As reported by Guangzhou Daily, Lin Zhiyong, the chairman of a company that makes paper for various devices, told his workers that their year-end bonuses had been...
Did anyone read the article?!? 100% bonus is 1 mile a day. That’s a 20 minute walk per day. Not a jog. A walk.
This is not asking you to train for an ultra marathon. This is not a HIIT program aimed for cardiovascular improvement. A simple walk. Hell, grocery shopping or going to the mall is likely more intensive. I bet the bathroom breaks and fridge trips add up to 20 minutes a day.
Now that is not to say that there are legitimate situations in which exceptions could be made. Hell, I bet the company does and the media writer neglected to include in order to make it more “controversial”. My point is. Laziness is not a disability. A 20 minute walk is probably good for you if you plan to live past 50.
Reading further, walking is only counted at a 0.3 : 1 ratio of distance, for no conceivable reason. So you can run for ~12 minutes or walk for ~1 hr, it seems.
But why should my bonus be tied to something that is not at all related to my work? Should I get a pay cut if I eat a Dorito? Am I worthy enough of a pittance, CEO? Or should I be jumping through literal hoops?
I am aware but without other data points I am not convinced you can police that. Otherwise they need to set minimum pace and/or heart rate minimums to measure exertion. What is a run vs a walk is drastically different between athletic ability, age, sex, etc. all the article says is distance so without more detail I am not convinced that the ratio holds water.
It’s a bonus. It’s not your salary. Bonuses are often not even measured in quality of work and a lot of time networking and impression plays a strong role in who gets what. Is that part of your job? Yes and no. Bonuses are not entitled. Don’t treat it as such. If you would prefer kissing ass is a better way to get a bonus then do that instead. You have freedom of choice. Don’t make it sound like this is an ultimatum.
Is it overstepping? If the bonus criteria aren’t laid out in the compensation package at the time of hiring, it’s petty much whatever they want, provided they can find a suitable way to accommodate employees that would be at a disadvantage due to protected class.
I wonder how they are ensuring the collected data is accurate.
Edit: If it’s just a fitness app, then I’m crushing it on the daily just existing, and I am not a fit man. Hell, I’d be getting a 130% bonus.
Absolutely it is. Anything that is not related to my job performance is none of my employer’s business and should be off the table when it comes to determining compensation or bonuses.
The boss believes their employees’ fitness is a direct correlation to the success of the company, which makes it related to their job performance.
I agree this is a strange belief to be held by an employer. The business gets to define the relevance, especially if they are gonna base so much of your compensation off of it.
I’m sure there are lots of ways bosses might want their employees to change in their personal lives because it might benefit the company. But that’s the part that’s overstepping.
The overall health of a workforce affects health insurance rates and every employee. The more unhealthy a workforce is, the more money comes out of your check for insurance. This is why wellness programs exist at companies.
It’s a bonus. It’s not guaranteed income. You are not entitled to it. The owner likely cares passionately about their employees and wants to see them become better versions of themselves and is willing to put pay money on the line. Yet, the SJWs of America come out of the wood work to berate an idea of trying to move a little bit more and use “disabilities” as a shield to trying to do something that is healthy for you.
If this opportunity was present to you and you were that offended by the change. Quit. You are not a slave. You have the freedom of choice. A gig in which I am incentivized to try and be a bit healthier isn’t evil. It’s evil to try and reduce society down to a lesser version of itself because it’s easier to complain with your fingers than it is to try and do something better for yourself.
Yet, the SJWs of America come out of the wood work to berate an idea of trying to move a little bit more and use “disabilities” as a shield to trying to do something that is healthy for
I assumed you were addressing me and my point since you posted your comment as a direct response to me and my comment. That is usually how internet comments work.
If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out
A better motivator would be giving credit for improvements rather than requiring the same of all regardless of age, fitness level, and disability. The only thing this would motivate me to do is find another job.
One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking.
Walking only counts for 0.3 of jogging, so it is 3.33 miles of walking
My doctor has specifically advised against jogging due to the impact on my knees.
62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day.
Math isn’t your strong suit, huh? That is over 2 miles a day, Or 6.67 miles if you walk.
Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?
You miss the point. It may be easy for you, but it is not easy for everyone.
If you have a condition that prevents you from moving/ elevated heart rate, chances are you not working and already on disability. The % of people that fall into this camp are the vast minority. Also this is a Chinese company. It’s not America. That number even drives lower since the obesity rate in question isn’t 40%. Again, if there is 1 person who falls into this camp, I bet you can make an exception to the rule.
I understand the article says this but how do you police it. Put your fitness tracker to “Outdoor run” and call it day. Unless there are stricter measurements around heart rate and minimum speeds I don’t fully buy this.
So start. If a company is going to incentivize you to not be a slob maybe just go do it. Life isn’t fair. Stop making excuses and be a better version of yourself.
The top bracket is double the effort for only 30% the return.
Idk, maybe they want their employees to not die of heart failure at 40 and see them grow to be old and successful.
Buddy I can walk just fine but if you ask my hypermobile and asthmatic ass to run, I’m just not going to. I can’t. My legs and lungs are fucked up. Guess I don’t get the extra bonus, oh well. Sucks.
If you’re heavy, running can be a real challenge. ‘Promoting fitness’ isn’t done through a braindead scheme like this. Not for people who need guidance and help to get into a body shape they can be happy and healthy in.
You know who will get the extra bonus? Healthy people who are able to run, and who have no health conditions to begin with.
You are really, really underestimating the range of disabilities people can have while they can still function at their jobs. And how this braindead scheme excludes people for things outside of their control.
And also, ‘not be a slob’. Am I a slob because I can’t just run a mile? You take my legs that bend like a silly straw and my lungs that collapse in on themselves and feel like they’re filled with cat litter that is on fire, and see if you run a mile.
Lmao NO. Disabled people work. We have this whole law about it and everything in the United States where employers have to provide reasonable accommodations and allow you time off work without compromising your job status.
I’m disabled. I work full time. I could not fulfill these exercise requirements, but I can hold down a job. That is not a rare category of human being.
We should have universal healthcare, not this nonsense from a private employer.
If you have a condition that prevents you from moving/ elevated heart rate, chances are you not working and already on disability.
Ah, no. Plenty of us work. Desk jobs exist. I sit at one now. I have been told by my doctor I should not jog or run due to the impact to my knees.
I understand the article says this but how do you police it. Put your fitness tracker to “Outdoor run” and call it day. Unless there are stricter measurements around heart rate and minimum speeds I don’t fully buy this.
So you don’t know how they police it, but 1 sentence later you see how easy it is to police.
So start. If a company is going to incentivize you to not be a slob maybe just go do it. Life isn’t fair. Stop making excuses and be a better version of yourself.
Ah, the old “life isn’t fair” copout. Why should we not do our best to be fair?
Idk, maybe they want their employees to not die of heart failure at 40 and see them grow to be old and successful.
Ah, yes, because there is no daylight between the binary options of heart failure at 40 and growing old.
Did anyone read the article?!? 100% bonus is 1 mile a day. That’s a 20 minute walk per day. Not a jog. A walk.
This is not asking you to train for an ultra marathon. This is not a HIIT program aimed for cardiovascular improvement. A simple walk. Hell, grocery shopping or going to the mall is likely more intensive. I bet the bathroom breaks and fridge trips add up to 20 minutes a day.
Now that is not to say that there are legitimate situations in which exceptions could be made. Hell, I bet the company does and the media writer neglected to include in order to make it more “controversial”. My point is. Laziness is not a disability. A 20 minute walk is probably good for you if you plan to live past 50.
Reading further, walking is only counted at a 0.3 : 1 ratio of distance, for no conceivable reason. So you can run for ~12 minutes or walk for ~1 hr, it seems.
But why should my bonus be tied to something that is not at all related to my work? Should I get a pay cut if I eat a Dorito? Am I worthy enough of a pittance, CEO? Or should I be jumping through literal hoops?
I am aware but without other data points I am not convinced you can police that. Otherwise they need to set minimum pace and/or heart rate minimums to measure exertion. What is a run vs a walk is drastically different between athletic ability, age, sex, etc. all the article says is distance so without more detail I am not convinced that the ratio holds water.
It’s a bonus. It’s not your salary. Bonuses are often not even measured in quality of work and a lot of time networking and impression plays a strong role in who gets what. Is that part of your job? Yes and no. Bonuses are not entitled. Don’t treat it as such. If you would prefer kissing ass is a better way to get a bonus then do that instead. You have freedom of choice. Don’t make it sound like this is an ultimatum.
The issue isn’t whether it’s a healthy idea. The issue is that the employer is overstepping personal and professional boundaries.
Is it overstepping? If the bonus criteria aren’t laid out in the compensation package at the time of hiring, it’s petty much whatever they want, provided they can find a suitable way to accommodate employees that would be at a disadvantage due to protected class.
I wonder how they are ensuring the collected data is accurate.
Edit: If it’s just a fitness app, then I’m crushing it on the daily just existing, and I am not a fit man. Hell, I’d be getting a 130% bonus.
Absolutely it is. Anything that is not related to my job performance is none of my employer’s business and should be off the table when it comes to determining compensation or bonuses.
The boss believes their employees’ fitness is a direct correlation to the success of the company, which makes it related to their job performance.
I agree this is a strange belief to be held by an employer. The business gets to define the relevance, especially if they are gonna base so much of your compensation off of it.
I’m sure there are lots of ways bosses might want their employees to change in their personal lives because it might benefit the company. But that’s the part that’s overstepping.
What if you got a bonus for taking an external training? Still no? This seems like a weirdly hard line to draw fo a bonus
Training in a job related field is actually related to job performance.
But it’s not really about the bonus. It’s about the boundaries. I see no problem with setting hard boundaries between personal life and work life.
The overall health of a workforce affects health insurance rates and every employee. The more unhealthy a workforce is, the more money comes out of your check for insurance. This is why wellness programs exist at companies.
Just because it’s good for the company does not mean it’s not overstepping boundaries.
It’s a bonus. It’s not guaranteed income. You are not entitled to it. The owner likely cares passionately about their employees and wants to see them become better versions of themselves and is willing to put pay money on the line. Yet, the SJWs of America come out of the wood work to berate an idea of trying to move a little bit more and use “disabilities” as a shield to trying to do something that is healthy for you.
If this opportunity was present to you and you were that offended by the change. Quit. You are not a slave. You have the freedom of choice. A gig in which I am incentivized to try and be a bit healthier isn’t evil. It’s evil to try and reduce society down to a lesser version of itself because it’s easier to complain with your fingers than it is to try and do something better for yourself.
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I haven’t said anything about disabilities.
I didn’t say you were the SJW. Your point?
I assumed you were addressing me and my point since you posted your comment as a direct response to me and my comment. That is usually how internet comments work.
Thank you for clarifying.
Usually*. Guess the internet is forever broken then.
Oh, grow up.
First, disabled people exist.
Second, the article makes it clear walking only counts for 30% credit.
Third, if you are not doing it, starting can be very difficult.
Fourth, the top bonus requires 62 miles per month.
Last, why should there be a bonus based on something unrelated to your work?
If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out
One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking. If you can’t do that then quite honestly you’re not in any sort of good shape.
62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day. If you’re not walking at least a mile a day you are doing your body a massive disservice
Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?
A better motivator would be giving credit for improvements rather than requiring the same of all regardless of age, fitness level, and disability. The only thing this would motivate me to do is find another job.
Walking only counts for 0.3 of jogging, so it is 3.33 miles of walking
My doctor has specifically advised against jogging due to the impact on my knees.
Math isn’t your strong suit, huh? That is over 2 miles a day, Or 6.67 miles if you walk.
You miss the point. It may be easy for you, but it is not easy for everyone.
If you have a condition that prevents you from moving/ elevated heart rate, chances are you not working and already on disability. The % of people that fall into this camp are the vast minority. Also this is a Chinese company. It’s not America. That number even drives lower since the obesity rate in question isn’t 40%. Again, if there is 1 person who falls into this camp, I bet you can make an exception to the rule.
I understand the article says this but how do you police it. Put your fitness tracker to “Outdoor run” and call it day. Unless there are stricter measurements around heart rate and minimum speeds I don’t fully buy this.
So start. If a company is going to incentivize you to not be a slob maybe just go do it. Life isn’t fair. Stop making excuses and be a better version of yourself.
The top bracket is double the effort for only 30% the return.
Idk, maybe they want their employees to not die of heart failure at 40 and see them grow to be old and successful.
‘Prevents you from moving’
Buddy I can walk just fine but if you ask my hypermobile and asthmatic ass to run, I’m just not going to. I can’t. My legs and lungs are fucked up. Guess I don’t get the extra bonus, oh well. Sucks.
If you’re heavy, running can be a real challenge. ‘Promoting fitness’ isn’t done through a braindead scheme like this. Not for people who need guidance and help to get into a body shape they can be happy and healthy in.
You know who will get the extra bonus? Healthy people who are able to run, and who have no health conditions to begin with.
You are really, really underestimating the range of disabilities people can have while they can still function at their jobs. And how this braindead scheme excludes people for things outside of their control.
And also, ‘not be a slob’. Am I a slob because I can’t just run a mile? You take my legs that bend like a silly straw and my lungs that collapse in on themselves and feel like they’re filled with cat litter that is on fire, and see if you run a mile.
Jfc calling us slobs. Go fuck yourself.
You neglected to not read the entire point around me agreeing with the need for exceptions but okay. Trigger yourself and read what you want to read.
Edit: you also missed the entire point around heart rate as a whole. Ie there are many ways to improve your cardiovascular system. Re read.
I’m disabled. I work full time. I could not fulfill these exercise requirements, but I can hold down a job. That is not a rare category of human being.
We should have universal healthcare, not this nonsense from a private employer.
Ah, no. Plenty of us work. Desk jobs exist. I sit at one now. I have been told by my doctor I should not jog or run due to the impact to my knees.
So you don’t know how they police it, but 1 sentence later you see how easy it is to police.
Ah, the old “life isn’t fair” copout. Why should we not do our best to be fair?
Ah, yes, because there is no daylight between the binary options of heart failure at 40 and growing old.
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