• Rusty@lemmy.ca
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      Leto II mentioned that Paul also saw the Golden Path, but was too weak to implement it and instead went into the desert as the Preacher. It wasn’t mentioned that worm transformation was required for the Golden Path to succeed, but it gave Leto longevity to oversee it.

      What I’m trying to say is that Paul likely thought about transforming into the worm.

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        My interpretation agrees with you. I suppose it’s possible he only saw the thousands of years of being a tyrant and was rejecting that. But I still think he saw the worm transformation.

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          Major Dune spoilers:

          Isn’t that pretty explicit in Children? Leto II frequently chastises his genetic memory father/actual father for being a coward to afraid to commit to the golden path. Paul saw where the golden path led and couldn’t do it so he becomes the Preacher whereas Leto saw what was needed to guide humanity and thus sacrificed his to become The Tyrant

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            When the preacher saw leto fused with the sand worms he said something to the effect of “so you’ve chosen that path”. Which more than slightly implies he did see the worm part

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        So really this should one of those distribution graph memes where most people in the middle are crying saying it was Leto II while the extreme ends (very dumb and very smart) are saying it’s Paul

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      It’s really getting to me how many people are memeing Paul turning into a worm.

      It feels like it’s a fact that was misinterpreted from one of those “7 CRAZY Things that Happen in the DUNE Novels - You’ll never believe number 6!” Videos. But because they haven’t read the books, they assume it must be Paul that worms out because he’s the Main Character, right?

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      I could swear that he was the one… but also I never even consider reading the books and all my knowledge comes from YT videos and podcasts lol

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        Sorry but that’s not accurate. It is definitely his son. There’s evidence Paul considers it but Leto II is the one who actually merges with the worms

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          It was a joke about how people that don’t read the books still argue with ppl that know, but yeah, to long e crazy for me to read, but the movie is cool

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    A worm? God Emperor. It all goes weird when he splits into sandpuppies though.

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    You skipped a generation. Let’s wait and see who they cast as Leto II and Ghanima for Children Of Dune… if they get there at all.

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    Become a worm, to do what your father was too scared to. Rule as a tyrant for three thousand years to fundamentally shake shit up and keep shit shook up. Die. Shit comes back as if nothing ever happened.

    (I haven’t read Heretics and ChapterHouse for a while)

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      I think the last coming back was a Brian Herbert thing because Frank spent too much time beating his children and not enough telling them that Paul is actually a bad guy.

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    Should we tell them about that time every major character gets reborn as a child clone thousands of years later so they can be chased by 2 beings, one of which is named Marty?

    No, not yet? Ok…

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    This is an absolutely outstanding meme my good fellow hear hear well done and jolly good show what

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    “I can control genital temperature.”

    “Layla had her orgasm.”

    Seriously, Frank and George must’ve been friends at some point (Lucas or R. R. Martin, take your pick, they’re both pervs lol)

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        God Emperor has a lot of super cringey stuff in it. This is, imo, the worst. In addition to being cringey, it is maybe some of the worst writing I have ever seen.

        Basically, Duncan Idaho is climbing this like 3km tall wall for reasons that I won’t get into while Nayla (who is one of Leto II’s weird mutant fanatical female bodyguards/soldiers who he orders to have sex with his enemies/allies for political reasons) gets progressively hornier, saying things like “[if Duncan climbs that wall] I think I’ll have an orgasm”. This goes on for a whole chapter. Like 30+ pages of this iirc. Then Duncan finishes climbing the wall and Hugo and Nebula award winning author Frank Herbert ends this weird horny fanfic of a chapter with “And then Nayla had her orgasm”. The whole thing is ridiculously gratuitous, serves almost no purpose, and drags on in a book that already seriously needed to be edited.

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          I once asked my wife if Jason Momoa could make a woman come just by climbing a mountain. They said yes, so I guess he was perfectly cast.

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            A bit shit? Mate I had many long painful arguments about the quality of God Emperor back in the day on Usenet, alt.something.something.dune, The lengths people went to defend it made me realise it’s not just a bit shit, it’s a lot shit, but maybe, deliberately so.

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        Is it perverted to imagine it and unnecessarily put it into a story though? She wasn’t a real person having an orgasm, Dune is fiction lol

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        Also Leto the Second is Pauls second son named Leto not because he’s the second Leto Atreides after Paul’s father just add more confusion

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          He is technically the second person named Leto Atreides. Paul’s first son was named in the Fremen custom, which lacks surnames.

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        Who are those people i just watched dune 1 a couple of years ago and have aldready forgot most of it the movie was’nt that good

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          Paul is the dude in the picture, the Duke’s son.
          Leto II. isn’t in those movies, he is the son of Paul and appears later in the books.

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      As others said, not Paul. It’s weird as fuck, completely surreal. But it’s the most amazing book I’ve ever read. The transformation is considered weird as fuck by the characters in the book too, but it allows Frank to explore some truly unique and interesting ideas.

      I don’t think I will ever again have a literary experience as satisfying as reading that book.

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        Dune gets weird toward the end. Then each book is progressively weirder and simultaneously awesome.

        Don’t think we’ll get anything beyond God Emperor though :/

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            Which is sad, but it’s a good concluding point - Paul is blinded by the Stone Burners, and leaves the crusades to it’s end, and as a fremen follows the fremen tradition of being blind, and leaves into the desert.

            But then if he decides nah he wants to answer “what next” would be fantastic too