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    23 days ago

    Trump’s truculence has infuriated Canadians

    That is a 100% new word to me. 😐

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      Having a criminal history would likely make him ineligible.

      There’s no outright rule against it but several people have been removed from the order for committing crimes.

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      24 days ago

      NDP leader already announced he’s stepping down and I feel like the conservative has to as well.

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    Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??

    Really sad about Jagmeet and the NDP wipeout tbh. I know why it happened, but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.

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      Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??

      Because he is a weasel… he was in opposition for almost 3 years against Trudeau when Trudeau was toxic and PP was unable to make ONE meager alliance with nobody. We have Jagmeet to thanks because, like me, he could not stomach a PP majority

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      but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.

      No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.

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        Same as universal health care… it was an NDP initiative that the Liberals took nationally.

        Without the NDP, our Liberals suck… which is why I am sad after this election (still happy PP won’t be around)

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          I’m hopeful that it really is just a temporary thing given the Trump situation and with a new leader and that behind us (might take more than 1 term of course) that they’ll be able to come back stronger and make the Liberals advance things they wouldn’t otherwise again. Also you never know, maybe they’ll get some leverage with the current set up, but seems less likely for this term.

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      “if I’m not mistaken”

      That’s how the NDP loses, even someone who seems to have a minimum of interest in politics isn’t sure that it was the NDP that got us that. Yes, they forced Trudeau’s hand on that question.

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      Jagmeet was getting wiped out regardless. The fatigue that existed for Trudeau was also present for Singh and Pollievre.

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      yes, it is so relieving that this right wing populist trend seems to be failing in our closest neighbor. Hopefully the failure of this administration will wake a lot more places up, and create a greater push back against this trend to the far right.

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    Narrowly.

    Are you guys not horrified of what’s happening south? If you interpret this as a win and go on, your country is going to be mega conservative in like a decade.

    No, this is an existential crisis, and you need to shut off the propaganda machines before it’s too late.

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      Quite true. The reason for celebration is that had the conservatives won they were planning to defund our public broadcaster right off the bat. We need all kinds of reforms but having the CBC around to report on them will be quite important.

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      It’s after a full decade of Liberal rule. Do you know how hard it is to win after that long being blamed for everyone’s problems? THis is huge.

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        And damning for Poilievre. He not only had the opportunity to win by banging on the usual triad of “time for a change”, “we need to unleash the economy”, and “tax relief” but he lost his seat in the process. It’s easy to point at the gains the conservatives made, but losing at all after a decade of having another party in place, especially in very difficult times, is impressive. Even if he isn’t ousted or doesn’t step down, he may be seen by the electorate as incapable of bringing home a win.

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        …the disinformation sphere is real, man: learn from our failure and do what you can to save yourselves before it drags you down, too…the problem won’t go away on its own and will take some hard decisions and harder actions against laissez-faire propaganda…

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      Agreed. Incumbents always do worse in the next election. Makes me shudder to think what the result of the next election is going to be. Trudeau’s latest term was really bad and they got no punishment for it whatsoever thanks to the gift from the south. And Canada seems to be moving further and further away from proportional representation. So who will voters swing to next election?

      Great result for today’s Canadians. Terrifying result for future Canadians.

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        I would point out though that a CPC win would have been a terrifying result for future AND current Canadians. So I guess that’s a small win?

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      Look, we’ve had the liberals for ten years now. Theyve won 4 elections at this point. It’s amazing they won anything at all this time.

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        Justin fatigue was real. Carney coming in, demolishing the only thing the conservative dingdongs were campaigning about and just being overall a very respectable candidate turned things around. Along with the orange monkey down there.

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            Considering the massive lead the conservatives once had it isn’t really ‘that’ close. Liberal gains were astonishing once Carney entered the ring.

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              40%+ of voters still went for pp. That’s too high, and with our shitty fptp, it made it worse

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                I don’t know thats its too high especially of it was going to be much more than that if not for Trump’s threats, Trudeau’s resignation and Carney’s ascension.

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            Too close from whose perspective?

            The liberals had no business winning this election. All metrifs pointed to a conservwtive land slide until Trump got involved and Carney seemingly handled him better than Trudeau.

            Carney is going to have to perform above average in his first term otherwise the liberals will be absolutely decimated in 4 years.

            This is borrowed time. Even an average performance now will guarantee Poilievre a win in 4 years. The Liberals are going to have to get more done in 4 years than they have in the past 10 to prevent that.

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              Mine,

              Conservatives policies aren’t beneficial for the average Canadian. 40% of people voting against, their, and my best interests is not something I like. The cons and pp don’t care about climate change. That affects all of us,they want more American style Healthcare, that affects all of us. They want to lower taxes, great! Where do they get the money to do that? By cutting our services.

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          It was mostly Trump. Americans polls did something similar after 9/11. The candidates involved just put it over the top.

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      24 days ago

      What do you mean “narrowly”? It’s a clean victory and the trumpist conservative l’est good own riding.

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        Liberals projected to hold a slim minority, the NPD was all but annihilated, Liberals will be forced to reach across the isle and work with the BQ.

        Are the Bloc easier to work with than the NDP? history suggests no.

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          The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement. This is a good result for those of us who don’t trust a banker to not sell out the working class.

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            The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement.

            Or a less formal agreement, if there is no appetite for a similar arrangement as last time.

            Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.

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              The thing is, the Liberals are in a good enough position that they can maintain power with the support of the BQ or the NDP. This gives them some leverage if they tried to play the two parties against each other, and the NDP may be more willing to help given their low head count. Maintaining relevance could be a strong motivating factor. All that said, I hope that Carney instead chooses to build consensus. If he is able to, it will lead to more stability for our country in troubled times and would be a promising indicator of a change to PR electoral reform, which would also cement greater power for Liberals while opening the path for more social progress for Canadians. I’m not optimistic, but a non-career politician may be more inclined in that direction than most others.

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              Or a more formal agreement. I’ve heard some complaining about not having any NDP ministers, but I don’t know if that’s mainstream.

              Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.

              Eh, it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch. Now’s not the time to risk that.

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                it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch.

                I doubt they’ll try to topple the government until the threat of Trump is neutralized. Or at least significantly muted. They have a common goal with the rest of the country on that issue.

                Plus, what’s their warchest look like at the moment?

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                  Yeah, I don’t know for sure. I was going off of what Chantal said on CBC, but the again she though the last government would be short lived, too.

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          Not quite. There’s still enough polls left to report that could lead to a Liberal majority, even if that doesn’t happen (it’s quite unlikely), then current projections are that the NDP will have enough seats to support the minority government, even though the Bloc will hold more seats overall than the NDP.

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      Daddy hasn’t told them what to say yet and these kinds of outlets don’t know how to think for themselves anymore. And at this point it’s pretty much all news outlets based out of the US don’t know what to say without him.

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      You’d have to be trying hard to forget your media literacy to think that was spin.

      It’s a device that’s saying the Trump issue is the major one in the election. Trump, and how voters feel about him, is what is driving one party or the other to victory.

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        I did read the article and indeed the content is about what you say. On the other hand, I don’t know if titling this as “Canada might be the second election Trump wins in six months” is an attempt at sarcasm, click-bait or spin (pretending not to know the number of people who will only ever read the title). It’s sad that I now I jump directly to believing the latter so I do hope that I’m wrong

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    Meirdas Touch once again. The orange shit stain backs a Con and all voters take that as a sign that the person is a piece of shit and votes opposite.

    Sometimes it works nicely.

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    Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.

    The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.

    I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.

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    You can predict what likely happens next: more neoliberal policies and degradation of quality of life. In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.

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      This is my fear as well. Neoliberal policies are exactly what have made the extreme right so strong and powerful over the past decades. When people have no means to get forward in life, they resort to despotism, which is exactly why the poorest parts of the USA are so strongly in favor of Trump, while the wealthier parts are still clinging onto the liberal train.

      Like I said in other posts, this is a good day for the current term, but if the Liberals aren’t serious about making life better for real Canadians (not the super-wealthy ones), there’s a good chance that this is only exacerbating an inevitable collapse.

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        This is the part a lot of US liberals are missing. Those red states are shit holes now. Look bombed out and war torn because industry left and took the money with them, and they were thriving 40 years ago.

        A wiser human than me could probably find a way to incentivise companies moving headquarters out of high cost of living areas to more rural areas where rent isn’t half your paycheck.

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          I think ultimately we need to design an economic system that allows less work and less consumption. You want those outsourced jobs to come back but done by robotics. Coming back to stop needing to ship them halfway across the world, wasting energy. But we need to have a clear(er) vision to what we want to transition to. Like a partially planned and circular economy that covers the basic needs (food, living space, education, news, healthcare) for everyone for free. Otherwise there is nothing to believe in.

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          The ‘rust belt’ is over 40 years old now. Places like Detroit have started to stabilize.

          The high cost of living is everywhere. Capital moves in the blink of an eye, setup a company in a small town and it’ll be bought up and rented out before lunch.

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        Yeah neoliberals… the reason they want that is to get cheap laborers. Can’t believe they are so brazen about it.

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          Immigrants = scary 🥺

          Cons seriously need to come up with new talking points, trying to paint Carney as some kind of WEF great replacement agent clearly wasn’t a winning strategy.

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          It isn’t? Drive by Hamilton or any other GTA city, shits unreal how expensive housing is and homeless is more pronounced post-covid since they opened the flood gates and reduced CRS requirements so that anyone with a pulse could get in. They only back pedalled now on resuming policies they had pre-covid, but the damage is already done…

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            They want 100m by the end of the century no? You don’t think we can build infrastructure to support that in 75 years? I wasn’t saying now

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              No I dont think so, because I have lost faith in provincial governments actually realizing that goal. They cater to nimbys and the status quo

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          Narrator: the infrastructure was not there

          Voted liberal, ndp, and green my whole life btw, and spent a decade as a public servant; im not a hate filled person who shits on immigrants, I just want responsible immigration policy, and McKinsey Consulting is evil.

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              The Canadian population rose by almost 20% in the last 5 years. The infrastructure we currently have was not ready for irresponsible immigration policy, and these things need to be done in coordination. I can’t predict the future, but I’m sayin’ my political concerns lie in this decade, not the next century.

              Bad immigration policy also fuels distain towards immigrants, and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that’s a bad thing

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                and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that’s a bad thing

                Yes

                And you’re right to say we have housing issues. Getting rid of rent control was a poor choice in ontario. Corporate landlords are another. We have many vacant homes in Canada that should be filled. There are many things that need to change, and I am hopeful that these changes can be made before canada had 100 million in population

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      In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.

      At least we stopped Maple MAGA from taking over now… we learned this one trick from the Americans