There are declared emergencies other than war
How do you know they are even ICE. Not saying they aren’t agents, but there was an EO that basically repurposed a lot of other agencies to become ICE deputies. DEA, ATF, etc.
Heard in a podcast that 80% of ATF is now doing ice stuff.
Generally the search and seizure is for the property, not the people. That’s IF they bother with a warrant which apparently is a big ask these days.
How long before people start pretending to be ICE to basically break and enter into homes to rob people? Not like they can fight back, or even question things, or have due process, if someone in an ICE vest shows up at your door.
Is there anything morally different between pretending to be ICE to break into people’s homes to rob them and actually being ICE and breaking into people’s homes to rob them?
Being ICE is worse because the victims are more likely to be shot or deported by these goons. Regular burglary just wants your shit with none of that hassle.
Is there any evidence it hasn’t happened already? It’s not like they’d announce or even denounce it.
What do mean “how long”? It’s exactly what happened here?
No it isn’t, homeland security took responsibility.
Interesting how many just mindlessly upvoted it
People need to start breaking down the doors of the homes of rich white Republicans, accusing them of being illegal aliens, and claiming to be ICE. That’s when this will actually stop.
This has already been happening for several months: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html
ICE needs to be abolished. If they can’t do their job effectively and legally then they shouldn’t have jobs.
You really shouldn’t want them to be doing their jobs to any degree at all. Effective or otherwise.
The cruelty is the point. ICE is the refuge for assholes too racist even by normal Texas police standards.
The first item of the hiring rubrik for ICE is literally; “JERKS ONLY!”
ICE needs to be abolished.
If they can’t do their job effectively and legally thenthey shouldn’t have jobs.FTFY
then they shouldn’t have jobs.
for the rest of their lives. and no gov backed living either, they need to be forced to live under the bridge
Racism and ethnic cleansing are not “jobs” that should be done at all.
No shit. But immigration laws are important for good reason at the same time.
Yea it keeps people hating people simply born somewhere else and ensures class warfare amongst the population.
No, they’re mostly bullshit actually.
What good reasons?
Immigration laws exist to manage the flow of people into and out of a country, regulating who can enter, for what purpose, and for how long. These laws are based on principles like family reunification, providing humanitarian aid, and recognizing skilled workers who benefit the economy. Additionally, they serve to ensure national security and public safety.
Nice chatgpt reply
Gotta love how lazy people are that they can’t even argue their own point without asking a machine to make it for them.
I get tired of repeating myself
I think everyone here gets tired of you repeating yourself.
If you’ve said it before you could just copy and paste it
go back to reddit please. save us the pain of downvoting you
The solution to not repeating yourself is to stop talking, but you just love the attention whether negative or positive
Exactly how much arguing with people on Lemmy do you do that you find it too tiresome to do it yourself, but rather than just not engaging, you have a machine do it for you? Tbh, sounds like some shit a troll factory would do.
So they exist to solve problems that wouldn’t otherwise exist. Got it.
They exist because governments need to understand who the hell is in their borders for numerous reasons. If you don’t think that borders should exist… well then countries don’t exist… and so on…
This is paranoia not reality. The US has had very open boarders for a long long time, the boarder between Mexico and the US only had check points for commerce for most of my life until W started the fever dream that people moving across the boarder is going to get all the white women killed. This isn’t reality. There aren’t droves of Mexicans raping and killing white women, in fact, immigrants commit the least amount of crime out of any group of people in the US. This isn’t a problem if you aren’t a fucking racist paranoid idiot.
Countries should not exist, duh!
You can easily administrate a region without walling off that region
I’m going to disregard that first sentence because you’re explaining what they do, not giving good reasons for why they exist. In the second sentence, you indicated the principles that their existence is supposedly rooted in, but still fail to provide a good reason. Now, the third sentence: How do they ensure national security and public safety? Is there meaningful, demonstrable, or statistically significant evidence that this is the case, or are you taking it at face value to be the truth?
They need to be dissolved. In acid.
Their job is to cause terrorism they do it well
Biggest gang showing off their thuggery.
ICEholes in action
So you are saying that crooks could just type up fake ICE warrants and rob rich people?
Yup, just need a van with ICE on it, and someone to sneak in and hide that the fake ICE will find and now you also have a reason to take that rich person’s phone as “evidence” as well so they can’t contact anyone for help.
Heck, if it’s a particularly daring gang, they could then “arrest” said rich person, and get them to tell you the name of a fellow rich person they can contact to post “bail” for them by paying to a virtual bank, then transferring that money to foreign banks to them convert into a cryptocurrency, to get even more money.
I bet ICE would be reined in if rich conservatives got targeted…
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They were asleep
everyone needs to remember that if/when this is over, anyone who supported this or participated in it needs to be shunned for the rest of their lives.
No. They need to be convicted and held to account.
held to account
in mass graves
I’m on your side. Giver.
People who support this shit should be tarred and feathered.
shunned? they need to be imprisoned
Which is probably not going to happen. we could have a government of just democrats and they wouldn’t convict these people.
No, they need to be made examples of. There need to be mass Nuremberg trials, no Nazis left alone, no scientists spared, no business deals.
No mercy.
Imprisoned? They need to bee branded.
The agents had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant do not live in the house.
The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
Right house, but different residents.
What if you have your money in a safe? Are you obligated to open it? If they call a locksmith, hope the locksmith checks the address on the warrant?
Depends on the safe, but the people executing a search warrant, if it’s a proper search warrant, will either take the safe with them or stay there until it is opened. The locksmith is also (likely) going to be covered because he was acting at the direction of the police. That means he’s going to drill it, and probably won’t be looking at the search warrant as confirmation. A proper search warrant means you’re fucked unless the cops do something stupid, like looking in your cupboard when the search is for a cow.
It’s bogus how heinous the government can be over small crimes.
It should be illegal…
But with alternating between Republicans and neoliberals for 50 years, no one has ever actually put in serious effort to reign in police. Asset seizure is 100% legal and since they’re “charging” the money/property there’s no presumed innocence.
Biden didn’t fix policing, Obama didn’t, and under Clinton it got worse in large part due to a bill Biden wrote.
Obviously Republicans have been worse, but the point is shit doesn’t ever get better.
We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development
Quick edit:
This meant to be a reply to someone else, but something weird is happening
Not to mention both Obama and Biden not only failed to abolish ICE, but had higher deportation numbers than Trump in his first term.
We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development
Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Ken Martin is out there trying to stop David Hogg from primarying incumbents.
Good, Hogg has no traction and never will win an election. He should be the last choice for the left.
Huh? He’s not running for election; he’s using his PAC to support young progressives primarying Dem incumbents in safe blue seats.
You said he was primarying incumbents, led me to believe he was running
The bigger issue is that you felt it necessary to comment via assumptions rather than even doing a cursory google search. Without knowing anything about charisma or policy you said he should be the last choice for the left? Do you think the incumbents are doing a good job?
No I don’t think incumbents are doing a good job, but I know David Hogg, his policy positions, and public outlook. He is not a good candidate in my opinion. I was surprised and thought he was running with the way he worded his comment.
Not any more
I made it legal. It’s all like legal now. It’s so beautiful. No unnecessary things like due process.
The US GeStaPo does not care about illegal. For them, the only illegals are their targets.
“We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
sounds like face eating.
Lib fash happy to see any perceived “enemy” attacked.
I bet they didn’t even vote for kamalacaust!!! \s
It shouldn’t be important, but do we know their race? I read the article, but I may have missed it. I am assuming they are Hispanic.
The video states the names are pseudonymous. So the answer would be, no.
I’m guessing from the accent in her interview, yes. But the victims are anonymous.
Why in the hell would one move to a shitty red run welfare state? ICE is the neo Gestapo or NKVD.
