Carney should send a thank you note to Trump for helping him win the election
Sky news spin: haha, Carney was actually Trump’s win! I can’t make this shit up (but apparently Sky news can…)
Daddy hasn’t told them what to say yet and these kinds of outlets don’t know how to think for themselves anymore. And at this point it’s pretty much all news outlets based out of the US don’t know what to say without him.
You’d have to be trying hard to forget your media literacy to think that was spin.
It’s a device that’s saying the Trump issue is the major one in the election. Trump, and how voters feel about him, is what is driving one party or the other to victory.
I did read the article and indeed the content is about what you say. On the other hand, I don’t know if titling this as “Canada might be the second election Trump wins in six months” is an attempt at sarcasm, click-bait or spin (pretending not to know the number of people who will only ever read the title). It’s sad that I now I jump directly to believing the latter so I do hope that I’m wrong
lol suck it conservaturds.
thank you, canada, for not following america’s path to ruin.
Yet. Stay vigilant
I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
There should be a bingo sheet.
Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.
I’ll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn’t actually give a shit about canada (unless they’re told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they’ll just forget. Like they’ve all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how ‘canada is killing the US garment industry’ that one was cute…). At this point he’s got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he’s declared a solved issue?
I think it would depend on whether Canada’s new government is willing to play ball. If they’re not willing to kiss Trump’s ass and give America the preferential treatment that he’s trying to extort from the country, there’s going to be more than just a one-off passing comment about it. Probably a woe-is-me “Canada is taking advantage of us” campaign, I reckon.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
- “this country is a disgrace”
- " sad day for canada"
- “fucking rigged!”
- “west time to become 51st state”
- “alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!”
- “time to secede”
- “trump will save alberta”
- " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
- “time to leave”
- accusations of Chinese meddling
- accusaions of European meddling
- accusations of Globalist meddling
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
Not the flying kind!
The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc’s help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party’s more progressive policies.
That’s our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
If only they would embrace nuclear!
Atm we got it, this is the magic sweet spot where we want to be
172 seats exactly with lib+ndp+green
and conservatives can’t even threaten a vote of non confidence with bloc’s help. (1 vote short)
But they could trigger it with that 1 green seat’s help, which means liberals have to stay on the good side of that 1 green seat XD
How is the green party in canada? Actually good or like in the US?
Not as wacko as in the US, but they had some weird new age candidates at some point.
You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the federal Greens spent the last several years destroying itself through infighting. Remember the leader that was elected to replace the long suffering Elizabeth May who then stole a bunch of money, started a bunch of law suits against the party and then May had to take back over under a joint leadership?
They’re a novelty party, not a party of governance.
(I have voted Green several times, but never again in their current arrangement)
Sure, but go check what the US Green party is to compare and you’ll realize that the Canadian party isn’t so bad
Using “well at least it’s not as bad in America” in these contexts is both dismissive of valid criticism and also a staggeringly low bar
But if you go check I was replying to someone asking for a comparison.
The 1 seat they got was in the green party stronghold (co leaders home town)
I have zero clue what her platform is, prolly environmentalist tho.
Hopefully there won’t be a Joe Manchin situation where just one of the liberals starts siding with the conservatives on just about everything to negate the majority (though I may be misinterpreting how the system works, I’m not super aware of how Canada’s legislature functions)
I blame Manchin alone for a lot of what we weren’t able to get done under Biden
If any vote ever fails in our government, it triggers an instant re-election. It’s called the Vote of Non Confidence
It’s probably one of the most key parts of why our government is a little bit more resistant to clown-showing, because even a small crack in the parliament triggers a new election.
So bills can only be tabled if the gov is 100% confident it will have the votes.
Which means the conservatives could table a bill if they knew the NDP + Bloc would side with them on it, as then they have the votes to pass it.
But since it’s the NDP, a very progressive party, it means they actually hold that fine balance of mediating power between liberals and conservatives.
It’s pretty solid actually, and makes it so everyone the entire term could pass a reasonable bill.
Pretty sure this last term the conservatives and liberals did agree on some stuff and some bills passed with both approving it, iirc.
I think forcing them to occasionally work together like that helps temper the fascism lol.
Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
Let’s get that last seat! edit: typos
Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.
That’s why I said highly improbable. But if the they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point.
Somehow I don’t see Quebec deciding anything that favors a party that wants everyone to speak English.
I don’t think Quebec will recognize Trump’s rule if he takes control of Canada. It may result in some occupier deaths.
Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
There’s strategic voting going both ways as some people are simply tired of seeing the Liberals in power, they would have been back the following election if the cons had won.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
I don’t think the answer to the corrupting influence of America’s rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What’s the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn’t perfect, but it’s easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with “progressive” politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
That is the sad thing.
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
Go Canada!!
Finally something to celebrate in this general vicinity. Congratulations, Canada.
Most shocking news of 2025
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Really sad about Jagmeet and the NDP wipeout tbh. I know why it happened, but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
Same as universal health care… it was an NDP initiative that the Liberals took nationally.
Without the NDP, our Liberals suck… which is why I am sad after this election (still happy PP won’t be around)
I’m hopeful that it really is just a temporary thing given the Trump situation and with a new leader and that behind us (might take more than 1 term of course) that they’ll be able to come back stronger and make the Liberals advance things they wouldn’t otherwise again. Also you never know, maybe they’ll get some leverage with the current set up, but seems less likely for this term.
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Because he is a weasel… he was in opposition for almost 3 years against Trudeau when Trudeau was toxic and PP was unable to make ONE meager alliance with nobody. We have Jagmeet to thanks because, like me, he could not stomach a PP majority
Jagmeet was getting wiped out regardless. The fatigue that existed for Trudeau was also present for Singh and Pollievre.
“if I’m not mistaken”
That’s how the NDP loses, even someone who seems to have a minimum of interest in politics isn’t sure that it was the NDP that got us that. Yes, they forced Trudeau’s hand on that question.
I’m happy for you Canada.
You succeeded with America couldn’t.
Are y’all accepting asylum for programmers / tech professionals?
Asylum, not yet. There’s still a treat on the books recognising America as equivalently safe. Presumably it will get rolled back soon.
If you’re serious, I can send you to the points quiz for economic immigrants.
What happens when the ‘safe third country’ starts adopting extractionary systems left behind by colonial empires in third world countries? Apparently, the US is attempting to show us how that turns out…
I’d very much appreciate any correspondence you have on the matter. Thank you!
It’s actually gotten really complicated lately, sorry about that. Here’s the quiz for express entry: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/check-score.html
Generally speaking, the highest-scoring applicants get in first. If that fails, maybe there’s some niche provincial program or something, but you’ll probably need to hire an immigration lawyer to have a chance of figuring it out. Here’s a link I found on the other options.
If you do get let in, I recommend driving up in an RV. The housing market in Canada is still really fucked, and that’s a decent fallback option. Winter-safe ones exist, but I also see people building little insulated enclosures, and if you can manage to afford BC it’s not much of an issue anyway.
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Honestly, slums themselves meet that description. People who don’t need them just dislike having to look at or think about them, which is hella elitist.
New buildings won’t mean anything if the wealthy are building and running them (and charging rents). Send a respectful letter to your new government pointing this out!
You know, the actual quantitative evidence is pretty strong that particular market is competitive. If anything, being a landlord is a relatively bad investment of a million dollars. I fully expect that if the NIMBYs don’t derail it, more supply will end the problem.
If you’re serious, start looking for companies hiring up here. As I understand it’s not easy, even for economic class immigrants, but I work in tech and I work with many immigrants (albeit not usually from the US, but it’s a different world now). Mind you - please look carefully into the financial impacts as it is a change from the US. Salaries are lower and taxes generally higher, which may or may not be offset in your context in other ways (healthcare a big one, income tax deductions, etc.) But many people, myself included, prefer Canada regardless of the reduced compensation. It’s not always about money.
I suppose their chances were better if they worked construction or in manufacturing, because that’s where most jobs are open
yes!!
Fuck man, I wish I could afford move to Canada right now.
I can but they won’t let my friends in. I didn’t realize until I looked into it but national borders are actually quite rigid
You’d have to build new roots in a new place. I’ll admit I worry that I’m running out of time for that at my age, or at the very least the window is closing.
Makes me feel pretty depressed. I’m not super happy with the landscape of people I have to interact with. I have a lot of decent friends but I feel like the number of very close friendships I have is zero due to a lot of major value differences and low population.
I’m feeling the same way. I’ve been mostly “stuck” in wherever I just ended up. Part of me really does fantasize about fleeing somewhere better, especially being in a part of the US with an absolutely abysmal education record (and it shows. Oh boy.)
But besides the resources, I don’t have some ultra compelling reason for a non-volatile nation to bother letting me in.
There’s cool people here, and I try to get along with whomever, but forming relationships feels really high stakes these days since contested politics and tribalism is infecting every facet of peoples’ lives.
No one can afford to move to Canada. Our housing prices are stupid.
No different in America, and corporations are buying up homes so they can jack the prices up even higher. MAGA wants a population of renters so that they can control us by threatening us with homelessness.
Even more unaffordable for an American. They need to have bankroll to survive a year without income and that includes covering possible medical expenses for 3 months. I have friends who have wanted to move here for years and the hurdles are large even with skills and secondary education. Only those with highly in demand educated skills get an easier path.
Narrowly.
Are you guys not horrified of what’s happening south? If you interpret this as a win and go on, your country is going to be mega conservative in like a decade.
No, this is an existential crisis, and you need to shut off the propaganda machines before it’s too late.
Quite true. The reason for celebration is that had the conservatives won they were planning to defund our public broadcaster right off the bat. We need all kinds of reforms but having the CBC around to report on them will be quite important.
Agreed. Incumbents always do worse in the next election. Makes me shudder to think what the result of the next election is going to be. Trudeau’s latest term was really bad and they got no punishment for it whatsoever thanks to the gift from the south. And Canada seems to be moving further and further away from proportional representation. So who will voters swing to next election?
Great result for today’s Canadians. Terrifying result for future Canadians.
I would point out though that a CPC win would have been a terrifying result for future AND current Canadians. So I guess that’s a small win?
Look, we’ve had the liberals for ten years now. Theyve won 4 elections at this point. It’s amazing they won anything at all this time.
Justin fatigue was real. Carney coming in, demolishing the only thing the conservative dingdongs were campaigning about and just being overall a very respectable candidate turned things around. Along with the orange monkey down there.
It was still waaaaaaay too close
Too close from whose perspective?
The liberals had no business winning this election. All metrifs pointed to a conservwtive land slide until Trump got involved and Carney seemingly handled him better than Trudeau.
Carney is going to have to perform above average in his first term otherwise the liberals will be absolutely decimated in 4 years.
This is borrowed time. Even an average performance now will guarantee Poilievre a win in 4 years. The Liberals are going to have to get more done in 4 years than they have in the past 10 to prevent that.
Mine,
Conservatives policies aren’t beneficial for the average Canadian. 40% of people voting against, their, and my best interests is not something I like. The cons and pp don’t care about climate change. That affects all of us,they want more American style Healthcare, that affects all of us. They want to lower taxes, great! Where do they get the money to do that? By cutting our services.
Considering the massive lead the conservatives once had it isn’t really ‘that’ close. Liberal gains were astonishing once Carney entered the ring.
40%+ of voters still went for pp. That’s too high, and with our shitty fptp, it made it worse
I don’t know thats its too high especially of it was going to be much more than that if not for Trump’s threats, Trudeau’s resignation and Carney’s ascension.
I believe it to be. It should be a race between the Libs and the ndp
It was mostly Trump. Americans polls did something similar after 9/11. The candidates involved just put it over the top.
What do you mean “narrowly”? It’s a clean victory and the trumpist conservative l’est good own riding.
Liberals projected to hold a slim minority, the NPD was all but annihilated, Liberals will be forced to reach across the isle and work with the BQ.
Are the Bloc easier to work with than the NDP? history suggests no.
Not quite. There’s still enough polls left to report that could lead to a Liberal majority, even if that doesn’t happen (it’s quite unlikely), then current projections are that the NDP will have enough seats to support the minority government, even though the Bloc will hold more seats overall than the NDP.
The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement. This is a good result for those of us who don’t trust a banker to not sell out the working class.
The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement.
Or a less formal agreement, if there is no appetite for a similar arrangement as last time.
Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.
Or a more formal agreement. I’ve heard some complaining about not having any NDP ministers, but I don’t know if that’s mainstream.
Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.
Eh, it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch. Now’s not the time to risk that.
it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch.
I doubt they’ll try to topple the government until the threat of Trump is neutralized. Or at least significantly muted. They have a common goal with the rest of the country on that issue.
Plus, what’s their warchest look like at the moment?
Yeah, I don’t know for sure. I was going off of what Chantal said on CBC, but the again she though the last government would be short lived, too.
The thing is, the Liberals are in a good enough position that they can maintain power with the support of the BQ or the NDP. This gives them some leverage if they tried to play the two parties against each other, and the NDP may be more willing to help given their low head count. Maintaining relevance could be a strong motivating factor. All that said, I hope that Carney instead chooses to build consensus. If he is able to, it will lead to more stability for our country in troubled times and would be a promising indicator of a change to PR electoral reform, which would also cement greater power for Liberals while opening the path for more social progress for Canadians. I’m not optimistic, but a non-career politician may be more inclined in that direction than most others.
It’s after a full decade of Liberal rule. Do you know how hard it is to win after that long being blamed for everyone’s problems? THis is huge.
…the disinformation sphere is real, man: learn from our failure and do what you can to save yourselves before it drags you down, too…the problem won’t go away on its own and will take some hard decisions and harder actions against laissez-faire propaganda…
And damning for Poilievre. He not only had the opportunity to win by banging on the usual triad of “time for a change”, “we need to unleash the economy”, and “tax relief” but he lost his seat in the process. It’s easy to point at the gains the conservatives made, but losing at all after a decade of having another party in place, especially in very difficult times, is impressive. Even if he isn’t ousted or doesn’t step down, he may be seen by the electorate as incapable of bringing home a win.
The only thing I didn’t like about the liberals is the needless gun control they enact that basically banned almost all semi-auto rifles and halted new sales on handguns.
Of course I want them to fucking solve the housing crisis. Holy shit! Finding a place to stay is insane. They better do that at least.
Lets be honest, hand guns were pretty much banned before. Nobody want to call the cops twice every time they go shooting.
No they were not. And you didn’t need to call the cops to go to the shooting range, it is included in the RPAL.
I’m pretty sure if you were moving the gun, you had to call it in.
https://rcmp.ca/en/firearms/firearms-safety-training-transport-and-storage/authorization-transport
Changes to automatic Authorizations to Transport restricted and prohibited firearms were brought into force on July 7, 2021. This change now requires licenced owners of registered firearms to obtain an Authorizations to Transport from the provincial or territorial Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) in order to transport a restricted or prohibited firearm** to any place other than to:**
a. an approved shooting club or shooting range within the owner’s province of residence, or
b. to the firearm’s place of storage after purchase.
Oh, okay. Everyone here just shoots on crown land, so I missed that.
