U guys want trump? No? Go vote then.
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Everyone needs to VOTE. End of story.
No they don’t. I probably won’t vote this year. I’m in Leduc-Wetaskwin tell my why my vote matters? At least when the vote subsidy was around I could vote and know something happened because of it. Now I am caring less and less each election.
The next election that matters for me is provincial as the ANDP has a chance.
I still vote for NDP in my riding even though it’s a Liberal stronghold. Not voting would amount to giving up, and we can’t just give up no matter the odds.
My vote tells the NDP and their candidate that there are people out there caring for their platform.
What are you doing here then? If you don’t care enough to take an hour to go vote then you shouldn’t be spending any time discussing politics. If voting doesn’t matter, then discussing politics on lemmy definitely doesn’t matter.
Cool, your apathy is what will ruin this country regardless of your circumstances and context
Nope FTTP is what well ruin the country. The conservative are predicted to win in my riding by 99% NDP and Liberal have a less then 1% each of winning. You can call me apathetic all you want but my vote literally well not matter this election at all it is less then a fart in the wind.
Oh you are right, but vote anyway otherwise they have already won by disenfranchising you from caring. This is how Trump won by a third of the populartion not bothering to try.
I lived in Calgary, in Harper’s riding while that slime was in power. I don’t, and didn’t, give a wet slap if I was the ONLY green booger on his otherwise blue quilt, my vote was my way to tell him, every time I could, that we weren’t all in his corner. So, damn straight I voted, every goddamn time I could and you should too.
I’m in a riding that has been staunch CPC for a very long time, however, each election, a bunch of us get out and vote, and now this is the first time that a different candidate may win. Why? Because this time, enough people polled that way that the numbers show there may be a chance. And as a result, advance voting numbers have been through the roof.
The only way there’s ever going to be a chance in your riding is if enough people get out there to make a statement in the previous election.
Make this your “previous election.” We can work on eradicating FTTP in parallel.
I’m in an Alberta riding which is very likely to go CPC, but exercising my right to vote is also my civic duty.
So while it might not affect the outcome this time, my vote contributes to popular vote metrics, turnout, and in the case where there’s lots people who happen to surprise (it is within the margin of error), my vote might in fact be the deciding vote that sways a riding.
It’s a shame when people value democracy so little they can’t be bothered to vote.
I’m sure there are a lot of other people who are thinking the same thing. This is why progression takes so long.
If you and the others like you vote, you may not change anything, true. However, you may increase the numbers enough to turn the tide in the next election. All votes matter. It’d be interesting to see the results if the 40% of Canadians who didn’t vote last election do this time, or did last time.
There are people who strive to make you believe your vote doesn’t matter. Sounds like they were successful.
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You lazy fucker
I maintain it should be required by law to vote, punishable by expatriation. If one doesn’t want to do the one thing required of them in a democracy, they can gtfo and live in an undemocratic country.
Expatriation is a bit extreme, especially when we don’t even have a voting holiday. I agree with a strong incentive though, perhaps a 1-3% tax rebate?
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Nope. I am serious. We have to literally do one thing as citizens and that is vote. If one isn’t willing to do that one doesn’t get the benefits of a democracy.
You aren’t serious. How tf are you going to “expatriate” someone? Put them in a rowboat and tow them into international waters?
Trumps doing it, you make a monetary deal with a prison elsewhere and fly people there
You act like I have the power to do anything at all. Chill out. I don’t care how it would be done I think that’s how it should be because it is that easy and important to vote.
Maybe you can send them to El Salvador.
I was thinking something cheaper and easier like a good old fashioned ice float but its called a brainstorm for a reason.
I could see this if every opportunity was made to allow it.
Loosing citizenship due to a debilitating illness is completely unacceptable for example.
It is weird how humans immediately try to find exceptions to a rule without ever discussing its full implementation in the first place.
It’s full implementation is unacceptable as a hard rule. I agree with doing a lot to ensure everyone votes, but removing rights for reasons beyond one’s control is the opposite of helpful.
No one said rights would be removed for reasons beyond control. Quit being ridiculous, shit isn’t real.
I suspect that, when certain election methods are used, it’s possible to make your preferred candidate lose if you express support for them:
I can imagine that someone’s best choice can be to entirely abstain from voting in some situations. I don’t think it’s ethical to force people to vote if doing so would harm them.
Making a law about an obligation to vote will probably make future electoral reform harder (since people will have to figure out / get confused about whether a change will make it more likely for them to land in court), and making it hard to change bad systems is surely a bad thing.
Incentivizing someone to show up and just cast a blank ballot could make it harder to detect fraud. For example, it might be convenient to dispose of ballots that someone intended to misuse by mixing them in with the legitimate ballots, and having more blank ballots that are actually legitimate would make it less clear whether something illegal has happened.
“Voting in all federal elections in Australia is a legal obligation for citizens aged 18 and over”, but there isn’t a very steep penalty for not doing so (and you might even get your name published in a newspaper, which some people might value for its own sake):
Having early voting and making the “main” voting day be a holiday for a large number of people seems like a good idea, since that makes voting easier for people who want to vote. Hounding people who don’t want to vote (regardless of their reasoning) seems like a worse idea.
The blank ballot can be easily remedied by allowing the spoiling of ballots, or marking the vote in a way that doesn’t indicate any choice.
I think this is a reasonable and valuable method of expressing political opinion, especially as this form can be counted. It also ensures that it was a deliberate choice and not just apathy.
Along the same path as incentivising people to vote, perhaps it should be cities/voting areas that get punished somehow for low voter turnout.
It is literally the only responsibility one has for all the rights and freedoms one enjoys in Canada.
@Sunshine, I like the idea of engaging fellow voters by surfacing interesting ridings. We should do more of that. Highlight close races, and who’s the main contenders. Might get some people in those ridings informed and others motivated to get out and vote.
While I don’t enjoy seeing our politics being reduced to a two party system, given the lack of proportional representation this seems like an obvious decision for the NDP voters and even the party itself. Better a liberal than Conservative when they’re clearly not going to win.
Proportional representation sucks (see Israel for an example of how that can go wrong) and it will never happen because nobody can promote it without also indicating they like it because it will give their preferred political party an advantage. So it all sounds like “I want to change the democratic system so that my party will win” which puts you on the same level as people that want to rig elections.
Ranked choice voting would be a better thing to promote for people that find it difficult to accept democracy is about making compromises. In the end you’ll never have a system where millions of people will get exactly what they want, but if the goal is to give immature people warm and fuzzy vibes when they vote for a party that doesn’t have chance of winning, then ranked choice is a way to do that without giving political parties even more power than they already have.
I’m so disappointed in our country at this point. 4 years of conservative government across North america- good luck everyone who doesn’t vote for PP
Very strong collaborator vibes from this one.
Not really clear where your position is, but I will make my position clear: We all see where right wing populism ends up just by looking south of us. It’s a disaster. Copying that in this moment is outright idiocy. Picking the right wing populist who has never been on the right side of an issue and who mimics the exact policy beats of the Republicans is a surefire way to go down the same path. We need to tell the Conservatives to drop their culture war crazies, stop fighting against experts, stop trying to remove rights from people, and focus on real solutions to real problems.
Canadians conservatives are left of the Democrats. Canada is far less right leaning.
Are you assuming I’m ok with Democrats?
Can you name me one policy that is left of Democrats? I can name quite a few that are not - obsession with woke nonsense and culture war bullshit, disdain for the media, anti-intellectualism, climate change, disdain for government, dismantling the public service - without even getting into right to abortion, which is where a not insignificant proportion of the party wants to go, as evidenced by the thinly veiled and thankfully ham fisted attempts to push through bills to undermine it.
It’s hard for Poilievre to distance himself from Trump when he borrows Trump politics. I mean, really, if you’re trying to sound less like Trump, maybe don’t bring up plastic straws. That’s really the most important issue? I thought Poilievre had some political instincts, so I thought he would wisely avoid dumb statements like that…but I think now he wants to look like Trump because a) is all he knows and he clearly cannot pivot, and b) he calculates that his base doesn’t care, and it seems he’s right…which makes him and them profoundly unaware of the new reality, and profoundly unprepared for what we must do to meet it.
For now. Conservatives have been inching further right for decades and if the US is any indication, they’re gonna start speeding up. Especially if they win this one.
Yup. Trump said he’d only deport criminals and we see how that’s going. PP said he’d only use notwithstanding to take away the rights of criminals… wonder where that’s heading.
I really hope the polls are right and we don’t get a conservative government. But polls are notoriously wrong now.
I keep hearing statements like this, but they’re not backed up by data. Polls are rarely “wrong” and aggregators such as 338Canada do a pretty good job of predicting local races. While there are are some historically bad misses (many pollsters for the 2016 US Presidential Election), IMHO the biggest issues is people not understanding what polls actually mean, and the media doing a terrible job of explaining them.
My tepid take, every poll should report with error bars, would help somewhat, like I know they report moe but still, visual would be best to convey that quickly.
Doesn’t help that in my experience, people just don’t have a great grasp on statistics, was a common complaint of a statistician friend I worked with for years. As to why, stats specific courses weren’t required when I went to highschool, I hope that’s changed.
Also the 2024 election. Also the bc provincial election last year. Pretty sure the last federal election polls Also were wrong. Polls are instantly biased by the type of people that answer polls, or the audience that the polls are based on.
The polls were good in the last federal election. It’s just that the Liberals took the question of “who would you vote for if there were an election today?” a little too literally and called a snap election. People didn’t like that and they dropped in the polls immediately because of that bonehead decision. The election result wasn’t a surprise for anyone following the polls.
Also the 2024 election.
Almost all of the polls were within the MOE. The polls said it was a toss up, and it was.
Also the bc provincial election last year. Pretty sure the last federal election polls Also were wrong.
The results for both of these were very close to what the polls predicted. Not sure why you felt they were off?
Polls are instantly biased by the type of people that answer polls, or the audience that the polls are based on.
Very true, which is the job of pollsters to adjust for. And, as I’ve said, I think they are pretty good at their jobs.
I’ll take anyone except the Liberal cabinet. Imagine Sean Fraser getting his job back when even Carney himself renounced his entire tenure saying it dramatically hurt the poor and increased wealth inequality. Or Freeland as a finance minister who landed 20b over her own fiscal guardrail. These people were rightfully disliked.
Can’t fathom the idea of another liberal government, regulations after regulations making the tiniest tasks unnecessarily complex then, once people settle with the regulations they go and pull the red carpet out on ya a couple years later.
Firearms owners know how this feels.
You’d rather have a guy notwithstanding your rights away just so that your little hobby can be a little more easier for you. And if that makes it easier for someone to massacre school children, you’re cool with that too as long as you have a little less paperwork for a fucking hobby.
Single issue voters are the death of freedom.
All one can do is hope for anything but another liberal government.
So you prefer to have PP to notwithstanding your rights away?
Conservative logic demands perfection from all other parties except their own, in which case, anything goes.
looks like 170 bless could make the difference
