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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
From linkedin, not normally known as a source of anti-ai takes so that’s a nice change. I found it via bluesky so I can’t say anything about its provenance:
We keep hearing that AI will soon replace software engineers, but we’re forgetting that it can already replace existing jobs… and one in particular.
The average Founder CEO.
Before you walk away in disbelief, look at what LLMs are already capable of doing today:
- They use eloquence as a surrogate for knowledge, and most people, including seasoned investors, fall for it.
- They regurgitate material they read somewhere online without really understanding its meaning.
- They fabricate numbers that have no ground in reality, but sound aligned with the overall narrative they’re trying to sell you.
- They are heavily influenced by the last conversations they had.
- They contradict themselves, pretending they aren’t.
- They politely apologize for their mistakes, but don’t take any real steps to fix the underlying problem that caused them in the first place.
- They tend to forget what they told you last week, or even one hour ago, and do it in a way that makes you doubt your own recall of events.
- They are victims of the Dunning–Kruger effect, and they believe they know a lot more about the job of people interacting with them than they actually do.
- They can make pretty slides in high volumes.
- They’re very good at consuming resources, but not as good at turning a profit.
@rook @BlueMonday1984 I don’t believe LLMs will replace programmers. When I code, I dive into it, and I fall into this beautiful world of abstract ideas that I can turn into something cool. LLMs can’t do that. They lack imagination and passion. Thats part of why lisp is turning into my favorite language. LLMs can’t do lisp very well because everyone has a unique system image with macros they’ve written. Lisp let’s you make DSLs Soo easily as though everyone has their own dialect.
Couple of days late but when your ideology is so pure, you can’t connect The Thing to The Consequences of The Thing. The solution? Monetize the rot!
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That Michael Kove guy is one un-self-aware twat. Apparently all millennials work in high paying tech jobs.
Gonna copy this in because there’s a lot to unpack, and I don’t want to do it alone.
Text of the Thielmail in that first tweet:
From: Peter Thiel Date: Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 2:44 AM To: Mark Zuckerberg, Nick Clegg, Antonio Lucio Cc: Sheryl Sandberg, Marc Andreessen Subject: RE: Milennials There are many themes that could be developed more here; let me make a few quick points for now: Nick -- I certainly would not suggest that our policy should be to embrace Millennial attitudes unreflectively. I would be the last person to advocate for socialism. But when 70% of Millennials say they are pro-socialist, we need to do better than simply dismiss them by saying that they are stupid or entitled or brainwashed; we should try and understand why. And, from the perspective of a broken generational compact, there seems to be a pretty straightforward answer to me, namely, that when one has too much student debt or if housing is too unaffordable, then one will have negative capital for a long time and/or find it very hard to start accumulating capital in the form of real estate; and if one has no stake in the capitalist system, then one may well turn against it.- Part of me wishes that the font were just a little bigger. This way, the word wrap would come to 10 syllables a line, and we could pretend this was a lost Shakespeare monologue.
- I’m almost disappointed by this. Thiel, suggesting that it might not, in fact, be the children that are wrong? Where’s your ideological purity, Thiel? Didn’t know you started reading r/GenZedong.
- Also, it’s Peter fucking Thiel lecturing Nick fucking Clegg, former leader of the lib dems in the UK, on paying lip service to socialist policy in order to stymie any real societal progress???
Not gonna lie got a bit jump scared by woke Peter Thiel here. Of course I’m pretty sure his actual solution involves giving young people houses confiscated from those perfidious brown people of one stripe or another. The problem can’t be an inherent injustice in a system that allows for both Peters Thiel and (insert your favorite broke person here) to exist in the same market.
The replies are a long sequence of different stupid takes… someone recommending cryptocurrency to build wealth, blaming millennials for not investing in homes, a reply literally blaming too much spending on starbucks, blaming millennials overreacting to the 2008 crisis by not buying homes, blaming millennials being socialists, blaming millennials going to college, blaming millennials for not making the big bucks in tech. About 1 in 10 replies point out the real causes: wages have not grown with costs or with real productivity and capitalism in general favors people holding assets and offering loans over people that have to borrow and rent.
“The millenials were so well paid in tech jobs during the boom that they nevered bothered to invest in homes” is … a take
A whole generation is leaning more socialist because homeownership is unattainable and student debt is crushing. The solution is whatever is the latest big tech fad.
Just like all of gen X’s problems would have been solved with more .com, right?
which reminds me, I’ve wanted to post this as a NASB
I’m a Millenial (even if I think these labels are dumb) and I find these kinds of things fascinating. Esp when they describe things I do not recognize in any way in my peers, re them talking about the causes of people disliking capitalism. Sure I’m in a more progressive/leftwing bubble (of which I’m prob the most extreme nowadays in various ways), but I know a lot of people who are looking into buying houses/have bought houses who still are not fans of musk/tesla etc. Seems like they forget people can have principles, and just look at a simplistic view of ‘material conditions’ (I hope people paid attention to the recent bsky shit on what this actually means in historical context). Flashbacks to r/ssc talking about ‘leftwing polticians not thinking about X’ while the leftwing politicans I knew irl were actively talking about it. Feels very like im looking at an alternative world. (Prob also quite true as im Dutch, and this is about the US (with right wing fan fave Poland having a honorable mention)).
Do think it is amusing Millenials get blamed for everything still. The punching bag generation. Poor Gen Z, for which this is now starting up.
I will never forget a conversation in High School where our resident young conservative sneered about how “sure $Welfare_Program sound nice, but you’ll be paying for it with your taxes” and we all responded with some variant of “I mean, yeah? That’s how that works, isn’t it?”
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A tweet from ‘Mike’: “Bernie Sanders should be forced to give away 90% of his birthday cake #HappyBirthdayBernie”
These people probably think Karl Marx is Satan, but my god at least he was able to understand and respect Adam Smith better than whoever’s trying to magick wealth out of this absolute idiot soup! Looks like capitalism the ideology is just as unsustainable as capitalism the economic system.
Huh, I had missed the part in 2020 when Peter Thiel just flat out stated outright that it only makes sense to be in favour of capitalism if you’re a capital owner.
the shunning is working guys
“Kicked out of a … group chat” is a peculiar definition of “offline consequences”.
“The first time I ever suffered offline consequences for a social media post”- Hey Gang, I think I found the problem!
I have no idea where he stood on the bullshit bad faith free speech debate from the past decade, but this would be funny if he was an anti cancel culture guy. More things, weird bubble he lives in if the other things didn’t get pushed back, and support for the pro trans (and pro Palestine) movements. He is right on the immigration bit however, the dems should move more left on the subject. Also ‘Blutarsky’ and I worried my references are dated, that is older than I am.
he’s a centrist econ blogger who’s been getting into light race science
yeah I tried looking up his writings on the subject but substack was down. Counted that as a win and stopped looking.
I’m a centrist. I think we should aim for the halfway point between basic human decency and hateful cruelty. I’m also willing to move towards the hateful cruelty to appease the right, because I’m a moderate.
And he is brave enough to say that:
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There is a sensible compromise somewhere between the Biden/Harris immigration bill that would have got rid of due process for suspected illegal immigrants and the Trump policy of just throwing dark people into vans for shipment to slave labour camps.
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Genocide is just sensible bipartisanship.
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Trans people are not people.
Much centrist, much sensible. Much surprise he is getting into race science. It the centre (defined as the middle ground of Attila and Mussolini) moves, the principled centrist must move with it.
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Here’s a pretty good sneer at the writing out of LLMs, with a focus on meaning https://www.experimental-history.com/p/28-slightly-rude-notes-on-writing
Maybe that’s my problem with AI-generated prose: it doesn’t mean anything because it didn’t cost the computer anything. When a human produces words, it signifies something. When a computer produces words, it only signifies the content of its training corpus and the tuning of its parameters.
Also, on people:
I see tons of essays called something like “On X” or “In Praise of Y” or “Meditations on Z,” and I always assume they’re under-baked. That’s a topic, not a take.
Warning: you might regret reading this screenshot of elno posting a screenshot.
oh noooo no no no
…but that brings me back to questions about “what does interaction with LLM chatbots do to human brains”.
During my expirementation with some of these self hosted llms, I was attempting some jailbreaks and other things and thought would this be any good at ERP?
Only if youve never been with another human being.
Ah yes, three of the worst people alive today talking about how objects are indistinguishable from women.
Isnt trueanonpod a satire account? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueAnon def some too close to the sun satire here.
Oh! Wasn’t aware of that podcast. Yeah, could be!
Their twitter account is really odd though and im not 100% sure they are trolling still.
Yeah I never trusted them, from the vibes I’ve got they’re definitely buying into all sorts of conspiracy bullshit. I don’t think the tweet is in good faith obviously, but I associate this sort of socalled “schizoposting” with cryptofascists.
Yeah lot of people are fully into they are just trolling. But I have seen that go bad so often (chapo, redscare, vaush, for a few obvious examples) im very much not trusting them to not turn out to be bad. Esp when it is their ‘job’ to do this. Quite easy to throw a few minorities under the bus for clout. And actively making people crazier/spreading misinformation like this is not great imho.
(E: that I could easily create a list of accounts who I think fall on this spectrum, who still have a lot of followers also isnt great).
I don’t want to see grummz anywhere near AI ERP discourse.
…I should have listened to the warning.
Horrible “rubberhosing” of cryptocurrency people continues. Guardian article, content warning, bit extremer than a rubber hose.
In terms of depreciating assets, an AI data center is worse than a boat.
In terms of actually being useful, an AI data center is also worse than a boat.
AI data centers brought some ratty bloggers into their five minutes of fame, while a boat only brought Ziz &co from Alaska to SFBA
In terms of sailing the high seas, an AI data center is worse than a boat too.
An morewronger discusses the “points system” implemented by the Ukrainian armed forces where soldiers can spend points earned by destroying Russian targets on new drone hardware
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sJpwvYsC5tJis8onw/the-ukraine-war-and-the-kill-market
Lots of wittering about markets and Gotthards law, but what struck me was
Now, this is clearly a repugnant market. Repugnant market is a market where some people would like to engage in it and other people think they shouldn’t. (Think market in human kidneys. Or prostitution. Or the market in abortions. […])
(my emphasis)
What “market in abortion”, motherfucker???
Ah yes the centrist grey/gray tribe. “Prostitution”(ow look a shibboleth, see also “sex work”), and “abortion markets”(??) vs kidney markets.
Im reminded of Jordan Peterson once dropping without a hint of self awareness, that conservatives have a higher disgust response.
Now, this is clearly a repugnant market. Repugnant market is a market where some people would like to engage in it and other people think they shouldn’t. (Think market in human kidneys. Or prostitution. Or the market in abortions. […])i consent/i consent/ i don’t!!
lol who asked them? stop the presses, homegrown techbro has an Opinion! also when you use up drones it’s only natural that you’ll need new ones. even observation drones go down all the time, and rewarding certain targets is just making sure that drones don’t get blown up on stupid shit, so this is government specifically incentivizing what would be most important targets to them, on top of regular rules of engagement and more specific orders. this one seems to be meant as supplementary program that also, or even primarily, makes nice videos for propaganda
Introducing a market system, on the other hand, allows the lower-level units to take calculated risks. Destroy that many enemy units and you can buy, say, an armored vehicle, that improves your safety. Friction gets greatly reduced.
these are drones for drone kills, nothing else. biggest thing i’ve seen is that some units get donations from their drone videos, and used these to get a car or jammer or more drones, but never APC or anything like that, it’s too big deal and too expensive, and drone operator is unlikely to benefit from APC anyway
No side gets an advantage when both sides use it. Then there’s no point in using it in the first place.
wtf? if using a thing gives you advantage over not using a thing, then you use it, if both sides are using a thing then it’s just red queen race. lots of current war looks like it even if frontlines are static
But markets, unlike, say, chemical weapons, are not directly visible on the battlefield. Each side would suspect the other of using them despite the ban and might try to secretly use them as well.
and this changes what exactly? all it will cause is slight preference in targeting because there’s only so many drones to be given out, and drone operator has to do the everything else part of their job. dogshit reasoning
isn’t this the same crowd that like prediction markets and assassination markets
Yeah they are normally all over anything with the word “market” in it, with an almost religious like belief in market’s ability to solve things.
My suspicion is that the writer has picked up some anti-Ukrainian sentiment from the US right wing (which in order to rationalize and justify Trump’s constant sucking up to Putin has looked for any and every angle to tear Ukraine down). And this anti-Ukrainian sentiment has somehow trumped their worship of markets… Checking back through their posting history to try to discern their exact political alignment… it’s hard to say, they’ve got the Scott Alexander thing going on where they use disconnected historical examples crossed with a bad analogies crossed with misappropriated terms from philosophy to make points that you can’t follow unless you already know their real intended context. So idk.
Update on the University of Zurich’s AI experiment: Reddit’s considering legal action against the researchers behind it.
apparently this got past IRB, was supposed to be a part of doctorate level work and now they don’t want to be named or publish that thing. what a shitshow from start to finish, and all for nothing. no way these were actual social scientists, i bet this is highly advanced software engineer syndrome in action
This is completely orthogonal to your point, but I expect the public’s gonna have a much lower opinion of software engineers after this bubble bursts, for a few reasons:
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Right off the bat, they’re gonna have to deal with some severe guilt-by-association. AI has become an inescapable part of the Internet, if not modern life as a whole, and the average experience of dealing with anything AI related has been annoying at best and profoundly negative at worst. Combined with the tech industry going all-in on AI, I can see the entire field of software engineering getting some serious “AI bro” stench all over it.
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The slop-nami has unleashed a torrent of low-grade garbage on the 'Net, whether it be zero-effort “AI art” or paragraphs of low-quality SEO optimised trash, whilst the gen-AI systems responsible for both have received breathless hype/praise from AI bros and tech journos (e.g. Sam Altman’s Ai-generated “metafiction”). Combined with the continous and ongoing theft of artist’s work that made this possible, and the public is given a strong reason to view software engineers as generally incapable of understanding art, if not outright hostile to art and artists as a whole.
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Of course, the massive and ongoing theft of other people’s work to make the gen-AI systems behind said slop-nami possible have likely given people reason to view software engineers as entirely okay with stealing other’s work - especially given the aforementioned theft is done with AI bros’ open endorsement, whether implicitly or explicitly.
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Aw man, Natasha Lyonne is going AI. Notably she is partnering with a company, Moonvalley, that claims to have developed an “ethical” model, Marey, trained on “clean” data- i.e. data that is owned or licensed by Moonvalley and whoever else they are partnering with.
ah yes the 937 partners of this website and their legitimate interest to scan and own your thoughts forever
i don’t expect literally this but there’s some potential hidden sleaziness inside
looking into this, but as far as i can tell the AI here is entirely fake
need more to declare it such
Thanks for looking into it. The idea of an ethical data set large enough to train an LLM is suspicious.
current thesis is A Guy Instead in the Philippines, dressing up wireframes
Now I want an anti-AI song parody called “A Guy Instead” to the tune of the Beatle’s “I’ll Cry Instead”
I mean I appreciate the attempt to mitigate one of the many problems with genAI, but I would expect the smaller dataset to make a model that confabulates even more and is gonna be even harder to work with than something like Sora. Like, I’m sure a decent director will be able to make something with it but I can’t see how it’s going to be better results or more time/money/labor efficient than human VFX pipelines even if you pay the poor bastards decently.
That and also: training and running a model still takes a ton of energy! LLMs will never be ethical.
And thus Poker Face joins Sandman in the “no longer interested in Season 2” pile, but for different reasons.
The plot of Uncanny Valley centers on “a teenage girl who becomes unmoored by a hugely popular AR video game in a parallel present.”
So, Tron again, then. But with goggles this time.
The slatestarcodex is discussing the unethical research performed on changemyview. Of course, the most upvoted take is that they don’t see the harm or why it should be deemed unethical. Lots of upvoted complaints about IRBs and such. It’s pretty gross.
First, Chrome won the browser war fair and square by building a better surfboard for the internet. This wasn’t some opportune acquisition. This was the result of grand investments, great technical prowess, and markets doing what they’re supposed to do: rewarding the best.
Lots of credit given to 👼🎺 Free Market Capitalism 👼🎺, zero credit given to open web standards, open source contributions, or the fact that the codebase has a lineage going back to 1997 KDE code.
I am certain that many of those ignorant of the history (or even were there for it, like DHH) would still argue that Google deserves credit because of the V8 JavaScript engine. But I continue to doubt that further promulgating JavaScript was a net positive for the world.
If markets really rewarded the best, they would have rewarded Opera way more. (By which I mean the original Opera, up to version 12, and not the terrible chromium-based thing that has its name slapped on it today. Do not use that one, it’s bad.)
Much more important for Chrome’s success than “being the best” (when has that ever been important in the tech industry?), was Google’s massive marketing campaign. Heck, back when Chrome was new, they even had large billboard ads for it around here, i.e. physical billboards in the real world. And “here” is a medium-sized city in Europe, not Silicon Valley or anything… I never saw any other web browser being advertised on freaking billboards.
“markets should reward the best” is quite something
I think you were trying to reply to this comment
Indeed.
dhh having a normal one
On my first two reads, I thought that it was heavy-handed satire with mediocre word choice. But no, I suppose that he’s being sincere, in which case I’m glad to notify DHH that Apple products are optional and that a technologist can go their entire lives without purchasing a single Apple product.
Google’s incredible work to further the web isn’t an act of charity, it’s of economic self-interest, and that’s why it works.
Same dumb motherfucker who has been pinching pennies due to poor architecture. Does he think public clouds are acts of charity? Or, going the other direction, this is the same entitled prick who has been naysaying universal basic income because he thinks work gives us purpose like a fucking Calvinist. Does he think UBI is an act of charity? No, DHH, you myopic chud, public clouds and UBI are both concepts borne of economic self-interest.
Look, Google’s trillion-dollar business depends on a thriving web that can be searched by Google.com
Someone should probably tell them.
Newsom is pitching Generative AI to make government more “efficient” : https://abc7.com/post/gavin-newsom-announces-ai-driven-efforts-help-california-reduce-traffic-jams-improve-road-safety/16279785/
The predictions of slopworld 2035 are coming true!Blergh. Just fucking fund public transport and don’t use AI. Easy wins on traffic and efficiency.
That’s what continually kills me about these bastards. There is so much legitimate low-hanging fruit that they don’t have the administrative capacity to follow up on even if they did have the interest and rather than actually pursue any of it they want to further cut their ability to do anything in the vain hole that throwing enough money at tech grifters will magically produce a perfect solution.
Also, I assume it gets even worse, traffic is I think one of those hard problems, those complex coordination problems which we are not great at solving using tech, if either people are their own free agents like cars, or like cars have a mass (that is why you just can’t use tcp/ip like stuff, but trains/public transport and the global goods transportation network works a lot better apart from the last mile sort of stuff). AI is not going to be able to do shit. Hell, this is prob going to be a problem like ‘im going to make sex simple’ (See also the alt text). Just pure AI magical thinking stuff.
Also, use bicycles you cowards. Death to the cult of car.
Yeah. After all, Gavin Newsom was created in a test tube to be the perfect liberal career politician. Find obvious areas of concern by co-opting leftist causes, then use that as an excuse to funnel money into corporations. This is common democrat ghoul shit.
Time saved by AI offset by new work created, study suggests – Ars Technica
