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Didn’t know goal keeper stats didn’t include saves and errors
Are we supposed to act like these 2 are outfield players or something lol
Raya’s long passing is what stands out for me the most. I feel like everytime he kicks it, he will connect with our forwards. Whereas Ramsdale’s long kicks is what used to drive me crazy. Everytime he kicks it long it will just go out of bounds or straight at the oppossing team
Garbage graphic. Where’s the goalie stats?
I’m missing some shot accuracy, throw ins completed, goals and assists
May as well throw in XG while we’re at it
It’s clear. Chelaea was one of those the entire team was off it. The long hall accuracy you have to see the stats for cause it always seems like they’re off but I’m pretty sure 50 percent is near elite level
I think people are forgetting that Ramsdale distribution regressed last season and was not up to standard this season either. Instead of playing it short he would usually just hoof it up. Raya continues to play out from the back even after he makes a mistake, that makes him brave in my opinion. Its clear Arteta wants a keeper that is calm under pressure and Raya is more calm than Ramsdale (For now)
Ramsdale got worse every his start he was amazing for the first half of 21/22 and since then never really got back to it
Raya continues to play out from the back even after he makes a mistake
Jesus what a point
Yep he does what the manager wants
It doesn’t matter if you win or lose, or if you make a stop or concede a goal. What it matters is to be brave and keep playing out from the back, killing with boredom all the viewers.
I think people are forgetting goalkeepers job is to prevent goals
Non-goalkeeping football people will always hyper focus on the ONE mistake leading to a shot or goal and the entire goalkeeping performance goes out the window. Sweeper keepers get lobbed by cross-cum-shots all the time. Raya is better at claiming crosses anyway
Now do the stat for errors done in 6 matches!
should we include last season as well when Ramsdale was gifting forwards possession with the most errors in the league while Raya was quality for brentford or does that not fit the narrative.
Ramsdale plays Arsenal into trouble by playing loose passes and is a bit suspect for a few saves - “Ffs, get this guy out of the team, he’s costing us”
Raya plays Arsenal into trouble by playing loose passes and is a bit suspect for a few saves - “Ffs, he’s just doing what Mikel asked him to do. Calm down, he just needs time”
Not even hating on Raya particularly, just wish people were consistent
Ramsdale had two seasons worth of patience and time to develop before being dropped. You’re acting like Arteta abruptly dropped him. That he was given 2 seasons and Raya is being given 6 games before being written off completely speaks against your weird point.
We should look at this season where they’re competing for the same spot. And currently Ramsdale has made less errors!
oh so we should cherry pick from a smaller sample size where one goalkeeper faced objectively harder teams like city, spurs and chelsea while the other was bang average against mid-bottom table teams. got it.
Raya hasn’t been great and his numbers are still better
So are we gonna compare any goalkeeping stats for our goalies or no?
These comparisons are pissing me off: partey was rb, white at cb and Gabriel was benched! See how raya do with that experimental back line
Or, much more importantly, tot up how many major mistakes they’ve each made that led to us conceding a major chance or goal… Ramsdale’s made one that I can remember this season (against Brentford), while Raya’s averaging more than one per game so far with the heinous City performance and 2 mistakes against Chelsea.
No one should be bringing up stats when he could have cost us 2 goals in each of the last 2 league games. That’s unacceptable and would have probably got him dropped at any other club without the weird nepotism situation with our GK coach.
Raya’s the Mustafi of goalkeepers. If you make game-changing mistakes, nothing else you do matters. Insignificant nonsense like passing accuracy don’t get to be discussed given how many major chances he hands the opposition every game. We were so, so lucky that Palmer and Alvarez didn’t capitalise, because our title challenge could have been practically over already thanks to Raya (City would be 7 points ahead right now if we hadn’t won those coinflips)
That’s kinda what I took from this as well.
I understand distribution is important for modern goalies and I know Arteta really values it, but there is still more to being a GK than just distribution.
It just feels cherry-picked and pushes a particular narrative, I would be more ok if it specifically said it was a distribution comparison but it doesn’t.
Having a GK comparison where they don’t include any save stats just feels weird.
still better, 8 saved out of 12 shots for raya (66.6%), 5 saves for 9 shots for ramsdale (55%), better last year aswell, raya was the best saver in the league last year and so far in the league is 4th save percentage wise on 75% with ramsdale in 22nd on 55.5%, with raya only playing one game more, we need to stop the ramsdale being better narrative now before we shoot rayas confidence and are left with a worse goalkeeper for it
I wasn’t saying if one was better or not, as much as I love Ramsedale I know Raya is probably better.
But when you make a comparison of goalkeepers then not put in any traditional goalkeeping stats it feels unfair, it doesn’t give you the entire picture.
My issue was with the comparison chart, not with the decision to go with Raya.
I like Raya, but c’mon - no one on this sub can hurt Raya’s confidence at all. He’s a professional and it kinda delusional to think we have any impact on him.
its not just the sub, its all over social media, and despite what people think footballers arent special humans, they will eventually see that everyone is calling for them to be swapped out (would especially hurt since he is better in everyway so its just favouritism)
Honestly no because I think it’s obvious that Mikel values distribution ability more than actual goalkeeping
Raya has made more passes. The keeper is more busy when he plays. Is that a good thing?
Where’s the xG shit that they was being pushed when he was signed?
I will always continue to say this, that the people who are given microphones to talk about the keeping position show how little to nothing they know about the position. Hence these stat lines.
Raya’s stats are better in every metric and most importantly his PSxG is better while allowing us to play the way Mikel wants:
The main thing is Raya had an error that is currently on everyone’s mind while Ramsdale technically hasn’t committed any this year per Fbref. If you look at last year’s errors committed, Ramsdale had 6 to Raya’s 2 over the same number of games.
Debates over who should start will be brought up again and again because of our affinity for Ramsdale and Arteta’s gk rotation comments but we have to trust Mikel and the coaching staff know what they are doing.
Personally, I hope Mikel starts Ramsdale more often than just the EFL to keep his match fitness/sharpness
Does the occasional Ramsdale clanger skew the stats this much? Or do they tend to face different types of shots?
Always fascinated me how different they are in this stat over the last 2 years despite both looking similar level in shot stopping
The Fulham scuffed shot colors Ramsdale’s big time. The way that Mudryk’s would color Raya’s.
I actually don’t think the GK staff knows what they’re doing for the most part.
Wow. A goalkeepers stats and nothing about saves or clean sheets . Since when has a goalkeeper just been a midfielder? With these stats, Paul Scholes would have been a fantastic keeper.
Exactly xD
It’s almost certain to find stats for the player which you support which support the narrative you want to push. As a goalkeeper I want to see him making saves and not howlers Having the highest pass percentage in the league, and conceding >1 goal a match makes for a weird showing for a goalkeeper!
Arsenal making 900 passes in a game and losing 2-1 doesn’t help anyone
We saw that against Lens.
Raya has been better at shot stopping than Ramsdale.
Even those back Raya though. 75% save percentage vs. 55% for Ramsdale. 60%cs for Raya and 25% for Ramsdale. 8 out of 12 shots saved by Raya. 5 out of 9 for Ramsdale. You could say it’s too small a sample size which is true but based on last season Raya beats Ramsdale as well. I really don’t care about which one of them do start but a few weeks ago people were calling for Raya to play and now the opposite. I don’t really care who plays as long as it’s better for the team but right now stats back Raya in any case. The fact that he makes fans nervous isn’t new. Brentford fans have said he’s prone to doing that.
These stats highlight the importance of context when analyzing performances. For instance, Ramsdale played the first three Premier League matches in a formation experiment by Arteta, where Partey played right back and Ben White was in the center, alongside Saliba. This formation was susceptible to counterattacks, resulting in sloppy goals against Fulham and Nottingham Forest. Comparing this to Raya playing with our first-choice center-back pairing and fullbacks is like comparing apples to oranges.
Youre not wrong. People are complaining about the absence of goalkeeping stats here. I’m just providing said stats. There’s still pros and cons to both. Ramsdales gk stats from last season were pretty poor as well. Raya’s was better. Different systems and all that are another thing to consider but i dont think its abaolutely clear that Raya should be dropped right now. A couple more games with Raya still having the same issues and a change would be wise. However, we need to try to make this work because Ramsdales underlying stats from last season and this season haven’t been amazing so I’d say give Raya at least 10 games.
Stats aren’t everything. For a keeper one of the unseen things, but one of the most important, is how confident the four guys in front you are that they can pass the ball back to you in a tight situation. I just don’t get that with Raya.
Teams blocking off our double pivot entry passes (Chelsea did well) means we need to create openings elsewhere. One way is to have the gk bait a player into pressing him, another is to take up a CB position in the backline. Raya is a safer and less shaky player than Aaron, so he’s been tasked with significantly higher risk scenarios where these traits are tested.
Not saying he’s been lights out by any means but I hope he figures it out, as in theory this is a very proactive and incredible approach by Arteta
