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Some countries really can’t help themselves, do they?
❗️Iran’s healthcare system under pressure as over 15,000 wounded in US-Israeli attacks flood hospitals
Iran’s healthcare system is coming under severe strain as the US–Israeli war enters its third week, with roughly 15,000 wounded flooding hospitals across the country, according to Iranian health officials. The surge of casualties has pushed emergency wards, operating theatres, and intensive care units toward their limits as medical teams struggle to manage the growing influx of war victims.
The pressure comes as the country’s healthcare infrastructure absorbs damage from the ongoing bombing campaign. Iranian officials say at least 31 hospitals and major clinical centres have been struck, with 12 rendered out of service, while emergency bases, ambulances, and rural health facilities have also been damaged. Eleven health workers have been killed since the start of the war and dozens more injured.
Years of western sanctions have compounded the crisis, leaving hospitals short of advanced surgical equipment and vital medical supplies just as the number of wounded surges. Doctors say medical teams have been forced to improvise with limited tools while working continuous shifts, as facilities across major cities reorganize wards and mobilize medical students and retired physicians to keep the system functioning under mounting pressure.
https://t.me/thecradlemedia/54459
Iran has every right to cripple the zionist’s healthcare system. Why can one country bomb children, the elderly, the unarmed, and the medical workers, but so many western leftists seem to condemn retaliation?
The zionists wouldn’t be doing it if there was no advantage. Allowing my opponent to use dirty tactics and abstaining from using them myself gives them no reason to stop.
“israel” has been allowed to bomb schools and hospitals with impunity because their own schools and hospitals have never been systemically targeted.
I am a strong supporter of Iran doing so in retaliation, the only language zionists understand is violence.
Generally speaking, if a country is committing genocide, then diverting resources away from the genocide is an overall positive outcome.
I’ve been reading this comment and its subsequent replies and with all due respect, I think you need to take a break from monitoring the war situation if you are reduced to arguing with people on the internet about how the country you side with should bomb schools and hospitals. Yes, I know the context is you saying “in retaliation”, it’s still not a good place to find yourself in mentally.
If you don’t live in Iran, one thing you can be doing for the situation is oppose the illegal and aggressive war perpetrated by the empire and organize in that manner, including using the opportunity to point out to people just how blatantly horrible the empire has been historically while they are more apt to be disgusted with it and listen. I feel pretty confident in assuming you are not a military general of a country of over 80 million people. Iran is not going to read lemmygrad for consultation on whether they should target civilians. All this will accomplish is making you look bloodthirsty for being reduced to supporting the direct targeting of civilians (maybe you don’t personally care about that right now, but you are part of lemmygrad for posting here and how we each post contributes to how all of us look - and contributes to how all of us think, which is why people argue over the correct line in the first place).
Jones Manoel’s essay is about multiple things, among which is the west being obsessed with purity and fetishizing defeat to the point that they lose sight of tactics and material constraints. It is not him arguing that AES states should do war crimes because the empire does. Here is an example of what he is driving at from the essay:
Another very well known case is that of Vietnam. Everyone supported Vietnam when it was under attack, being destroyed and bombed for over 30 years. Vietnam beat Japan in WW2, then had to fight France, and then had to fight the United States. From 1945 to 1975 it spent 30 straight years without being able to build a damn school or hospital because a bomb from France or the United States would drop and destroy it. When the country was finally able to beat all of the colonial and neocolonial powers and had the opportunity to start planning, to build highways, electrical systems, schools and universities without having bombs land on them the next day and destroy everything that was being done, the country was abandoned by the majority of the left. It lost its charm, it lost its enchantment.
In other words, when a people are weak and victimized, then western Marxists will support it. When they are managing a sovereign socialist project and making mistakes of their own accord, then some of these same Marxists will suddenly become shy and heavily critical, saying that the country has lost its way, is tyrannical, is doing a bad job, etc.
You claim this is about tactics, but people generally use limited weaponry on military targets for a reason; not just because they’re trying to be ethical, but because if you blow a limited stock on civilian infrastructure with the intent to maximize casualties and without dismantling military infrastructure, the enemy may still be readily able to attack you and you will probably harden their resolve to fight to the last one standing. Colonialist thinking is not “smart” militarily in this way, it is brutal and genocidal and often relies on having a military edge over its opponent, so that anything can be a target and it still won’t run out of munitions or suffer meaningful retaliation. It appears that it is right now stuck in the same mindset in spite of the fact that Iran is capable of damaging it militarily and has already done so.
Second, as we can see (an example is recently posted in this thread: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11042011/7910365), Iran is willing to retaliate in the form of attacking some industrial infrastructure that is not strictly military, but with evacuation warnings first. So far, Iran’s strategy appears fairly consistent with the idea of: 1) Primary: target “hard power” colonial/imperial military bases in the region, targeted strikes of military in a hotel or embassy, that sort of thing; 2) Secondary: some limited targeting of “soft power” under the right circumstances, e.g. industry, but with focus on destroying the tools rather than targeting people who happen to work there, and 3) Indirectly, via blocking the strait and making oil prices spike, hit the capitalist where it cares the most (the pocketbook). Don’t let a single headline induce despair and the belief that Iran needs to divert from a strategy they surely have been planning and trialing for a long time.
As a final point, you’re not wrong about history being written by the victors, to a point, but it’s also sometimes written by the marginalized too in response to the victors writing it deceptively (ex: post Civil War US tried to whitewash slavery in classrooms in some parts of the country, but I think it’s clear in retrospect that while its deception had some success, it was also highly limited in reach). You can’t Men in Black memory wipe on a conflict this publicized and Iran is not going to take over the world and all of its media and schooling so it can control all narrative. That’s the type of thing the western empire tries to do and we know it doesn’t work forever and effectively in every way because things have internal contradictions to them.
I believe you mean well or my response would be, well… different. This is my high effort attempt to go through it with a fine-tooth comb, fairly. Please take it in the spirit of that. And please understand that when I speak of taking a break, I’m not trying to imply that you are incapable of good judgment. You are clearly capable of analyzing. But sometimes (and I am speaking from my own experience) closeness of engagement with a thing can lead to such tunnel-visioning that it becomes hard to step back and look at the bigger picture of it.
Thank you for being patient. This morning I woke up to the news that distant cousins of mine were executed in the West Bank.
You can make rational arguments, but I am at the point that I just want revenge. They’ve been massacring for almost a century now, nobody in their society is innocent. I don’t care if I sound crazy saying this, I would side with the devil if it meant wiping them off the map.
Stink, as someone who also is following this war with constant updates, I understand your frustration and your desire for imperialist blood.
However, I will share with you a simple sentiment that I have found in the Iranian Telegram channels that I am currently subscribed and that is: “We are not like them”.
It is simple yet powerful. We are not like those imperialists/fascists/zionists. We are not like those beast so we don’t need to fight like those beasts. Beasts like them are inhumane and genocidal. They don’t even care for their own people -> https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11040580
They only worry about profits and plundering the world. That’s the place where we have to fight. We will defang the tiger and take their teeth away which will nullify their way of harm.
Trust in the resistance and, if you have the means to help, please do! Even joining a solidarity rally and humanizing our fellow Iranian comrades suffering aggression is a great initiative.
Don’t stay idle and don’t keep this anger to yourself. Use it as fuel to stir the world into the desire for this genocidal empire to end.
Thank you, you’re right. Not gonna edit my posts though I want everyone to see my crashout and learn from it
I’m so sorry to hear that. Just know that we (in the lemmygrad community) are here if you need to talk about it. I know talking is never going to take the pain away on a thing like that, but it can be a help as opposed to being alone in it. I don’t have experience with that kind of grief, but I do have some experience with loss and I know words can feel kind of hollow after. I just remember that it’s important to look after yourself in those moments.
Thank you for being here. 🫂
Thank you friend
Leftists don’t condemn retaliation, libs do. Iran has every right to fight back because the war was unprovoked. Israel kills ambulance drivers as a policy, if Iran doesn’t follow suit that gives them the moral high ground. Don’t attack schools, don’t murder journalists, don’t bomb hospitals and retain your humanity. History will be the judge.
History is written by the victors. Who cares if 100 years from now some kid on the internet cares that I restrained myself if that restraint led to my obliteration.
https://redsails.org/western-marxism-and-christianity/
Feels like we’ve never resolved our defeat fetishism
What does Iran gain from a moral high ground? The EU and the UN have all still vilified Iran for their retaliatory strikes, moral high ground doesn’t mean shit to these rapid dog nations.
“israelis” have never felt true fear in their lives, they’re dancing in night clubs right now, a settler colony does not have the same resolve as a nation made up of people with nowhere else to go.
I don’t think targeting civilians in that manner helps Iran militarily. And it poses risks for further escalation from the zionists.
What further escalations? They are bombing schools and hospitals already. Zionist exceptionalism, let my enemy kill my children and elderly, I will not have a red line!
Nukes
I’m not sure about that. I mean, I guess I wouldn’t condemn Iran for doing so and it’d be understandable, but i feel like attacking hospitals and schools crosses a line. Not to mention that this would probably harden the Israeli population rather than demoralize them. Otherwise there are better targets to hit with missiles
I agree with this. Like I’m not willing to kill kids, I’m not surprised if Iranian soldiers feel the same
It’s a form of limited non-nuclear MAD. If you show your opponent that you will respond to their actions in kind, it forces them to consider equal or great retaliation when calculating the benefit of any given action. If they attack air defense, their air defense will be attacked. If they attack civilians, their civilians will be attacked. We’d all be better off if the agressor stopped attacking altogether, but in the absence of that, proportionate response seems a valid strategy, particularly with the West and its proxies.
This implies that Bibi and the rest of the Israeli government cares about that sort of thing, or worse yet would want Iran to start attack schools and hospitals (which would be another reason why they attack schools and hospitals in the first place). Maybe it’d expend resources in recovery and reconstruction, but how many resources compared to military, logistical, and infrastructural targets? If they did something similar to what Russia is doing in the Ukraine where they attack electrical generators then i could see it, but I think direct strikes would probably be wasteful with Iran’s resources at best if not actively detrimental at worst
Exactly. It would be at best militarily pointless or even counter-productive to the military effort by wasting munitions. And moreover it would play right into the hands of the Zionist-imperialist propaganda.
Look at all of the terror shelling and drone attacks against civilians that Ukraine constantly engages in. Has that helped them militarily in any way, or has it only hardened Russian resolve?
Why is it that Russia has been so insistent to not retaliate in kind against civilians - even though they could inflict much more damage than Ukraine can - and instead responded only with strikes on military targets and dual-use infrastructure?
Because that is how you win wars. You remain disciplined and stick to the plan, especially when it is clear that the plan is working and the enemy is desperately lashing out to try to provoke you into making mistakes.
And also, the importance of the “moral high ground” should not be underestimated. Not in a liberal idealist sense but in considering the real geopolitical implications it has when you can credibly portray yourself as engaging in legitimate and legal self-defense.
The West will try to portray you as the “bad guys” no matter what, but there is a big rest of the world outside of the West and they are not stupid, they can see who the hypocrites are. And finally it is also important for your own population and your soldiers to feel like they are on the side that is acting morally.
but i feel like attacking hospitals and schools crosses a line.
That line was already crossed by the “israelis”, when a line is crossed there are usually consequences, not just words denouncing
Consequences doesn’t have to mean doing the exact same thing back, especially if it’d be strategically unsound. Germans faced consequences for ww2, which did not mean the soviets started putting Germans in concentration camps and gassing them.
Edit: also last time I checked people here didn’t like the Dresden bombings despite the fact that’s exactly what the Germans had been doing to other countries for years
Strategically unsound is the stretch here. The “israelis” and americans obviously do it for a reason, I know we call them the great satan and that they do things for pure evil, but they are also competent.
To insinuate that there is no advantage to bombing a hospital and healthcare workers is something I don’t agree with.
What Iran is doing right now if they don’t retaliate with equal or greater force is letting “israel” demolish their entire healthcare system.
Are we saying that demolishing healthcare systems doesn’t have a strategic advantage here?
To my knowledge, historically, not really.
Just because the US and Israel are doing it doesn’t make it strategically sound. Did bombing aid workers in Afghanistan or carpet bombing Vietnam and North Korea win them those wars? Did the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki defeat japan or did the threat of soviet invasion do that? Did causing a mass famine in an open air concentration camp defeat Hamas?
Let’s put it like this. What advantages can be gained from bombing hospitals and schools? For schools, in my opinion, there is none. None of those people are either in active fighting nor are really going to contribute to fighting in the short term nor long term. If the Israeli military uses schools as bases that’s another thing, but otherwise youre wasting munitions that should be striking radar, government offices, etc.
Hospitals might be a different thing, but youre attacking people who are effectively already incapacitated. There’s also not really a definite goal in attacking either of these institutions. Terror? Terror is an incapacitator, it’s swift and ruthless. But it doesn’t work when you’re not already in control. The Bourgeoisie in China are subjected to a terror because they know any infraction will get them thrown in jail or worse. But terror on a military scale doesn’t really work, as the terror of the state outweighs the terror of the aircraft.
Economically it’d be better to attack infrastructure, rail, ports, roadways,etc. When you attack a hospital or a school, beyond complete destruction that place is still somewhat functional as long as the people are still alive. Attacking other places like bases, rail, etc. Can effectively disable certain important things without complete destruction.
The only thing I can think of thatd help is that Israel would have to spread their forces to protect these targets too. Assuming they do want to protect them of course. However in any case it’s not a decisions to take lightly or throw your hands up and say “eh whatever.”
Lastly, i do want to point out that, so far to my knowledge, Iran isn’t intentionally attacking these locations despite all of this. If I’m wrong please let me know but if I’m not then I feel this is a bit of a moot conversation
We should also consider that Iran does not have infinite missile capacity. Hitting bases and infrastructure do much more to harm the entity than hospitals and schools.
I think part of the reason the Israelis do this is because they have infinite ordnance to spend. There’s nothing to hit in Iran except civilian sites.
I don’t think hitting hospitals achieves anything other than wasting missiles ( and causing unnecessary suffering, of course). The zionists do this because they like killing the innocent, and because they are losing hard, and so are attempting to sow instability (which isn’t working, as Iranians are coming out every day in support of their government).
I’m more in support of iran saving up in case other imperial core countries decide to join in.
It also hardens support for the aggression. If Iran hits a hospital every family member and friend effected is more ready to put their body on the alter to get revenge.
🇮🇷 Spokesperson for Iran’s Khatam al‑Anbiya Central Headquarters warns:
Following previous warnings, any attack on Iran’s fuel or energy infrastructure will trigger strikes on all U.S. and Israeli energy, IT, and desalination facilities in the region.
🇮🇷🇺🇸🇮🇱| BREAKING: Footage circulating online shows a pilot parachuting after ejecting its figher jet.
Considering the accents I hear in the video, this is a Lur accent, so it must be in Lorestan province of Iran
@FotrosResistancee
Video in https://t.me/FotrosResistancee/20135
There were rumours this was a drone recovery chute (possibly the same line of thinking that all US ships and planes in the area happened to have mysterious malfunctions I’m not sure).
If this is a US pilot Trump just got his latest McClusterfuck burger delivered.
Might Iran get a POW out of this?
🇮🇷| Iran’s IRGC has issued another warning to US-affiliated industries in the region and calls on workers to evacuate.
The IRGC says it will attack these industries in the coming hours.
The evacuation warning is meant for civilians not to get hurt, something Iranian industry workers did not get.
@FotrosResistancee
Source -> https://t.me/FotrosResistancee/20153
Compare this to US military & IDF aiming to kill kids
I never expected to see something like this.
For some reason US intelligence is obsessed with this stuff. Even back in the OSS days where they wanted to give hitler hrt
Are we back in the 2000s?? lmfao
🇰🇼🇺🇸🇮🇷| Kuwait is the only Arab country that acknowledges failure to intercept missiles/drones.
4 drones were launched, only one was intercepted and the other 3 impacted.
@FotrosResistancee
Source -> https://t.me/FotrosResistancee/20154
That’s so wild, yet they somehow were able to “accidentally” shoot down four F-15s!
🇺🇸The oil tankers seized by Trump are costing the US tens of millions of dollars, - NYT
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The US campaign to seize oil tankers transporting oil from countries under US sanctions has turned out to be much more expensive than expected.
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The maintenance of just one tanker, Skipper, has already cost the US 47 million dollars over three months, with the cost of the ship itself estimated at around 10 million dollars.
Source -> https://t.me/Slavyangrad/158776
It really says something when you are losing money by committing piracy
I’m actually cackling at this 💀
Blackbeard rolling in his grave rn.
doesn’t matter. they just print the money because they are the dollar.
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It’s unbelievable, but true. Trump refused to say he’d defeated Iran.
“Are you ready to officially declare victory?”
“No, I don’t want to do that. There’s no need. I’m simply saying they’ve been routed, but I wouldn’t declare victory.”
Video in -> https://t.me/Slavyangrad/158780
Trump stated that NATO countries should help the US secure the Strait of Hormuz because the US is helping them with the war in Ukraine.
‘We’re always with NATO. We’re helping them with Ukraine, but we’re separated by an ocean. It’s none of our business, but we’ve helped them. It would be interesting to see which country wouldn’t help us with something as small as ensuring freedom of navigation. It’s small because Iran has very little firepower left.’
Video in https://t.me/Slavyangrad/158777
If its such a small risk maybe send the USS abe Lincoln through, prove its safe
It’d be the second time in history Abe Lincoln got a hole shot through it
One of the most controversial parameters discussed in the context of an attack on Iran remains the reduction in the number of ballistic missile and drone launches.
📢 Even major and well-known analysts, observing a decrease in the number of launches, conclude that Iran is supposedly running out of missiles. However, in such conflicts, a reduction in the volume of strikes often means a change in tactics, not an exhaustion of resources. Supplies do not disappear overnight. The scheme of attacks changes.
📡 This may indicate a transition from demonstrative and intensive strikes to a more selective use of strike means. At the first stage of the conflict, missiles and drones are often used to overload air defense systems and test the enemy’s reaction. When the main parameters of defense become clear, strikes may become less frequent, but more accurate and targeted. Satellite data, which Iran, obviously, receives from somewhere, also play a significant role in this.
📍In addition, another possibility cannot be ruled out. Iran may deliberately accumulate strike means for a more large-scale phase of the campaign or to synchronize strikes with the actions of allied formations in the region. In this case, pauses between waves of attacks become part of the planning, not a sign of weakening.
Moreover, Iran’s opponents, primarily the USA, have a limited number of modern interception systems in the region. Each interceptor missile costs orders of magnitude more than the launched drones and missiles. Therefore, less frequent but combined strikes may be more economically and tactically advantageous than constant mass launches.
📝 In other words, a reduction in the number of launches in itself says almost nothing about the real state of the arsenals. It is much more important to observe the change in the structure of strikes, the choice of targets, and how these attacks fit into the overall strategy of the conflict. In such wars, it is often the evolution of tactics that is more indicative than the statistics of launches.
Source -> https://t.me/Slavyangrad/158766
Imagine watching a fighter kick his opponent in the ribs while he is down and saying “He threw more punches at the start of the fight. He must be exhausted because he is only kicking once every three seconds.”
Even major and well-known analysts, observing a decrease in the number of launches, conclude that Iran is supposedly running out of missiles.
The west has spread positivism to the level of a plague.
(Thank you so much rainpizza for the updates here on lemmygrad)
Glad that I could help!
I think this is also missing a critical piece - the interaction between force projection and intelligence.
Iran went hard out of the gate to disable significant portions of enemy military installations, and the US pulled a lot of materiel out in response. If the high value assets are moved out of reach, and Iran knows it, then there’s fewer high value targets to hit.
But also, by lulling the enemy into a false sense of security, the enemy can be induced to engage in activities that otherwise they would not. Things like repair, recovery, or even potential cases of hardened underground facilities becoming activated and thus revealing themselves. Iran may be observing the enemy to see where they move their attention when the threat is reduced, which provides them with invaluable intelligence.
As much as I would love this to be true, it’s also important to recognise that Mossad has many spies in Iran and they have been relentlessly bombing any military production, storage and launchers they can locate.
It’s highly likely this has had an impact on Iran’s ballistic missile and drone launching and production capabilities. Hopefully they still have enough juice in the tank to see this thing out though.
it’s also important to recognise that Mossad has many spies in Iran
Mossad does not have as much agents as they did at the beginning of the year with the manufactured and failed attempt of a color revolution. Plenty of agents were swept away and executed like a burned candle.
As for the Iran’s production capabilities, I am more inclined to believe the professor Seyed Marandi:
- [March 12] In the past four days, attacks by the US and Israeli regimes on relief centers, hospitals, and medical facilities have significantly increased. They are compensating for their failure on the battlefield by taking revenge on the people.
I haven’t posted as much of those attack because some are horrible images. However, it is true that Usrael have increased attacks on vital centers so it makes sense that the USA is focusing in a “scorched earth” tactic because it has failed to reduce Iran’s military capabilities.
The images are indeed horrifying, however they only serve to tighten the noose around the imperialists necks.
Over 16 days, the IRGC launched at least 3,586 drones and missiles at countries in the Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia now ranks third.
🇦🇪 United Arab Emirates: 313 missiles and 1,606 drones (53.5%)
🇰🇼 Kuwait: 243 missiles and 473 drones (20.0%)
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia: 34 missiles and 309 drones (9.6%)
🇧🇭 Bahrain: 125 missiles and 212 drones (9.4%)
🇶🇦 Qatar: 170 missiles and 81+ drones (7.1%)
🇴🇲 Oman: 18+ drones (0.5%)
Source -> https://t.me/Slavyangrad/158773
⚡️🚨 Message from Ali Larijani, Secretary of Iran’s National Security Council, to the Islamic world.
In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
To Muslims around the world and to the governments of Islamic nations:
Iran was subjected to a deceptive American-Zionist aggression that took place during negotiations, the goal of which was to dismantle Iran. This aggression led to the martyrdom of the great and devoted leader of the Islamic Revolution, along with a number of civilians and military commanders. However, the aggressors faced solid national and Islamic resistance from the Iranian people.
You know that, with the exception of rare cases and within the limits of political positions only, no Islamic state stood by the Iranian people. Yet the Iranian people, through their strong will, were able to suppress the aggressive enemy until it became today incapable of finding a way out of this strategic deadlock.
Iran is proceeding on the path of resistance in confronting the Great Satan and the Lesser Satan — America and Israel. But is the position of some Islamic governments not contradictory to the saying of the Prophet ﷺ: “Whoever hears a man calling out: O Muslims! and does not respond, is not a Muslim”? What kind of Islam is this?
Some countries went even further, saying that Iran has become an enemy to them because it targeted American bases and American and Israeli interests on their soil. Should Iran be asked to stand with its hands tied while American bases on your lands are used to attack it? These are hollow pretexts. The confrontation today is between America and Israel on one side, and Iran, the Muslim nations, and the resistance forces on the other. Which side do you stand on?
Think about the future of the Islamic world. You know that America has no loyalty to you and that Israel is your enemy. Stop for a moment and reflect on yourselves and on the future of the region. Iran is a sincere advisor to you and does not seek dominance over you.
The unity of the Islamic Ummah, if achieved in full force, is capable of guaranteeing security, progress, and independence for all its nations.
And peace be upon you.
A servant of God, Ali Larijani
Original: https://xcancel.com/alilarijani_ir/status/2033552693759787104#m
Translation by Midde East Observer
See this is how you call for regime change.
