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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)
when your skulls are both packed solid with wet cat food
I’d swear I’ve seen that exact same “realization” from Aella before, when she posted something like “I got really into tradcath practices for [the writer’s barely disguised fetish] reasons, and now I’m shocked that they really actually do hate sex work.”
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ok what the FUCK is goin on with the neo-trads? I was just over here enjoying this free life, individualism, subversive, unwoke cultural movement and I thought everybody was on board but suddenly BAM we’ve got a a bunch of them spawning into sex-negative tradcaths or whatever […] i’m just sad cause i thought this section of culture were my allies. we both were like ‘leave me alone, authoritarian government/culture’, and were appropriately skeptical of novel identity movements, willing to say the weirdo things.
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“Oh well, time to learn absolutely nothing from this and continue to be terrible people,” said Grimes and Aella mentally, and unbeknownst to them, because they each have one brain cell quantum-entangled* with the other’s, simultaneously
*I finished the three body problem trilogy recently! Where do I sign up for the ETO
aww, look at the little collaborators trying to pretend they both got duped instead of both having been active and enthusiastic enablers
b-but i thought they hated women rationally
Hackernews woke up feeling like fascism ( make sure to enable dead + flagged comments if you hate yourself):
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42905937
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42897696
(Two comment threads about the CDC purging “woke” research, the comments are bad even by HN standards)
Gee given a forum full of hackers you’d expect them to be against arbitrary removal of scientific studies. What happened to “information wants to be free”?
Bonus US terribleness: the NTSB suddenly thinks Twitter* is the bee’s knees and way better than email! What coincidental timing https://xcancel.com/NTSB_Newsroom/status/1885734974298435943
Also I know I know, more US politics. It turns out silicon valley fascists have gained power so expect this to keep happening for the forseeable future 🙃.
These past two weeks have made me very uncomfortable working in Silicon Valley, I know last time I said I was planning to get out; but now it feels urgent both for my own well being, and to stop contributing to this industry. In trans communities we immediately saw coupy stuff** for the attempted transgender genocide that it is, the wider public and media is waking up to this very slowly.
* An account-only platform that sometimes bans US citizens for being cool.
** If there’s interest I could try turning all of this into a top level post on morewrite or techtakes. I’ve been trying to avoid inundating people with US politics, but it’s extremely bad. Like constitutional crisis, rise of techno-fascism, dismantling of the administrative state, transgender extermination, put career roadblocks in front of minorities bad.
I’ve been trying to avoid inundating people with US politics, but it’s extremely bad. Like constitutional crisis, rise of techno-fascism, dismantling of the administrative state, transgender extermination, put career roadblocks in front of minorities bad.
I posted this on masto just before reading this
https://mathstodon.xyz/@sc_griffith/113935375805048449
and honestly reading what you wrote here, I’m tearing up. the constant downplaying for almost a decade has really worn me down, and it’s getting worse and worse. that I see more and more people plainly describing the situation is so cathartic, such a relief
An account-only platform that sometimes bans US citizens for being cool
Not just that, but a site that, if you are bot logged in shows an accounts posts not chronologically, but most popular first. Making it totally incapable to be used as a gov communication platform. Imagine looking at a gov storm warning system for your area and seeing the list of most virally named storms first, and nothing about how you should evacuate right now.
Amd yes it is quite horrible that the usa is in the book burning and building (more) concentration camps stages of the gearing up for genocide stages. Up next, taking away passports (which they are already not issuing anymore) and any guns (not that these help, historically speaking, iirc the Jewish people had guns in Germany at first).
Not clicking those HN links, decided years ago already that site should not be part of my life anymore at all. The few times I have deviated from that rule since, I regretted it.
As for the more general topic, I feel so bad for all trans people with everything that is unfolding. It’s horrible. But be assured that there are many peope in this world who are on your side on this. Wish I could say something more useful, but I’m at a loss of words.
I’ve been trying to avoid inundating people with US politics, but it’s extremely bad. Like constitutional crisis, rise of techno-fascism, dismantling of the administrative state, transgender extermination, put career roadblocks in front of minorities bad.
yep. haven’t been posting about it here because not sure where here we’d put it (while a lot of it is well within the orbit of regular content and posters) and it’s not quite entirely anything I can do anything about but offer words of comfort and keeping watch on the nasty shit, but been speaking a lot with friends in places (signal generally, or some other spaces we actually control (i.e. not discord, etc))
I feel moderately confident that at least for a bit of the foreseeable future we’ll be okay this side of the world, but I also know enough history and context to know how vacuous that is by itself. these fuckers won’t stop.
I also wish I could just make people understand that none of this is by mistake, none of this is these fuckers just finding some shit they disagree with under the seat cushions. I wish I could make them understand the depth and extent of planning and preparation that went into this, the sheer commitment behind it all. but too often such concerns would all be received as this toot put it
there’s so much more I could say but I guess I’ll leave it there for now
I also wish I could just make people understand that none of this is by mistake
I keep seeing US people go “a lot of Trumps plans were stopped at rhe courts last time”, and I keep worrying this is people fighting the last war again, not realizing that the opposition are active intelligent (as in baseline human beings not as in high IQ) people who prob are not going to be stopped by the same things as last time. Dont worry the Maginot line will stop them from invading too fast, cant get through the Ardennes sort of thinking if that makes sense.
While companies seem to be betting on anti discrimination laws being gone (why else take the legal risk of shuttering dei programs). (I have written reactions like this before and often deleted it because it feels just too doomer, but it keeps coming back to me).
I saw (via Stross) a mention that passport issuance was already starting to hit weirdness too
e: this one
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sT5MX8jK9tHiBM5NK/re-taste
A random walk, in retrospect, looks like like directional movement at a speed of √n.
No it doesn’t, you fools, you absolute rubes
If you consider your normative values to be true, then everything looks like progress.
wat
Scott Alexander was a founding though-leader behind the Lightcone salon.
Your future region of the spacetime diagram is inside a locker, nerd
My understanding was that 21st-century psychiatrists didn’t speak Baseline nor thought that precisely
Ah a dystopian story. (Not sure if it is intended as much bte, but for me ‘ha the past was foolish, as we now have a perfect way of talking/thinking that uses math! (No you are not allowed to see it dear reader)’ is quite dystopian coded. Prob why I read Starship Troopers not as it was intended. (E: and yes prob the intention here, in this science fiction story which hypes up the writings of Scott)
Aaaah my eyes
The Great City was built on a modular grid system designed to eliminate geography.
This future doesn’t have hexagon city so I already hate it. Hexagons are the bestagons.
At the risk of sounding hyperbolic, if he wanted to transcend geography then he would have used heptagons!
I mean, we tried the whole “fuck yeah grids fuck local geography” thing. That was fucking Le Corbusier and friends’ whole deal. And it created dead cities and/or places in cities that people hated to live in.
Hexagons are great, would love to see some hexagon based city plans. Especially if they have designed for walkability and public transport!
Heck yeah walkability!
Also note how the author said the city transcends geography, as if geography was something useless or to be overcome by an advanced civilization (except for a bunch of artsy folks tucked away in a corner I guess?). But humans need variety. I would get so antsy if I lived in a perfect grid city with nothing out of order (or even a perfect hexagon city, no offense hexagons). There need to be paths and trails and rivers. There need to be trees and mountains in the distance.
Yeah weird thing to eliminate from a city, or weird thing to see without context. Basically: Wrongers try and envision a better world without deleting the parts of human experience that make it meaningful or worthwhile challenge (impossible)
To be fair, im not sure how much the story intends it to be a positive development. (But considering the dada reference by the author in the comments, not sure how much is intentional at all, the whole story feels like it is retreading very tired themes in the intentional parts).
But think of how high the number can go!
The ideal wronger future after all is a simulation where human experience is deleted altogether!
https://xcancel.com/tsarnick/status/1882927003508359242
Eliezer Yudkowsky says he would like to be a post-human some day, but the way to get there is by experimenting on augmenting biological intelligence through adult gene therapy targeting the human brain with suicide volunteers who may end up schizophrenic rather than taking a “leap of death” into unconstrained AI development
(found via flipping through LW for sneerable posts/comments)
Am I reading this right? Is he suggesting doing experiments on the suicidally depressed?
L. Ron Hubbard says new “high-voltage” e-meters set to enter testing with Sea Org volunteers, possibly capable of purging body thetans at an unlimited rate
Some light uplifting news amid *gestures at everything*. I saw this a minute ago from the guy who runs TheCodingHorror and co-founded Stack Overflow and Discourse: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ifd3ys/im_giving_away_half_my_wealth_to_make_the/
No EA stuff! $1M each going to eight great charities and non-profits as far as I can tell: Children’s Hunger Fund, First Generation Investors, Global Refuge, NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, PEN America, The Trevor Project, Planned Parenthood, and Team Rubicon. (from The Trevor Project’s blog post)
Project Gutenberg has AI generated summaries?? How the mighty have fallen.
I was researching a bizarre old sci-fi book I once read (don’t judge; bad old sci-fi is a trip), and Gutenberg’s summary claims it was written in the 21st century. There’s actually no accurate information about this book online, as far as I can tell the earliest reference is Project Gutenberg typing it up into a text file in 2003.
Given that it’s in the public domain, no one has any idea where it came from, and it has old sci-fi vibes; I strongly suspect it was written in the 20th century*; making that misinformation. It’s also just a bad summary that, while not wrong, doesn’t really reflect the (amusingly weird) themes of the book.
Anyway someone needs to tell them that no information is leagues better than misinformation.
* maybe the '70s give or take but I’m not a professional date guesser
Is there anything written up anywhere about these AI book summaries? I know they were doing “AI” audiobooks.
(After sleeping on it it’s possible the book I was thinking of was written in the earliest 21st century).
There was an announcement on their mailing list here: https://lists.pglaf.org/archives/list/gmonthly@lists.pglaf.org/thread/MTHHI3TD7YXD3EHLKVBBA57KRBBWRI72/
We then worked with the same programmers [as AI generated categories] to provide automated summaries of nearly every book in the collection. You can find those summaries on book landing pages. These summaries are intended to be helpful for people trying to decide what book to read, or to get an idea of what a book is about.
For example, here is the automated summary from book #1, the US Declaration of Independence (https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1): […]
If you spot errors in summaries, let us know. Summaries of most books are based only on the first 12,000 characters, because the costs would have been too high for if we included all of every book.
We have also been corresponding with another programmer seeking to instruct AI technologies to “read” books from Project Gutenberg, summarize them, and answer questions about them. We hope this might be described further in a future newsletter.
Based off Wayback Machine poking around it looks like they were added sometime between September 20th to October 1st.
It definitely has that old sci-fi weirdness to it, but the earliest edition I’m seeing on goodreads was in '03.
The file metadata of the oldest copy on the gutenberg webserver says 2003 – and the document itself says Gutenberg created it in 2003 and published it in 2005 (whatever that means, maybe they were delaying ebook releases to ensure a steady stream)
Anyway this 2003 copy had their public domain boilerplate; it was described as a book in the public domain.
There are indeed a lot of websites about this, but none with any more information that Project Gutenberg so I’m guessing they all trace back to the Gutenberg release. Probably you’d have to find some physical information about it in an actual library to trace it further.
But I’m not like a professional book researcher or anything, that’s just my opinion!
That is indeed troubling, casts a shadow on Project Gutenberg’s judgement. Now I wonder how long until Wikipedia falls too :( Gosh, I miss being excited about new tech. Now new tech is just making things worse.
About that book, so it is more “good bad” instead of “bad bad”? Maybe I’ll take a look, some light/weird reading might be better than doomscrolling (and these days there’s so much doom to scroll).
I don’t remember (reading it was a bit like a fever dream) but there’s a non-zero chance it has racist vibes in parts you have been warned.
But oh so quotable:
We have been treating the trees on a ten mile radius with an anti-flammatory solution for several years as well, and it is quite impossible to set them on fire.
I myself have a collection of dutch science fiction from the 70s (doubt any of it was ever translated) and wow does it get wild at times. At least that is what I remembered from reading it when younger (the books came from my parents), the thing i remember the most was about a dude having some weird sexual relation with a spider alien. (Out of wtf factor, not out of “this awakened something” factor, not that there is something wrong with that, just eurgh spiders). Often thought about that story in relation to the puppies saying they wanted to go back to their imagined past science fiction. Bunch of reactionaries
Okay thanks for the heads-up, I will give it a try. The “Note to the reader” it starts with is already pretty wild… (unless that’s just part of the fiction. Edit: I assume it’s part of the fiction)
Edit: okay… a few pages in, I don’t think I can do this… not my thing.
Ick.
Days since tech bro tried to reinvent religion so they could javascript faster: 0. We have sold the 1 sign and donated the money.
on a side note I found out what “agile” is a few months ago and I think I’d rather go back to working retail than do the little morning circlejerk thing. dehumanizing
Rituals can be good, but yeah, agile standup meetings are not the good kind. Luckily I don’t have them daily… several times a week is already draining enough. If they were daily, I would just burn out. And the standups are IMO not even the worst part of agile…
deepseek goes wild https://www.reddit.com/r/mathmemes/comments/1iehx5f/what_the_fuck/
I have to keep reminding myself that this is the technology that they all claim will soon do all our work, our arts, our science, everything.
oh well done, you’ve gone and made logorrhea a feature
these chatbots are billed by token, so it only makes sense
73 might be overrepresented because it’s used by radioamateurs as a signoff. you can see it in old forums in comment footers as 73 [callsign]
you’d think that $200+ entertainment would be better
@dgerard @blakestacey like that Looney Tunes bit of cutting down an entire tree to make a single toothpick
People have worked out how to cram DeepSeek onto a Raspberry Pi
Anyways, here’s a quasi-related sidenote:
Part of me suspects DeepSeek is gonna quickly carve out a good chunk of the market for itself - for SaaS services looking for spicy autocomplete or a slop generator to bolt on to their products, DeepSeek’s high efficiency gives them a way to do it that doesn’t immediately blow a massive hole in their finances.
Oh no it’s more US politics.
So as part of the ongoing administrative coup; federal employees have been receiving stupid emails from what everyone assumes is Elon Musk (since it’s the exact same playbook as the twitter firings). But they apparently royally flubbed up NOAA’s email security in the process so the employees are getting constant spam through an unsecured broadcast address.
Finally a thing Musk prob did all by himself, after the printout your code thing I assume his technical knowledge is firmly stuck in 1999.
Getting pretty tired of new coworker spruiking copilot all the time, please send me your sympathy and energy so I can weather this trial
You have my sympathy! Is the worst part that you have to review the slop or its general presence at all?
Asking because at my workplace it will be allowed soon, and some coworkers are unfortunately looking forward to it, and I’m horrified, especially by the thought of having to do code review then…
It’s more the latter. I can’t really stop anyone from using it, and playing the game of “can you tell if this snippet of code was LLMed” is a fools errand, so I have to choose to ignore that part of it. Testing de-risks bad code, but there is never enough testing… well, there’s only so much I can do within my pay grade.
I’ve since asked this person to stop talking about their copilot usage, so this issue has been resolved, for now.
I have added your coworker to the list of people I will imagine being tortured in the future. Im no robotgod but it is the best I can do.
that word temporarily broke me (its constituent phonemes are all valid/typical afrikaans (and dutch) but the word itself made no sense), then I looked it up
that sounds exhausting. I wish to flippantly suggest launching your colleague to another planet, but cruel fate might reveal them to be a muskovian martian so perhaps best not to broach that subject…
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lol holy shit this just came into reddit sneerclub (and was zapped immediately)
user HardboiledHack
also tried r/lesswrong and r/slatestarcodex
i’m sure the guardian can be trusted to report on anything involving trans people
the journalist is J Oliver Conroy https://www.theguardian.com/profile/j-oliver-conroy who now writes for the Washington Examiner and used to write for Quillette (the article has been deleted from the site) https://archive.is/aSBjW
from http://joliverconroy.net/
I am a journalist who specializes in features and profiles. I write about the American right, ideologues, intellectuals, extremist movements, the culture wars, true crime, and strange events and strange places.
by “about”, he means “for”
I’m a journalist at the Guardian working on a piece about the Zizians. If you have encountered members of the group or had interactions with them, or know people who have, please contact me: oliver.conroy@theguardian.com.
I’m also interested in chatting with people who can talk about the Zizians’ beliefs and where they fit (or did not fit) in the rationalist/EA/risk community.
I prefer to talk to people on the record but if you prefer to be anonymous/speak on background/etc. that can possibly be arranged.
Thanks very much.
i’ve also warned over at the old place
Do the Zizians fit in the “rationalist/EA/risk community”? Gosh and golly gee.
Yuddites and Zizians are a better example of the “narcissism of small differences” than any of the ones that Siskind propped up.
From what I’ve been able to piece together from the various theological disputes people have had with the murder cult it seems like the only two differences are that Ziz and friends are much more committed to nonhuman animal welfare than the average rat and that they have decided that the correct approach to conflict is always to escalate. This makes them more aggressive about basically everything which looks like a much deeper ideological gap than there actually is. I’m not going to evaluate whether these are reasonable conclusions to take from the same bizarre set of premises that lead to Roko’s Basilisk being a concern.
However, I do think that the unfolding of this story presents an object lesson in why “always escalate to the max” is a wildly stupid idea. It turns out that even when you have guns (metaphorical or otherwise) and a complete disregard for the consequences of failure the average group of citizens is still at a decided disadvantage to the state at higher points on the escalation ladder.
You misunderstand, they escalate to the max to keep themselves (including selves in parallel dimensions or far future simulations) from being blackmailed by future super intelligent beings, not to survive shootouts with border patrol agents.
I am fairly certain Yud had said something very close to that effect in reference to preventing blackmail from the basilisk, even though he tries to no-true-scotchman zizians wrt his functional decision ‘theory’ these days.
No nibbles here.
