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I will now cut back on all social media. Lemmy included as I get a depression from what’s happening in the US. What is painfully obvious is that we Europeans must stop fucking around and federate so that we have a fucking chance wedged in between despots and idiots.
The current trend is sadly in the other direction. Fascists are rising to power and the countrys get more separated. More border controllers are happening.
Volt all the way baby!!!
Lets get the european federation on the way!!
Best of luck, wish me good luck on getting out of here before everyone realizes they closed the boarders going OUT as well as IN.
“But the felon promised me cheaper eggs.”
This is so. fucked. up. I’m not American (and thank fuck for that), but I’m actually feeling so ill and worried for y’all. I think it’s time for me to block/unfollow any American accounts and news cause shit’s about to get really fucking bleak.
I’m American. I’m so disappointed in my fellow Americans. And I’d wager around half of us feel similarly disgusted by these results.
Just know not all of us voted for this fascist. I have been trying to organize more and get my friends to organize against this. Clearly civil disobedience is needed, so I think organizing and donating to organizations that support anti-fascism would help.
I went on holiday to the USA this summer. We had time, money, had never been and feared/expected the USA to elect Trump again. Looks like I made the right call. Stay strong USA.
I would do the same. Imagine how ill I feel living here and being surrounded by red states. Woohoo
Lol, don’t worry, it’s coming for you regardless
America is fucked. Ukraine is fucked. The world is fucked. The only glimmer of hope is Trump drops dead before his term is out.
The issue is that the heritage foundation has put JD vanced to take over for Trump when he dies
Which, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, is actually scarier than just Trump. Both are nightmares, Vance is young and wants to make tech CEOs kings
That’s the seriously fucked part of all of this… Trump will run his 4 years because the worst of us never die, then the DNC runs the resurrected corpse of Regan to court the moderate vote again, loses in another landslide to Vance, Vance gets 2 terms… By then Musk runs some fiefdom, Bezos runs his own, Zuckerberg run his Hawaiian fiefdom… After that if I’m not dead I’ll make sure I am.
Of course. He’s bankrolled by Peter Thiel and they make no false claims about it. Dude is a vindictive brat with billions to his name and absolutely 0 shame. He bankrolled Hulk Hogan’s Gawker lawsuit over a grudge.
He’s still there today whispering in Trump’s ear. At least if Trump were out of the picture it might derail the presidency and allow some of the weirder weirdos & grifters to be shown the the door. It may also reset republicanism to some degree since they don’t have to care what some narcissist dickhead thinks at any given moment or pursue his vendettas. Also it would be karmic.
Americans are also watching in horror FYI
Less than 50% of them
Apparently those Mussolini style of speeches and the other 50 or so political suicides did not really matter as much as you would think. No matter the outcome this being this close I think spells the end of the USA as a rational power.
America really really hates women.
And wierdly is made mostly of women, who must hate woman.
Yep, women alone could have put this election in the bag for harris. That confuses me the most out of all of this…
Once again, we are shown that people (of any gender, race, or group) can and will vote directly counter to their interests.
Well that or they like being “grabbed by the pussy” or whatever the hell. Guess I will not kink shame.
those Mussolini style of speeches
Like Kamala at the DNC saying that the US needs to have the MOST LETHAL army in the world, and the crowd bursting into chants of “USA, USA, USA”?
*of voters
The rest apparently don’t care either way
They’re not to blame. They’ve been convinced by a powerful, wealthy propaganda machine that their identity is more important than their planet, their children’s futures, or their own basic human rights. They were scared, tired, desperate, and when the machine came for them and it felt so good they bought it without checking the receipt. They’ve been tricked into giving away their futures and they are going to suffer for it. They’re stupid, but they’re not evil.
That’s bs, it just takes 1 hour of your day to go put a mark on a piece of paper and be done with it…
Pure laziness and complacency
… The voters? We’re talking about the people who cast votes. Not the ones who didn’t vote. Keep up.
The comment above yours was referring to the rest of people who could vote but didn’t, and I thought you said they were not to blame.
Anyways it just means most of the US is ok with trump, which is absolutely insane.
Your logic completely nullifies human capacity for agency and thus makes no sense whatsoever. Conditioning is important but it does not negate responsibility. Not yet anyway…
If my argument nullified the capacity for agency then propaganda could not exist.
I am saying that propaganda was used to make people vote for Trump. Without that propaganda, they may have voted in their own interests, like protecting bodily autonomy and basic human rights.
Propaganda is the thing that swayed them.
Some people are defenseless to it. They never stood a chance against the billion-dollar machine built specifically to win their vote. I feel sorry for them because they were tricked into giving away their futures.
I absolutely agree that propaganda and misleading information in general has a significant impact and most people don’t have the neccessary literacy skills to navigate conteporary information environments. And to be fair - they’re not easy to navigate. However, I do not agree that “they [people] are not to blame” in that ultimately adults must take responsibility (and blame) for their own actions and words, even if they are victims of disinformation or other types of misleading content. Because to argue the opposite would basically take away any responsibility from wrongdoing (intentional or otherwise) and would also mean that justice systems based on rule of law are meaningless and unnessary. Which is obviously not true.
We can’t have a stable system of governance where nobody can be blamed because everyone is some manner of stupid, ignorant, misled, uneducated about something, etc. Such a system simply wouldn’t be able to work in practice for the reasons I mention above.
Mind you, this doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t study or aknowledge the power that conditioning and misleading information have on collective political perceptions, and try to counter that as far as possible. But that is very different from saying “they are not to blame” and absolving people of their decisions and actions. It is a catch-22 but that is what the human condition ultimately is.
Some of them, yes. I have family that fit your description, but I also have family filled with anger and spite. The ones who hold hate I can and will blame for it.
No. It is YOUR fault if YOU fall for propaganda. Its time to hold people accountable for their stupidity
Sounds close-minded, selfish and hateful. You’d be a great Trump supporter.
Not really. Voter engagement always swings more right than left, the fact the numbers aren’t that far off means it’s likely more than 50%.
Unfortunately, just shy of 50%
America wasn’t built on just immigrants, it was built upon a certain type of immigrants: opportunists who placed greed above everything else. It shows.
The first waves, sure. Once you get to the Irish escaping the famine or the Italians escaping Mussolini, it became more about just survival.
The OGs were racist as fuck towards them, too.
They served as fuel for the social structures the first waves built.
The national identity of being Canadian over the last while has been every four years wondering if the downstairs neighbors are going to decide to restart up the meth lab they keep tinkering with and bracing for the sounds of domestic violence to resume.
gives side eye in indigenous Glass houses bro
People in Canada are delusional and think it can’t happen to us too because we’re the polite maple syrup guys. I’ve seen the projections for Pierre Poilievre. We are in 2015 America, where everybody thinks “people won’t vote for that guy, he obviously sucks”, and they aren’t right.
Not saying our shit doesn’t stink but there’s a certain matter of scale to consider. Leastaways we don’t have nukes we can hand over to the psychopath we are looking at voting in.
Hey maybe when their meth lab explodes we’ll also have a swift death :(
You’ve described exactly how I feel. And of course, the shit down south is affecting us up here, we have our own lunatic conservatives like Doug Ford, Milhouse and Bernier who aspire to be like the GOP.
Conservatism is a worldwide problem and they all borrow each other’s notes. It’s not going to be a fun time for us coming up. I can only hope that when the shit hits the fan down there those up here start rethinking their bullshit.
Did someone at the Tim Hortons hear that hoo?
Americans are watching this too and wondering what the fuck is wrong with our fellow Americans. This should not even be close.
America is a fascist nation dripping in right wing propaganda.
If we elect Trump a second time, the only people who can express shock are the ones who have never seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs.
Trump would make us fascist. We are not currently so.
Ok maybe you’re not a fascist country, but you’ve been dipping your toes in the fascism pool for decades, just waiting for the water to be warm enough.
Aged like milk
I’m really hoping that it isn’t close and that the polls were lying “just to make it interesting”
I have some bad news
But have you thought that Kamala is a Woman?
Maybe don’t turn important political processes into a sports match. Try a little logos with your ethos.
Yeah you’re right it’s us, the ones posting to lemmy, doing that. You nailed it mate
Tacitly, yes.
No one wants to hear it - that’s often a good sign it’s right on the money.
Yeah, I really can’t believe Harris is even a viable option. This should be a Trump landslide. 🫡
Oh hey a cunt out in the wild.
You can’t believe Harris was a viable option because you’re a chud. I can’t believe Harris was a viable option because she’s genocidal imperialism. We are not the same
Agreed.
Disgusting how overrun Lemmy is with blue. Must be like 98% woke in here. Don’t be woke. Wake up, people!! WAKE UP!!!
Why do you behave like a bot?
As an American:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I second this emotion
Im more impressed than terrified. Choosing a guy who cheated on his wife instead of decrimanalised marijuana AND better healthcare. How???
Cause muh price of eggs is too much
Could have done something about price gouging for the last 4 years but they didn’t
Don’t blame the voters blame the people in power
I blame both because these dumbasses voted for the price gougers
Egg prices, Gaza, and she didnt have a dick
It’s all cyclical.
South America goes socialist and back every other election.And now some idiots believe Trump can bring back the haydays when America ruled the world economically. It’s not gonna happen, just even through population math. China India has more people and can build things cheaper, so what are u gonna do?
It is capitalist greed and moving manufacturing to China - what completely eroded US technological advantage. And now same capitalists in US think solution is moving manufacturing to India. Ha. Can’t make that up.
Like ok - hes gonna put up some tariffs which is probably right, but this not gonna cancel China manufacturing advantage - they’re just gonna sell their cars to the rest of the world. And just wait till comac comes out full force and cancels out Boeing and Airbus.
Like the dumbest thing US did - not fixing shit up with Russia. That’s the energy that powers China manufacturing, who even knows if China would be able to compete as they do without Russian energy. But nooo, we need Ukraine hurr durr.
I’m really hoping Harris wins, and we can make politics boring again. I know that if Trump wins, we’ll hear about all the insanity he will put in place for the next four years.
Sure, if he loses, Trump will cry foul, but that doesn’t have the same legs as it would if he wins.
I just want Trump to be some washed out TV “celebrity” and politics to be as entertaining as it always is: not very.
I’m not American and all I hear about right now is American politics. Y’all need to figure your shit out.
Trump is not the problem. Trump is the symptom. The problem is a somewhat powerful minority faction in the US actively pushing to dismantle our democracy. Project 2025 wasn’t written by Trump and didn’t write itself.
Harris’ win is step 1. We then need to push to shore up our democracy and prevent a more cunning trump replacement.
Watch the movie “Bad Faith”. It lays it all out.
Tl;Dr: It’s pretty much entirely the fault of Evangelicals.
Plus he’s proven that having a cult of personality works, and caused a notable shift in the US Republican party.
For all we know, that might be a permanent change, rather than a temporary one.
I’m just hoping that there’s no one with his “charisma.” Thankfully everyone else scummy enough to be in the GOP is a wet rag in comparison to him so far. He may be a piece of shit, but a con man “confidence man” he most definitely is.
next four years
Optimist.
If Trump loses, that dissolves the Trump cult and the next Trump that comes along will just be compared to Trump
I wouldn’t count on that. These are cultists who are ready to deify Trump and start sending people to the camps. I don’t think losing an election will change the fundamental cult dynamic, or the hatred and anger that has been organized within the cult. We are stuck with this bullshit probably for the rest of our lives, one way or the other.
If Trump wins, the world will become a way less hospitable place even faster. This is literally the fight for the last resources, and the 1% wants it all. Trump is a Billionaire enabler… nothing else.
sorry to say but if trump is junior partner in a billionaire oligarchy firm then harris is their employee as head of hr who pretends to be our friend but is actually their to keep us in check. she was chose as vp by the lobbyists and since then she has only followed their orders.
At least she won’t strip away any right. Freedom my arse.
You are out of your mind, my friend and so far removed from reality. What insanity are you even referring to? America needs rehabilitation, and we’re not getting that with Harris, who has presented herself as utterly clueless in just about all her media interactions. It’s absolutely bonkers how the seemingly majority of people here on Lemmy can’t see this. Yikes! Glad to see the blue wall coming down as I type this.
Found the cult member.
Yes. You were looking in the mirror.
Childish response from a clown who thinks a geriatric nepo baby is going to make america great.
Not at all. I think he’s going to fuck it up royally.
I’m just not blind faith attatched to eating the shit of genociding democrats like most of the real clowns on this website.
The democrats could have run a candidate who would have made Trump look foolish, but they didn’t. Instead they ran the bigger fool.
Only the DNC is to blame. People I forgive. The fear is real.
How will Trump, the only other viable candidate, do a better job?
All arguments are expired at this point. Now you’ll just have to witness for yourself how he’ll do a better job.
To answer your question, though, I implore you (and anyone reading this comment) to pick through the trove of Charlie Kirk videos on YouTube with an open mind. 🙏🏽
Your mind would have to be positively cavernous.
Good one.
Funny - it’s the same for roughly 50% of Americans too - which is horrifying.
👁️ 👁️
Edit: sorry it was more than 50% of Americans. Fuck everyone. Goodbye.
Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote
That doesn’t change anything, tbh.
Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.
Yeah, that’s a decision
It’s that people don’t vote
Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.
Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.
Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.
If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.
Honestly, I’d be cool with that
We don’t have to wait for Republicans to want to become socialists (what the absolute fuck is this line of thinking?). We can have more then two viable political parties with a more representative electoral system like STAR voting.
How we.vote is.controlled.at the state level as well, so we don’t need a miracle to pass in congress to get these changes. In fact, some states have already passed legislation that replaced First Past The Post voting. Others are voting on it in referendums soon to!
So it’s possible, gets more people involved in the political process, and gets more votes for democrats.
we just need convince the DNC that democracy is a good thing.
What?!? You mean we can’t virtue signal about how the Democrats have to earn our vote, not vote, and expect the party to move away from the side that actually votes?!?!?!?!?
I get so sick of fake leftists promoting behaviors that actively go against their stated goals. I guess they’re not all fake, some of them are just psycho accelerationists who would rather get ‘dictator on day one’ than let the Democrats have power because then they might think they won’t go left if they win (and won’t admit they will just keep going right like they’ve done for over half a century when they lose).
Electing a fascist dictator to own the liberals
Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house
Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.
Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.
My state is already called with 82% for Harris! I’m sure the final won’t be nearly that good but we’re on track to beat our previous score of 69% blue.
We’re doing what we can for popular vote
If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution.
It’s adorable you think the Dems have the spine for that sort of thing.
agreed, Dem centrists havent even reached the concerned letter writing stage over a genocide. Thet are pretty far from any revolution.
Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.
You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.
I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.
It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)
Yeah, it’s crazy that it not only happens but is apparently ok.
I rolled into my voting place after work, which you’d expect to be busy and no line. We’re in a high cost of living part of a high cost of living blue state, but most definitely not white nor wealthy. I assume it’s the blue state that wants everyone to vote although I certifiably don’t know if there are places here where it’s different
People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).
I think that’s certainly part of it. Imo, it’s a few things more also, not that you said it wasn’t anything else too:
Included in what you said, voter suppression. People being bombarded into apathy, has really kicked up a notch. Its identifying who’s susceptible and spamming them like mad with things the data you have on them says will work specifically.
There’s a real core of people in every country thats incredibly easy to wind up with emotive narratives that have enough truthyness to override what might otherwise be sound critical judgment skills.
America’s real problem is that the direct line to those people and their data is owned by a very small group of very wealthy people. On top of that, you have interference from a country that seems to some how be even better than America at foreign election interference and they’re very pro trump.
That’s before you get to the Democrats who, even if they were or weren’t any good, have to sell their soul to the highest bidder just to come close to Republican election spending. The side who spends the most is always the side who wins and a democrat will only ever be given enough money to win if they compromise to an extent that they’re, right or wrong, not different enough for a lot of Americans.
My country’s greatest export is class subjugation. America’s is the manufacture of consent. America was amazing at it even before social media etc. which would be a dictators dream. Now, I’m not saying the people with all the power are as bad as bad as stalin or anything like that. But, with something like that at your disposal, you wouldn’t have to be.
TLDR: America is the ever evolving blueprint to how consent will be manufactured around the world.
It’s always that people don’t vote. Support without votes is empty wind.
I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.
Very accurate meme. This is me seeing that the votes between the two candidates are somehow close. This is me seeing how one of the two is even allowed to run at all.
Yeah its one thing if youre a trump supporter because then you are just a sheep but i actually dont understand whats going on in the head if those who have to think about the decision
His IQ is currently equal to his amount of felonies
Edit: The fact that this comment has exactly 37 up votes makes it even funnier
So far. He may become a genius over the next year
I’m just hoping this comment ages like milk as his convictions pile up with his other trials.
What other trials? Those will never happen now.
That’s being rather generous…
You’re right
