my country allows teachers to use some AI
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The fact that this phrase is revolutionary and newsworthy makes this world so dystopian that it’s hard to believe.
Wish it were this:
Did you use generative AI to edit this image? lol jk
Do social media next.
Gotta say though, this is an idea that might misfire.
Try to stop kids from doing things for their own good is not an easy conundrum.
The telecommunication is not the problem, but the addictive feeds, and they are a problem for everyone. Change social media, don’t block them.
How the fuck do we do that??
It’s like saying, don’t stop the leak, control the flow of water…
It’s not like weed or sex. Kids aren’t organically predisposed to using smartphones and AI. It’s something they’re being taught to do which is largely being orchestrated by capital. Chrome books are bad enough. There really is no other option here. Otherwis we’re just giving up and allowing Google raise our children.
I hear ya.
I just don’t see a solution here. Unless…
I’ve asked this else where. Don’t get me wrong here, I agree with this and think it’s great. But how are they going to police this? Yes there are the ai bots to check for ai usage. But that only goes so far.
I mean… “Sit in this room with a pen and a piece of paper until your thoughts are on that paper. If we see you pull out your cell phone, we’re taking it away.” is pretty effective.
On an individual level, people mostly just follow the rules on their own. The spectre of some large and unknowable punishment is usually enough to enforce something like this. If 25% of people break the rule because they aren’t afraid… You don’t have to find all of them and punish them. You can just find a couple and punish them harshly, occasionally, decreasing the number of people who aren’t afraid of rhe consequences.
Aside from that, this is implicitly a statement that school admins and teachers aren’t allowed to push LLM usage on students. That’s FAR more enforceable.
Honestly, a big step is blocking/not enabling it on school computers.
Like, a lot of schools with one-to-one Chromebooks have Gemini or whatever just completely bundled and integrated.
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At the very least, activities within the schools will not be participating in shitting all over the children’s brains. That still means something.
Likely shifting curriculums away from homework towards more in-class assignments. Which should have been done decades ago, homework was invented as a punishment.
Mamdani is giving me major mayor dysmorphia.
You can go read on r/teachers (https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Teachers) just how bad this shit is getting--both phone use, and AI use for assignments.
We seriously need to completely ban both phones and AI use in grade school. Back to pencil and paper, and “show your work”. The kids coming out of high school now can barely read, beyond texting. It’s frightening.
If you give a fuck about your kids, you’ll make sure they can read and write, because the schools don’t give a fuck about your kids.
Teachers give a fuck. Unfortunately we refuse to adequately fund schools and don’t give teachers the latitude to teach.
They sneaking in those dummy phones too?
One thing to promote literacy might be calm down about the sex, drugs and violence in books. I didn’t have a single interesting assigned reading until Red Dragon in highschool.
A Time to Kill, great. Wish I read that instead of to kill a mockingbird.
Bad take, Mockingbird is great. Compelling and depressingly relevant to this day.
It’s a good book, yes, but I was not interested in it and I had the executive function of a teenage boy.
If we catered education to only the things that appeal to the most distracted teenage boys it would just be tits and explosions.
Actually I’d like to argue the reflective point: why is there not an expectation that coursework should be interesting and compelling for students?
why is there not an expectation that coursework should be interesting and compelling for students?
As you said, you had the executive function of a teenage boy. The works still get taught because they are interesting and relevant. but it’s hard to see that as a kid, as you’re developing vocabulary and literacy and also lacking life experiences to relate.
Schools try to compromise by giving a list of choices and letting students choose from those on what is most interesting. But curriculums only flex so much.
If it gets them writing essays and participating who cares?
The parents, apparently.
Schools are warehouses to hold children while parents are at work.
Public schools are. For high school, I went to a free online charter school. I received a substantially better education than my friends in the magnet public high school.
I get there are other problems with the whole ‘school choice’ debate, but my family was broke and I was still able to get a better education. That’s a plus imo and I’d recommend it to anyone.
If we forced rich people to send their children to public schools, public schools would get a lot better. By allowing them to have a choice, they choose to defund the public school.
It’s an illusion either way. Public schools are funded by property taxes. property taxes are based on the home’s worth. So you see how this snowballs.
Agree.
If we forced rich people to send their children to public schools, they would all move to public school districts in areas with housing too expensive for poor families to afford. That’s not a hypothetical, that’s just current reality.
The problem is rich people, not what options they do or do not have.
That’s solvable with bussing, unless rich people all want to live out in the middle of nowhere in compounds or something.
The problem is rich people, which is why we should take away their options. They currently have the option to make rich-only school districts and we could take that away from them too. Point is, we have to force them to use the same school as everyone else.
I went to one of the worst schools in my state. The education was fine, schools are judged by their student body, not the teachers.
Graduated undergrad with a 4.0 in my engineering field, then got a doctorate from one of the most prestigious programs in the world. Now I’m a depressed techie waiting to FIRE, but I wouldn’t blame my public high school for that.
“FIRE”?
Totally freeking agree. My family are all teachers and wow. The protocol for cellphones is you put them away at your cubby.
But now they’re bringing their real phones AND a dummy one to put in the pouches instead.
nd yes. AI destroying critical thinking skills. This generation is fucked. iPad parents as well.
Shortening attention spans with those “shorts” on YouTube and other places.
…just put signal jammers in each class in easy to reach spot for a teacher, sheesh. AI requires net, FB and Insta too. Nowadays kids don’t do offline so that should solve the problem.
“No child left behind” turned into “more children left behind.”
They weren’t left behind; they were trampled by the machine pushing them forward.
And, in retrospect, the reality of “No Child Left Behind” fits the MO of US governance: they are catering to the optics of “a child being held back in grade” and not to the actual issues that are preventing the child from learning.
because the schools don’t give a fuck about your kids.
News flash: it’s not just the schools, unfortunately.
The number of new nurses / doctors who auto-piloted their way through school is fucking staggering.
There’re no checks, they just take ChatGPT’s vomit at face value.
Then they start working, and they’re just bad.
AI needs to be banned from education, period. Think with your own brain.
I think at this point society needs to unite, and push the genie back into its bottle by any means possible.
That’s going to require the working class seizing power. I think we’re working on that.
In a social capacity, that’s already happening. Look how many online communities ban AI slop and how many irl communities push back hard against new data centers.
Even the economic side of things is starting to question the AI narrative, but I think they’re playing along as we’ll have to acknowledge we’re in a huge recession when AI is exposed as vaporware.
I’m glad someone’s trying to do anything at all about it. People asking “what about at home”, it’s the parents fault then. Actually be involved with your kids lives…they won’t be in yours that long and it’s not a sacrifice to sit down with them and watch them do homework or anything at all really.
Do you realize how many parents work two full-time jobs? A lot, especially single parents. It’s not as simple as “spend more time with your kids” when every ‘free’ moment you have is spent driving, preparing food, or doing basic chores / hygiene routines.
I’ve worked many warehouse and similar jobs. There are a lot of parents who really love their children and express that by allowing themselves to be economically exploited every single minute of their life to guarantee their children a better future.
Sure, there are also parents who just don’t give a shit and park their kids on an iPad, but that has always been the case in one form or another. The trend where even caring parents are unable to spend enough time with their children is a consequence of a society-wide failure and the shameless embrace of capitalism.
But then they would be able to resist the will of the wealthy and ambitious. We can’t have that. Ppl not doing what the wealthy want is such an annoyance!
What’s stopping them from using if for home works?
Given that it’s banned, if they get caught, it’d be punishable.
You can usually spot AI writing. It’s wordy, fluffy bullshit.
Kids are smarter than this. They’ll do things like prompting the AI to write at a certain grade level or prompt it to pretend they’re a student whose first language isn’t English. Hell they can even upload an essay you actually did write and ask it to write a new essay that matches the writing style of the old one.
That would turn out to be inconsistent with their writing style (even if it may be consistent with the average for that level). The personal style should become apparent from live testing.
At a certain point in school I realized that cheating was more work than just studying, and what you’re describing is a perfect example.
I invented my own runic script and would write all the German I was supposed to be learning on the covers of my notebooks, hidden in drawings of monoliths or spaceships or whatever. I would have these notebooks on the floor during tests and I would get perfect scores. Now I don’t speak a fucking word of German except for what little I remember from Nightcrawler in the X-men comic books. Unglaublich!
At that point, why even take a German class?
Yeah for real, you’re never gonna hit on babes in another language if you cheat in your language class. It’s like people only care about the grade, and don’t understand the greater and more noble purpose of education (impressing potential dates).
Exactly, that sounds like so much more work than just sprechen some Deutsch.
Just like robbing a bank is (supposedly) much easier than it is to get away with it.
Great question!
Let’s delve into that—
Probably nothing, but teachers can easily tell if something was done by AI (usually because lazy students will be lazy enough to not even bother to try and hide it), so with it being properly banned, it gives teachers the authority to question suspicious assignments.
morality
“Kids need to learn to think for themselves”. Shocked Republican gasp
Can’t have that. Then they won’t be Republican.
Look at this socialist plot to uproot the seeds of future GOP voters!
Let’s also ban it for teachers who create educational materials. My kids receive and work with such materials and it’s wrong so often and deeply, the teachers can’t even explain how to solve problems.
Maybe let’s pay them enough
Yeah, because teacher have unlimited resources.
As a teacher, I can’t agree enough. I’m really tired of being handed slop from my coworkers, and then having to weigh the social implications of explaining to them how I know it is slop and why this particular case of slop is bad. The amount of energy I have to spend deconstructing their use of AI, and then translating and validating that deconstruction to them, doesn’t match the effortlessness with which they pump out more slop and leave me frustrated that I have to do this every time.
Just ban it from use in elementary and secondary schools, please.
I’m an adult taking night classes at my local community college. I have two instructors (neither is technically a professor). One is my age, and she begs us not to use AI, as some of my classmates openly talk about using it. My other instructor is in her 60s and all of her assignments have little notes under the header that say “this worksheet was generated by copilot”. It’s baffling. My feedback at the end of the semester is always “this class was great, but I wish the assignments didn’t use AI”.
Go on ratemyprofessor and give her a low score. That actually does influence professors imo.
Teacher here, it doesn’t. There is a strong bias on this kind of site towards negative reviews so we tend to ignore it as a. it doesn’t represent reality and b. we want to keep our mental health.
It’s been like half a decade (fuck, old) since I was in college but I never felt it had a particularly negative slant. Most good professors had very good ratings, the one actually-bad professor I took had a pretty bad rating (but she was the only one available for that class).
I always used it when signing up for classes, so even if it doesn’t influence individual educators, it’ll tell you who to avoid. Especially for valid critiques like “fills her lessons with AI slop”.
Hell, I think it’s more important to ban it in high school.
It should’ve be banned from the world itself, but yeah, that’s for sure better than nothing.
