a million pieces/segments sneering at hasan piker and the co-chair of the DSA, meanwhile a republican congressional candidate in upstate new york named peter oberacker is the grandson of an actual nazi germany soldier and his former staffer was part of the ‘i love hitler’ young GOP group chat
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We’ve seen this kind of thing before. This is the Southern Lost Cause propaganda strategy as applied to Nazi Germany.
If you’ve never been exposed to “The Lost Cause” in school, or haven’t yet come to realize what that really means, I urge you to read up on it now.. It wears a thin veil of well-reasoned, even compassionate dialogue, but conveniently leaves out the bigger picture of why and what prompted all this in the first place. Those deploying this kind of speech are like a housecat: rolling over and displaying their belly while seemingly “taking the L”, but are actually poised to harm by quietly aligning themselves with the Cause’s original narrative.
While we’re a far cry from erecting bronze statues and renaming streets in the name of Nazism, I caution everyone to identify this kind of speech wherever you see it. So, stamp it out, decry it as revisionist, and don’t let up. Render it impolite, uncouth, and socially unacceptable in any context. Unchecked, this kind of thing slowly creeps in, eventually worming its way into textbooks and everyday chit-chat.
In August 2026, an old post made by Oberacker resurfaced. The post, from 2015, was a Veterans Day memorial post for his grandfather, who died in the Battle of the Bulge fighting for Nazi Germany. Oberacker, who had served on the state Senate’s Republican antisemitism working group, came under fire for the post. Oberacker later said, “Looking at it through the prism of today, totally different story. Having been on the antisemitism task force for the Senate Republicans, I would look at it a little bit differently now.”
Oh, he’d look at it differently now. He didn’t say he shouldn’t have made the post, or that he wouldn’t do it again. Just that he’d squint a little harder, I guess.
Most what I learn from the USA nowadays is very negative and it seems that some people are totally off the rails over there.
It seems that the general quality of living is way worse than in EU.
Is the reality as bad as the news and these kinds of statements make it look like? We have higher taxes but good quality schools and healthcare is included. How is America average buying power after those?
It is very worrying that a country that often has been viewed as the lighthouse of the western culture seems to struggle so much.
Honestly, I’d imagine it’s pretty similar to the EU. Your living experience varies drastically state to state and even city to city. Some cities/states prioritize education, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. and some don’t. General political views seem to be the major difference between the EU and the US, from what I’ve heard, most of the “left” here would be considered center or center-right over there. I’ve only briefly visited the EU so many of you probably have a much better answer than me and I welcome any corrections.
Yes, USA is an miserable shithole. Personally I’ve been making long term plans to move to EU. Cities like Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, etc. They are like utopia compared to the fucking parking lot society that I live in.
Give it a winter or two. Europe is fucked. With fascism pretty much inevitable the dismantling will be fast.
Hate to break it to you, most Germans grandparents were at least collaborators. The NSDAP r member cards opened my eyes who of my family was a member. My beloved aunt for. example was a member.
Fascism isn’t widely recognized or condemned from within a fascist society.
Should everyone be proud of where they come from? Probably not.
I don’t think being proud of your ancestry or heritage should be the default setting. In fact, we should look back with a critical view and criticize where we should and learn where appropriate. Humans tend to suck, you know? So we should acknowledge that and not ignore the faults of our nature.
Thing is, you could very easily be a very proud German AND proud of your family and still say “yeah, I’m not so proud of my country and family between 1939 and 1945”
I don’t really understand how, personally. I’m not proud of my family at all. I am American, but I am a first generation immigrant, and my family is Belgian and they are responsible for genocide and I mean they have in Belgium in their homes a Massive collection of stuff from the Congo. When I was younger, I didn’t understand what all of that ivory and everything else meant. But when I got older, I learned where it had come from. I’m not proud of that. I’m not proud of my family. I’m not proud of a thing they fucking did in the past.
I don’t really understand how any American right now could be proud of America considering where we are at.
I don’t understand, how German can be proud of themselves. It’s not been long enough. And while my own countries have been a fucked up places. I also saw what the Germans did to Belgium. My family never forgot that and we haven’t forgiven. I don’t understand why anyone fucking should.
Now I don’t believe any person or country should be proud of anything. Elon Musk didn’t make all his money because of America. That took nearly the entire world’s leadership to do. And they are collective of all of us. So I’m not sure what there is to be proud of anymore.
No you could not. Being “a proud <insert nationality here>” means outing oneself as a dimwitted loser with no accomplishments of one’s own.
Dumb take
Said the genius ^^
Thanks
I’ve never understood the concept of “being proud of your country” at all, to be honest. Like, you as an individual have such a vanishingly insignificant impact on your country as a whole that anything you may have contributed is pretty much irrelevant. This applies doubly so if you’re below the age of, say 30 or 40, or if you’re being “proud” of something your country did before you came of age, as you literally didn’t contribute anything whatsoever and just happened to be born into it.
The obvious exception is if you are the supreme dictator-for-life and singlehandedly made every major policy decision for the last 3 decades. Or if you live in Liechtenstein and therefore your individual impact is drastically overrepresented compared to a “regular size” country.
Yeah it feels more healthy to be proud of achievements.
Includes being proud of your children if you have achieved good parenting, but being part of a country, what is the achievement, what is the work you have put in there?
Pay taxes maybe. “I’m proud to pay taxes for country X” doesn’t have the same ring to it, though.
I understand where you’re all coming from, but at the same time I do believe you can be proud of things you’ve done nothing for.
For example I don’t see anything wrong with being proud of a family member for beating addiction or running a 5k etc.
Edit: Phrasing
It’s a longer time period tho. And “not so proud” doesn’t cut it for literal genocide, you need to actively denounce that shit if you claim to be proud of the rest of your culture and history.
It’s not about isolating and ranking historical events or periods tied to whatever nation-state ideology you were brought up with. It’s about questioning the authority and functions of nation-state narratives in the first place. And realizing that ugliness is often borne out of the most seemingly banal things ever.
Being proud of your randomly assigned geography and demography can and has come with some good. But it’s nothing compared to the ugliness it causes.
You can be proud of yourself and your own achievements. You can be proud of how your kids or students turned out and, to an extent, their achievements. You can be proud of your teammates (colleagues, coauthors etc) and what your team has done. Being proud of millions of totally unrelated people, or a social construct like a “nation” or a “country” is a big fucking stretch. If you insist on doing that, you also need to be ashamed of all the awful shit your country has done too. And believe me, there will be a ton of shit there. Can’t take the credit but eschew the responsibility.
A lot of people came to America because where they was was so shitty, that even a wilderness like America looked good.
Conservatives are bad people. That’s it.
It’s almost like their morality is just another tool they’ll use or cast aside as needed whenever it’s politically expedient or something.
We SALUTE and HONOR Nazis!
-JEW LOVERS according to AIPAC!
AIPAC doesn’t care who the supporters are, just that they support them. Much like the “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel” were Zionists who wanted to get the British out of Palestine and found a Jewish state by teaming with the NAZI’s and having them send the Jews to their cause. Turns out the NAZI’s just didn’t care to listen to them.
Literally a bit from the Office
What happened with the co-chair of the DSA?
all military people are evil, and those that offer military discounts to only some militaries are worst of all
There were former military in the black panthers. The military is an institution that exploits the poor and subjects them to moral injury in the name of imperialism- people who participate in it must do the labor to un-fuck their heads after, but those who have truly seen the belly of the beast and what horrors it would offer can be incredibly valuable allies.
i mean that’s definitely an equally hot take. i’ll admit i shared it until i made friends with a radiologist. didn’t realize he was serving at the local military hospital until after we’d become best buds, but i’m not too big to admit when i’m wrong.
You expected moustache twirling and kitten slaughter?
The evil of soldiers is banal.
I never thought about that… If you offer a “military discount” should anyone who served in any armed force for any nation be able to claim it? That’s an interesting idea…
My grandfather was drafted and fought, he was worth 10 of you.
Though at least the “other” troops in The Office’s scenario could have been described as defensive.
I am not a WWII expert and don’t know which unit his grandfather was in, with that in mind the Wehrmacht was a draft army and many non-Nazis were forced into the military and died “for their country” to protect their own families (if only from the consequences of their refusing to serve).
That’s a man’s duty to his family in my opinion, and I can’t hate him for that. Many were executed for refusing to serve, also asset forfeiture and working in camps. If I had children, in their position, I would have served in the hopes of keeping them alive and well (not knowing that the entire country would be razed in a few years).
My grandfather served US Navy against the Japanese, he was a submariner. Until the day he died in his 80s he refused to tie his shoes, and any shoes that he wore had to be loose so that he could kick them off. He usually wore slippers.
Later, I found out that this was because his submarine was sunk, and he almost died trying to get his boots off to swim to the surface. He refused to talk about any of it to anybody.
Horrifying. I’m sorry for all of the “good people” involved on every side of the war.
I’ll GTFO now
The clean Wehrmacht is a complete myth and no sane German would agree with you.
It’s blurry but it kinda looks like the eagle is looking right which would make it a symbol of the party and not the state. So that man was a bit more involved in the whole Nazi apparatus than someone who just got drafted.
Yeah, the badge on his left is an SA or SS badge, meaning he went above just being drafted to Wehrmacht.
Neither SA nor SS. Those were completely different.
Adding links to the wiki pages is a pain on my phone for some reason. Look them up!
Thanks for making me double check, looks like I misremembered. This is an SA sports badge, but getting one does not mean the person was an SA member.
Ooh, I was commenting on the symbol on the left the whole time and didn’t see the one on the right at all! Looks like you identified the right one correctly.
