Would have been unbelievable if the US police wouldn’t have a long history of framing people because they are just too buttfuck stupid to do their jobs.
That is their job.
Sounds like fake ass bullshit to me.
Free Luigi yall ain’t got shit no video footage nothing.
“He has read 300 books!!!” Is all i see from clowns supporting this regime.
Luigi was framed.
He also allegedly had the manifesto with him, which makes no sense. Basically they just said “We randomly got a tip for this guy at mc donalds and he happened to have all possible pieces of evidence on him days after making a clean get away” mmm yeeah sure…
My pragmatic theory:
- He is the guy (I’m not saying it’s a bad thing)
- The “anonymous tip” was rather “illegal surveillance/tech us plebs don’t know about”
- Police found the gun and manifesto in NYC, and they planted it on him to ensure an easier conviction
Oof I hate that that is plausible as fuck
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Btw, it’s “Eavesdropping”.
An eavesdropper was someone who would hang from the eave of a building so as to hear what is said within.
Christ, imagine if he really was set up after all this?
Or that the charges don’t stick?
People have been saying since he was announced as a suspect that he didn’t look like the shooter that appeared on the cameras. He sort of looks like him but it’s really not that clear cut that it’s definitely him
Also it couldn’t have been Luigi, he has an alibi. We were hanging out that day.
Mm that’s weird I definitely remember him being at my dad’s birthday party
yeah don’t you remember? you, me, Glimse@lemmy.world, and Luigi were all at your dad’s birthday party since the night before, we even helped get it set up.
How could he have planned a murder if we were so busy setting up the balloons and signs? That party took days of prep work.
yeah fellas sorry i just kinda crashed immediately after the candles were blown out x.x; and Luigi worked even harder than I did, up and down the ladder hanging all the streamers… bro has such an eye for decorating though, right?!
hey btw themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works did your dad ever get around to enjoying that steakhouse giftcard we got him?
That does sound like Luigi, always willing to lend a helping hand.
https://www.tiktok.com/@julianas776/video/7447346194461789470
This video and this comment chain are the light in the end of the tunnel for me 🤣
Even if he’s really the shooter, imagine if they cannot prove it’s him because it would showcase the immense dystopian surveillance tech everywhere in the US. So they had to pretend they got an anonymous call and plant evidence instead.
Evidence laundering
The good faith exception is such bullshit.
I don’t get a good faith exception if I truly thought that the speed limit was actually 75 instead of 55, even if my phone and car told me that was the case.
It doesn’t even make sense to me in a mental gymnastics way, like, just because I tried hard and was honest, doesn’t make a warrant any more or less valid.
don’t get a good faith exception if I truly thought that the speed limit was actually 75 instead of 55
If you have a decent lawyer this is possible I’m pretty sure. Essentially the wealthy do get a good faith exception.
There’s an income level that lets you do “weekend jail” on your fifth DUI.
If you are Sarah Stitt, wife of Oklahoma’s Governor, you won’t even get the DUI. Just stumble drunkenly out of that state vehicle (which you aren’t supposed to be using, but you’ve got the Republican princess pass), insist that you are married to the Governor, and they won’t even charge you!
If the defence can create enough doubt that the gun was his, I doubt they have a case otherwise.
Especially considering the jury may well be quite sympathetic to him.
Especially considering the jury may well be quite sympathetic to him.
I think people on the internet vastly overestimate how sympathetic a jury will be.
Probably, but isn’t the healthcare system pretty much universally despised in the states?
Tbf just because he had a gun on him doesn’t mean he was the shooter. I have a gun on me, am I the shooter Greg? Plenty people have guns, and it’s even legal to have a 3d printed gun, and even if he was concealed carrying without a permit, “so?”
“Of course he has a gun. This is Texas, everybody has a gun. My florist has a gun!”
I presume they tested it to confirm it was the murder weapon?
Kinda, yeah if the barrel and striker matches up that’ll be tough to beat. That could be easily thwarted though by running a rough brush, or changing the barrel with another one, and changing the striker, and if he’s worth his salt he ditched those before he even left the city. And even a match isn’t necessarily 100% proof it’s the gun, just like 99.999% lol.
Honestly, I do think it was him, personally. Just playing devils advocate.
Having a 3D printed gun on you isn’t something most people do though, so it’s not a good look.
If they can prove the search was illegal, they can throw out the backpack evidence entirely.
That’s honestly been my opinion the whole fucking time.
In addition to the rest, from the beginning Luigi himself claimed that there was money and other items in the bag that was not put there by him. This latest development appears consistent with that.
At this point the funniest thing would be if the real assassin was to take down another healthcare CEO.
Someone, can’t remember who…so if it’s you (not necessarily you OP, a general you) put your hand up, in a different Luigi thread a month or so ago had a pet theory that I think probably holds a reasonable amount of water.
The theory is that that CEO was knocked off by a paid hitman, possibly contracted by his spouse, and Luigi happened to be picked up as a scapegoat because the NYPD, or the arresting officer, was complicit/paid off a tidy sum.
With this coming up, it’s even less of an unlikely scenario.
The theory is that that CEO was knocked off by a paid hitman, possibly contracted by his spouse, and Luigi happened to be picked up as a scapegoat because the NYPD, or the arresting officer, was complicit/paid off a tidy sum.
This would be a better theory if Luigi had a serious alibi. Also, if he wasn’t tied up with the Silicon Valley Longtermist movement, which has already produced a number of more low-profile killings.
I wouldn’t discount the pet theory, because it does sound like the kind of shit mega-millionaires get up to. But the NYPD picking up this guy specifically, where and when they did, with no credible counternarrative as to where he was at the time of the killing, makes me strongly suspect they have the right guy. But - like with the OJ Brown-Simpson murder - they’ve got such a clown car of detectives and a grandstanding mayor and self-insert celebrity journalists and prosecutors promoting the case as spectacle that they’re going to completely fuck this thing at trial.
If he wins the criminal case but loses a far more professionally executed civil “wrongful death” case a few years later, I would not be surprised in the slightest.
Why would the hitman engrave the bullets? If they’re picking a plausible scapegoat with severe medical issues, then why one that’s young rich and handsome?
to make it look like an ideological hit job.
But then why one that’s young rich and handsome?
The police chose the actual suspect. not whoever planned the hit
But why male models?
because mcdonald’s called and said “there’s a homeless guy here that looks like the assassin”.
if you distribute a wanted picture like that, i’m sure there will be tons of false identification…
more importantly, in a court of law, illegal searches matter… whether or not @explodicle@sh.itjust.works thinks he’s probably guilty or not.
Oh I think he’s definitely not guilty. I’m just not sure if he did it.
sounds like reasonable doubt to me
Man, I never said the theory was…dare I say… bulletproof? 🤓
Buuuuuut…if all the evidence was planted? Look, the “manifesto”, the engraved bullets, the whole thing is a cop’s wet dream. I’m willing to believe Luigi is in fact the triggerman, willing to believe that he’s unhinged enough to have toted all that about with him. You gotta think though…the NYPD were frothing, Altoona PD are under staffed, under paid. Not outside the realm of possibility it’s a frame job.
Just a tinfoil hat theory that I thought was…fun? Not really the best word for it, but fits well enough.
Does it have to be healthcare? I mean, there are some other candidates to consider
Starting with almost every single billionaire.
All good options.
I would argue that while billionaires are stealing your money, healthcare CEOs are taking lives, which is more important in my mind.
Which isn’t to say that billionaires don’t deserve the same treatment, this is just prioritization for the most benefit in the shortest amount of time… Long term, a lot more heads need to roll.
Hard to amass billions without taking lives in some form.
Both is the correct answer.
I’m just putting an emphasis on the healthcare industrial machine in the USA because it’s causing more acute harm to the people of the USA than anyone else.
Luigi is innocent. He did not kill Brian Thompson. He is a hero by the simple virtue that he is an innocent young man who was dragged through hell over something he didn’t do and is having his life put on the line.
As for who actually did it. I hope he lives a long, quiet life.
Of course Luigi didn’t do it. He was flying with me to New Orleans from Nashville at the time of the murder. We got beignets at The Vintage then took a ghost tour of the french quarter.
And right after that he went to my place thousands of miles away and we played classic Sierra games together. Given he is much younger than me he didn’t quite understand late 80s and early-mid 90s gaming that much at first. But my god was he such a good listener! He listened to all my middle age man explanations and how revolutionary all that stuff was at the time with full understanding. He even figured out the Gold Rush door puzzle from the get go! The guy is brilliant! And so very nice, too.
I still hope this is correct and the real guy starts act 2 during Luigi’s trial. Also it’s be cool if the next three shells read “super Mario brothers” lmao
We need some chubby copycat so they can be Mario.
Jokes aside, I honestly don’t know if he’s the guy.
What I do know, is if this part is true, that should be enough to put doubt into the “beyond a reasonable doubt” part in the jury.
I just point blank don’t believe he did it.
Let’s say I kill a high profile individual on the street you know, hypothetically.
Do you seriously believe that I’d be casually hanging out in public at a McDonalds with a manifesto and loaded gun in my bag? I’m pretty sure that my first port of call if I was assassinating someone would be “Burn all the evidence in an alleyway somewhere, get new clothes on, and lay low for pretty much the rest of my fucking life, possibly in Mexico”
Not only that, Luigi’s fake ID which he did not use in an illegal way any known time was not linked with the shooting, just linked to a NY hostel.
Also Luigi was not marandised, hes also charged in NY, Pennsylvania and federally at the same time, double (triple?) jeopardy
And his bags were searched without him being able to see the search, which puts into question the search, but they didn’t find any gun or manifesto at that time. 6 hours later, they did find a gun and a manifesto after being contact with NYPD. And the paper work for this evidence is also not properly filed. In addition the inventory of his belonging was also not descriptive.
He was arrested by a rookie cop that didn’t get help from a supervisor to avoid mistakes either, lots of adrenaline in a huge profile case like this. He said he knew right away that this was the killer, and he had only the propaganda NYPD had posted to the media. And NYPD didn’t know who the killer was
I dont know how long it took, but it took well over 100 days before the defence was able to even see the evidence against him. A huge red flag that the prosecution dont think the evidence holds water. And when they did get it, it was terabytes of data, and Luigi wasn’t allowed to use a computer without hus lawyer present, blocking him from seeing what weaksauce they have against him
The aid to the prosecutor also listened in, they say it was an accident to a whole telephone conversation with Luigi and the lawyer, how is this even possible. The prosecutor rebuked him self from the case after they were caught doing this, so they do a new prosecutor
The feds even call for the death penalty before Luigi is even indited, let alone convinced.
I’m just very skeptical this is the shooter, why would they screw up everything so bad every step on puropuse like this. Its just a hail Mary that the judge who is married to a CEO will convict anyway
"Burn all the evidence in an alleyway somewhere, get new clothes on
Luigi in the released CCTV photography is already wearing different clothes to the shooter. Not very different though.
Bit strange to change clothes and backpack but keep the same styling and colors.
and you think my manifesto would start praising with how amazing the cops are and we need to thank them, and we should not rise up?
That’s the problem though. Everyone’s playing “If I were him”.
The thing is, we don’t know what was going on his mind. Say he actually was the one who did it. Maybe he wanted to get caught. Maybe he assumed he was going to get caught within minutes, and didn’t bother throwing away the evidence because he didn’t think there was any point. Maybe he kept changing his mind about what he was going to do, and in the end that indecision caught up with him.
Assuming he’s actually the one who shot the CEO, I already have trouble understanding his thinking. He shot a guy in cold blood who may have been scummy, but hadn’t actually hurt Mangione or anybody he cared about, AFAIK. He didn’t do it as part of a community. I know he’s not a mass shooter, but shooting a stranger for ideological reasons is most similar to mass shooters or bombers. Most of the times people do that, they’re egged on by a community. He apparently just did it on his own.
So yeah, I don’t get it, but the fact I don’t get it doesn’t convince me it can’t be true.
this sounds like lots of maybes that does covering, where there is talk of plenty of reasonable doubt. We are saying we are confused and there is reasonable doubt, sure you could be correct, but thats some mental gymnastics to get out of that reasonable doubt
I’m sorry it reads that way. What I’m trying to say is that you have to look at the whole picture.
“Let’s say I kill a high profile individual on the street you know, hypothetically.”
If you say that, you have to take into account what kind of person might do that. It’s a person who is not thinking normally. It’s something that people thinking normally might be tempted to do, but they wouldn’t actually do it.
“Do you seriously believe that I’d be casually hanging out in public at a McDonalds with a manifesto and loaded gun in my bag?”
This is something that someone who’s thinking normally wouldn’t do. But, we’ve already established that someone who kills someone else on the street isn’t thinking normally. You can’t start from an assumption of normal thinking for someone who you’ve already hypothesized is a cold-blooded killer who killed a stranger on the street.
I would disagree, I would say it is normal to kill someone who is responsable for thousands of deaths, thousands of people dieing so you can make more money. It is only a collective cowardace, one that I have to admit also have. But I would argue within the history of humanity, and just normal human emotion, that that would be someone thinking normaly, you are killing a, truly stagering amount of people for, no real reason, someone has to stop you and there is no reason why that person should not be me.
Once agian i want to point out how truly insane it is that more of us do not do this regularly, how this is seen as a rare and shoking event and killing healthcare CEOs and other Billionares, who ammase their weath on mass exploitation is.
I would say it is normal to kill someone who is responsable for thousands of deaths
If it was normal, it wouldn’t be newsworthy.
It is only a collective cowardace, one that I have to admit also have.
You have it because you’re normal. He didn’t, meaning he wasn’t normal (he being whoever shot the CEO).
Once agian i want to point out how truly insane it is that more of us do not do this regularly
Insanity is an abnormal mental or behavioral state. By definition, if it’s how everyone acts, then it’s not insane. It’s normal.
You can say that we ought to act differently, but that’s not how people are wired. Normal people don’t act that way.
this is seen as a rare and shoking event
In other words, it’s abnormal. That’s why we’re paying attention.
but hadn’t actually hurt Mangione or anybody he cared about, AFAIK
Mangione supposedly had chronic health issues that may have been the basis of hatred for the health insurance business - https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/12/11/luigi-mangione-back-pain-healthcare-shooting/
I’ve said this a few times now, but it’s entirely possible he’s just not the criminal mastermind we want him to be.
I mean no one is saying mastermind, but he did get all the way out of the main search area, he would have been essentialy home free.
Also this is reasonable doubt, and saying “he isn’t a criminal mastermind” is not enough to remove it, someone going “I likely would have done this” is a reasonable doubt.
I want to see him win this whether he did it or not, but at this point it legitimately looks like it isn’t him. Either way, they just want to make an example out of him, it’s literally just class warfare and nothing else.
I hope he did it and I hope he gets off.
He’s an example of the difference in outcomes between a competent attorney focused solely on your own defense and some public defender that didn’t know you’d be their client until five minutes before trial.
Whether or not he did it, the real outcome of this court case appears to be reaffirming that the
NYPDlocal Pennsylvania PD simply cannot be trusted to do any kind of investigation of a crime or evidence handling even in the most high-profile cases.This was a police department in Pennsylvania, days later, hours away from NY
This police department mainly had information from the media, not from NYPD
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I think what ends up happening (as a rando without a legal degree) is that the backpack and all of its contents become inadmissible as evidence. It makes beyond a reasonable doubt harder to achieve for the prosecution because they lack a proposed murder weapon in evidence.
This is just a motion. Judge will decide it’s validity and the remedy. It might end up with the evidence excluded, but it might be that the prosecution just has to provide a different/stronger justification, or even be a nothing burger if the judge is unconvinced by the arguments in the motion.
I agree with your analysis if the judge does exclude backpack and contents as evidence.
Anything other than exclusion will be grounds for appeal, later, too.
An incompetent pinjob
Goes to show how much this isn’t about Luigi, or even Brian Thompson. It’s about the elite sending a message to the other 99%. Think, even if their case against Luigi is rocky at best, all that matters is they can get him to pay for Brian, regardless of whether he did it or not, or where the evidence points.
All that matters is that we the “peasants” get the underlying message:
- If you kill/harm an elite they’ll chase you and make you pay with the full weight of their resources (and emphasis on “resources”, not necessarily “law”).
- If you did not kill or harm an elite you’re still at risk, because then they’ll choose a “peasant” scapegoat to pay anyway.
All that matters is that they get to take their pound of flesh, and that the “peasantry” gets discouraged to fight for their rights as the elite takes, and takes and takes.
Which is why it’s so important that regardless of Luigi having done it or not, he should walk free unless there’s solid, undeniable evidence of him doing it, like an actual and verified non-deepfake video of the assassination with his clear face on it. And even then he must only face the consequences the law demands, and what others would face in his place for killing the everyday average Joe. The fact that the life lost was an elite should have no bearing on the consequences.
Even with that lets be clear Mr. Tompson was responsable for many more deaths for the sake of profit, only deemed not murder because its legal, I do not care if there where 30 videos proven to be genuine, and he said his name when he did it, the jury should nulify. Not because murder is correct, but because well millions died in part because of Brian Tompson, and if the state will do nothing to hold him accountable someone else has to.
Sure, but it’s gonna be a real stupid attempt if they take it to trial with such shaky evidence, all it takes is a single juror going “lol no way do I trust that evidence” and the jury is hung, a few jurors on his side and he could likely be found not guilty and that would be the end of that, no retrial, he walks a free man.
I assume that jury selection on this particular trial was almost certainly tampered with to pick the least sympathetic to accused to out right bribed or blackmailed into being told how they will decide the case or else.
Brian Thompson was murdered, but all the evidence that has been made publicly available certainly suggest that Mangione had nothing to do with it. The images release of the shooting and the hotel do not match, purportedly the hotel images were 2 weeks old at the time, we’ve gotten no other proof that he was even in the city on the day of the shooting, as well as the backpack found in central park abandoned, yet supposedly 3 days later the suspect had the fake IDs, weapon and manifest on his person while out to lunch?
I’m sorry but no, this entire thing reads like they just want to crucify Luigi because they fucked up their investigation so bad they’re never going to catch the real culprit and his name must have been on a watch list or something to make him a convenient scapegoat.
A hung jury is not an automatic dismissal. The judge can allow a retrial and in this case they absolutely will. Over and over again, until they get the result they want.
Double Jeopardy
Im aware. Which is why I added, “a few jurors on his side and he could be found not guilty”. It was two possibile outcomes listed, not just one.
But that’s actually a risky strategy. If it becomes too obvious they’re pinning it on the wrong guy, the narrative will flip to “If you kill one of them, they will just have a random scapegoat take the fall and let you go free”
We can stop 1 100,000 person march, but we can’t stop 10 10,000 person marches at the same time
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They have her admitting on another cop’s body cam that she did a warrantless search. I don’t think she missed anything, I think they just NEED her to have missed it for the prosecution.
But why make a hero and a martyr? Are they stupid?
Vs. What?
Letting the world know that you can walk up to someone in the middle of the day and shoot them and get away with it?
We all know CSI shows are over exaggerated, but they give us a feeling of protection
Without a motive or a link to follow. A random gunman is next to impossible to find after they get away.
This way they don’t have to make the charges stick but “they caught” the gunman.
Security theater is important
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Yes?
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Our system isn’t about guilty or not guilty but “beyond a reasonable doubt”
If there is reasonable doubt then someone can’t be guilty (or shouldn’t) and the burden to prove that is on the prosecution.
I’m not saying it’s a good system, or that I agree or disagree but that is our system.
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That’s like 50% of people’s interactions on any given social media platform 😅
I’d say it’s less than 30%
I’ve been on Lemmy for a looong time. It’s at least 30.00023%.
Our system isn’t about guilty or not guilty but
“beyond a reasonable doubt”skin tone.Gotta check the actual stats.
Their opinion is a “conspiracy” but my opinion is “right”
Either way the state has the burden to prove he did the crime, I am not sure why you are this confident he did it. I guess fake news shill ops worked on you as intended lol
Wow. That is just unbelievably sketch.
Plot twist: good guy policewoman deliberately makes it impossible to prosecute Luigi.
French style revolution is the only solution
Agreed comrade! Pm me and we will begin the organization of said revolution
Nice try, FBI.
Because no one else has yet commented this:
Fuck The Police.
Sorry, I was asleep. I’ll set an alarm next time.
Seriously! Bunch of slackers around here!
It seems more and more everyday that vigilante justice is the only justice against this corrupt corporate tyranny. I think we all wish this wasn’t the case but as my dad used to say you can wish in one hand and 💩 in the other and see what hand fills up first
