I discovered this after upgrading our instance yesterday, which also upgraded all frontends to their latest versions as well. After I did, our Tesseract frontend stopped working and I noticed immediately as it’s been my primary for a while. Initially I thought it was an API version mismatch, but no, it was much worse.

Someone pointed out that the developer of the frontend added an explicit hidden and unmodifiably blacklist which includes any and all instances to the left of Kissinger. There’s a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we’ve been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.

This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.

When you use tesseract to connect to one blacklisted such instance , you just get a message informing you that Tesseract is “incompatible with that instance” which leads one to think of a technical issue, like an API mismatch, rather than the dev being an opinionated coward.

Isn’t it funny how all the software developed by turbolibs, like Piefed and Tesseract, end up with hidden control mechanisms from developers who think they know better than everyone else? That they don’t just think they deserve to tell you what you should think, but they should manipulate you to think it? Isn’t it funny how libs go on about how bad it is to support lemmy due to the ideology of the devs behind it, and yet lemmy has 0 opinions as a software? It does make one think…

Anyway, I forked - it as one does - and disabled the blacklist, but since this is a massively ideologically compromised software, I’ll doubt I’ll keep this frontend up after Lemmy 1.0. I think we’ll bring up mlmym again now that someone’s maintaining it again.

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    Lmao they blocked thelemmy.club for a few weeks for seemingly no reason. Unhinged stuff.

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    Any chance you could post his blacklist? I’d like to know where I should be subscribing . . ?

    Thanks for your great work.

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      export const BLACKLISTED_INSTANCES: string[] = [
              "abolish.capital",
              "altmedia.house",
              "anarchist.nexus",
              "chapo.chat",
              "chatgptjailbreak.tech",
              "diggita.com",
              "hexbear.com",
      	"hexbear.net",
              "ibbit.at",
              "test.hexbear.net",
              "www.hexbear.net",
              "hilariouschaos.com",
              "lemmy.bestiver.se",
              "lemmy.blahaj.zone",
              "lemmy.dbzer0.com",
              "lemmy.doesnotexist.club",
              "lemmy.durstig.online",
              "lemmy.ml",
              "lemmy.razbot.xyz",
              "lemmybefree.net",
              "lemmygrad.ml",
              "lemmyusa.com",
              "lemy.lol",
              "maga.place",
              "multiverse.soulism.net",
              "news.abolish.capital",
              "nnia.space",
              "noauthority.social",
              "r.nf",
              "realbitcoin.cash",
              "redlemmy.com",
              "welppp.com"
      ]
      
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    I would appear asimon04 changed their name to paulo-roger. It appears they are trying to remove some of their repo from public view. But git doesn’t remove data just because it’s orphaned.

    Here are some updated links, these might be good for another week before git does GC.

    link in title: https://github.com/paulo-roger/tesseract/blob/e70e3a3cef739c59288ec78f0bbb4f0e1b4fa194/src/lib/blacklists.ts#L2270

    Commit Explaining Specious reasoning: https://github.com/paulo-roger/tesseract/commit/2b53f17a5506b7c4b3ad1d5c26af49662f03a478

    Old Main before they rolled it back 3 years: https://github.com/paulo-roger/tesseract/blob/e70e3a3cef739c59288ec78f0bbb4f0e1b4fa194/

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    Looks like they’ve deleted their repo for tesseract.

    Probably for the best given their credibility as a FOSS dev is shot now anyway. But at least nobody else will unwittingly walk into their curated enforced bubble.

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        Yeah looks like its back up. I’m guessing they made it private and had a change of heart. When I checked earlier, it would 404, and db0’s fork now references the earlier fork in the chain rather than this one.

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          There wasn’t an earlier fork. Either ap isn’t telling the whole story of what they did with their repo (they also lost all their stars), or github is bugged somehow

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        Fair enough. I noticed that one from the fork you made. I just assumed that’s where Patrick forked it from originally.

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        More likely they privated their repo. Your fork is way ahead with this devs commits. I’d guess the dev made a fork of the paulo-roger repo when they stopped the development.

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            Well yeah. The guy made a bunch of commits, you forked, they privated the repo. The repo you forked “no longer exists” so parent fork is reported. Nobody renamed their account, nobody transferred the repo.

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              I’m pretty sure his wasn’t a fork. He hard forked from photon, so there’s nobody he forked from calling it tesseract. This doesn’t make sense

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                So the last commit on the apparent “original” paulo-roger/tesseract repo states abandonment of the project in 2023. However this commit, like every other in this repo, is authored by asimons04.

                $ git log | grep asimons | wc -l 
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                That seems pretty weird to me. I guess if they were added as a contributor at some point they could’ve force-pushed a rewritten history? Still doesn’t make a lot of sense.

                Edit: Maybe it’s just paulo-roger who checked out asimons04’s repo after they abandoned it and uploaded it to his profile as a fresh repo instead of forking, and somehow GitHub mistook it for the parent repo after as04 made their repo private/whatever happened?

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                  My theory was something like:

                  • Repo A (paulo-roger) abandoned at 2023
                  • Repo B (asimons04) forked and worked from there
                  • Repo C (OP)

                  Now what happens if repo B is removed (privated)? We still have all the commit history form repo B, but no upstream to link to that history. We also have all the commit history form repo A, however the upstream is still public so it gets linked properly.

                  The fork chain is still the same A -> b -> C we just no longer see repo B on github. It doesn’t mean that anything got moved, deleted or overwritten, just hidden.

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    Some of those tankie instances have been pretty aggressive with others, so I can understand that a developer wants to make its project more accessible to normal people by blocking them. Now, do all the instances on this list deserve it? I don’t know. Also, it would probably be a better compromise to have this as a visible “safe default” and let admins edit it easily.

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      Apparently maga.place is super leftist /s

      There are a few on there I would say have issues but weirdly the consensus here is that “no of course not these are all fine sites and now why isn’t some other site on the list because it’s leftist and belongs on the list as a badge of honor!” Kinda seems funny to me that no one noticed the maga site on the list. And you are the only person here to doubt that narrative. No one else considers that maybe this dev had a few bad experiences with some of these sites that maybe otherwise wouldn’t be on the list…? I have no knowledge of most of them, but hexbear is about as head-fucked as an instance comes.

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          I’m not asking about the instances, I’m asking about the word. The wiki doesn’t really help:

          Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

          Okay, so an insulting way to refer to an authoritarian communist. What makes them authoritarian? I see this word being used by people who support the police. Are the police (as an institution) not authoritarian? So what does authoritarian mean?

          More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It has a history of being used by some anti-authoritarian leftists, anarchists, democratic socialists, and reformists to denounce Stalinism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.[5][4]

          Okay, so only Marxist–Leninist or Stalinists?

          The term “tankie” was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.[6][7]

          Okay, so ML or Stalinists who are pro-soviet.

          The term has been extended to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the actions of communist leaders such as Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. In recent times, the term has been used across the political spectrum and in a geopolitical context to accuse individuals of having a bias in favour of current anti-Western authoritarian states; Belarus, Cuba, China,[8][9] Iran,[10] Nicaragua, North Korea, Russia, and Venezuela serve as prevalent examples.

          Uh…those are all very different.

          Maybe it’s easier for me to ask what’s an acceptable communist?

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            If this wiki page doesn’t help you understand the term tankie I don’t think I can do better. It’s basically people who support authoritarian communism including denying or supporting their crimes like the Tiananmen Square massacre and similar. As the last part explains, sometimes the relationship to Marxism gets lost as they focus on anti-Western or anti-American positions, such as defending Islamist Iran and other Islamist movements that share very little with Marxism and the left.

            I don’t know if it’s possible, but I would guess democracy based communism with no human rights abuse. Maybe that’s better called social democracy or democratic socialism. For example, in Europe many former Soviet communism supporters lost their faith when they progressively learned about Stalinism crimes and founded what’s called “Socialist” parties as opposed to “Communist” (ex: French or Spanish socialist parties). In English, they are usually called social democrats, close to people like Bernie Sanders, I think.

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              I don’t think you understood my response. The wiki doesn’t help because there is no common thread between the groups listed, and they aren’t all comunist. Like, iran? The article goes on to talk about modern russia. That’s not communist either. The only thing I can find in common is that they are not “western”.

              I don’t know if it’s possible, but I would guess democracy based communism with no human rights abuse. Maybe that’s better called social democracy or democratic socialism.

              For example, in Europe many former Soviet communism supporters lost their faith when they progressively learned about Stalinism crimes and founded what’s called “Socialist” parties as opposed to “Communist” (ex: French or Spanish socialist parties).

              Socialism is such a broad term it’s almost meaningless without qualifiers. Social democracy is also extremely different from democratic socialism. Social democracy wants to reform capitalism to reduce its harm whereas democratic socialists want a socialist society (i.e. no capitalism) but without the own party system and more democratic decision making.

              Help me understand the term Tankie as anything other than an insult towards someone who thinks the capitalists and imperialists are bad, actually. Are their human rights abuses less horrific than any other?

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                The wiki doesn’t help because there is no common thread between the groups listed, and they aren’t all comunist. Like, iran? The article goes on to talk about modern russia. That’s not communist either. The only thing I can find in common is that they are not “western”.

                I think it implies a sort of connection in this way: Marxism -> opposition to capitalism -> opposition to countries championing capitalism such as the USA -> defending organizations who oppose USA -> defending Islamist organizations or current Russia.

                I have observed those thoughts combined within instances that claim to be Marxist on Lemmy. Have you not?

                I believe all human rights abuse are bad whatever the ideology or absence of it. But maybe it’s even more depressing when it comes from an ideology base that claims to be in favor of the oppressed people. It’s also most visible from the leftist side here, because far right instances are more unanimously ostracized. I never saw them in my feed personally, probably due to admins early filtering.

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                  I have observed those thoughts combined within instances that claim to be Marxist on Lemmy. Have you not?

                  I would say I have observed the following from individual users:

                  Marxism -> opposition to capitalism -> opposition to countries championing capitalism such as the USA -> defending organizations who oppose USA -> defending Islamist organizations or current Russia.

                  I think the Hexbear code of conduct explains why I feel the last price is missing. I’ll quote them instead of trying to paraphrase:

                  “Critical Support” means that while we may not agree with every policy of a country that is being targeted by the US Empire, we support them in their struggle to remain independent.

                  Being anti USA doesn’t mean you are on board with all the opinions of all the other opponents or that you are defending them. Personally, I sure am hoping we are watching the collapse of Team America World Police as a result of their involvement in the middle east but that’s where my opinion ends. I don’t know anything about the groups opposing them apart from what I read in western media which is as good as useless, so the idea that I would defend them is pretty absurd. Defend them about what? To whom? (I’m also not ML btw so maybe I shouldn’t be using myself as an example?). USA = bad does not mean another state is good. But I have found people assume that when I wish for the end of the US that I would support another authoritarian and/or imperialist regime in its place which is not accurate.

                  (Footnote: I’m assuming you don’t mean all Islamic groups/nations when you said “Islamic organizations” but only the ones who are in opposition to the USA. )

                  Anyways, this has gotten very off topic. Your connection list was helpful in answering my question. Whether or not I think there are instances that meet this isn’t really relevant.

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      It’s very safe to say the only reason one would ban Blahaj is because they’re transphobes.

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      Not the criteria being used here, obviously.

      Also, we have a statement of intent. There is a statement of intent here in a pr. You cannot assume good faith of shit libs. You cannot assume good faith of people who say they’re doing things for bad reasons.

      I mean you can but its disingenuous and shitty and I’m blocking your instance because its so violently stupid.

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        The dev of Tessaract is obviously a fascist, but oce isn’t calling them a tankie, they’re agreeing with the fascist that leftist instances should be censored, because “tankies”

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          Doesn’t the software package for running a lemmy instance have a default defederation blacklist that includes some of these same instances? It sounds like they’re talking about exactly that - an editable blacklist instead of hiding it as some kind of software error when you go somewhere the admin doesn’t want you to. To which I say, Lemmy already has that, it’s called defederation or muting an instance yourself.

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            There’s a difference between not federating with fascists, spam, csam instances by default and not federating with leftist instances because you think it’s scary to “normal” users.

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              The other thing is that the developer of Tesseract doesn’t have the authority to block servers they don’t like on other people’s instances. It is a major overstep from him to do this, and a severe breach of trust. You really have to hold yourself or be held to a high standard when writing code that runs on other people’s computers.

              Putting in a backdoor so you can get in is really bad. Putting in your own hardcoded ideological filters isn’t as bad, but it’s almost as bad.

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            There’s a technical, often legal, aspect to blacklists. Unmanaged and unmoderated instances can be hijacked and be an actual threat with bots and so on.

            But there’s another aspect, like someone’s favorite shitposter got banned for gatekeeping neopronouns, and now the entire Blahaj instance is blacklisted.

            The categories are just entirely different orders of magnitude.

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              My point was that what they’re calling for here already exists natively within the federation framework and this hidden filter that the dev made doesn’t even need to exist as a front-end system that mods/admins can use as a result. And that some of the more egregious instances on this list are already on the defederation list by default and that admins are free to add or remove instances from that list as they please.

              In short, that this hidden filter is not only unnecessary but that it also only exists to secretly censor what users on an instance can see on top of what instances are already defederated by the admins and would have no purpose as a publicly available system.

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          Which is ironic given that people here are upset about that mod forcing their political biases onto others.

          Basically

          • First they came for the communists —totally cool

          • Then they came for my outgroup — wtf!!

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          I don’t know if this dev is fascist I have not studied the question. Do you have some other information besides this list? Indeed, I’m not calling the dev a tankie, but rather some of the instances of the blacklist that I know of, as a possible explanation for being blacklisted. I don’t know all of them well enough to tell.

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          The dev of Tessaract is obviously a fascist,

          Can you say why you think this? Is it this code?

              {
                  domain: "lemmy.dbzer0.com",
                  reason: `This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions
          to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. 
          Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.`
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            The dev of Tessaract is obviously a fascist,

            Can you say why you think this?

            Well, now I think this because you’re defending them.

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          they’re agreeing with the fascist that leftist instances should be censored, because “tankies”

          No, they’re critiquing tankies specifically. Tankies do not represent all leftists

  • This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.

    What a stirring endorsement.

    I say, keep it up!

    What’s more anarchist than taking their code and liberating it?

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      notice they’re not denying the quoted criticisms

      nice try implying that all the trans instances were banned btw, classy

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        nice try implying that all the trans instances were banned btw

        “All” the trans instances? Which ones come to mind for you other than blahaj?

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        notice they’re not denying the quoted criticisms

        Because the criticisms aren’t relevant to the objections being discussed? The blocks are happening inside the code without the user being aware. Maybe if it was a setting (even enabled by default) to use a “recommended blocklist” then it would make sense to dig in to why something or someone was blocked.

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          I suspect so. I think it all came down during the big slapfight with piefed where A.N. was the first one to get pointed at for “extremism”

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          Yeah, we were banned in the initial wave of “unsupported instances” in March here.

          Seems like db0 was upgraded from being allowed with a content warning to fully blocked in April with the commit linked in the op.

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          Well, they’re radical about their genders. Gender is dangerous. You know, to their social order at least. Also lots of organic chemistry involved, and we all know that shit’s cursed.

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          Hey you speak for your damn self. We’re making ALL the frogs gay!

          It’s literally the pot calling the kettle black. Because we (trans people) believe in introspection, gender studies, biology, scientific methods, harm reduction, and can connect all these things, it conflicts with what people who don’t think. It comes down to immovable ignorance and misattributing through that ignorance, and they see us though a freaky fetishist rhetoric cynic lens. We end up being extreme difference alien extremist idealogists, and therefore different and must be a threat to their current worldview. And honestly, yeah. If you’re so stuck in trad bullshit that you stand in the way of progress and then claim “science” but then exact hate and oppression of humanity while aligning with the Nazis, then yeah, we are your enemy in every aspect of the word. We just wanna live our lives and love and be loved by our families and build communities and be happy. But in order to do that, APPARENTLY, some shit’s gotta change. Stop beating your wives, stop abusing your kids, read more, actually listen to people when they tell you something hurts, be more human, have empathy for people. We got told the future is hopeful and bright for everybody. We realized it isn’t that way. We figured out some ways it could be better. We aren’t perfect and are all human, just like everybody else. We literally all want the same thing, unless you’re a freaky hater rapist murderer racist piece of shit human. WHY are there SO MANY of those??? How do we help people? First step is accepting and understanding ourselves, and to do that, sometimes we need to listen to others who are also trying to understand THEMselves. We (everybody) aren’t that smart, and because of that, we have to continually try to be better, to ourselves and to others. And that takes effort and energy and time and patience. It takes examination of our biases, drilling down on “why” and researching history. And once you start doing that, shit gets a lot clearer. Not crystal clear, but definitely clearer. I still don’t understand why people get stuck on hate, but I know it makes me really, really sad when I lose a friend to it. It makes me sad when I talk to somebody I haven’t in a long time, and they hit me with angry, super stupid political rhetoric that illustrates how far down the fascist hole they’ve fallen. It’s always from a point of self confidence, pain, and a sense of overcoming intellectual adversity. But it’s always ignorance and needing belonging, resulting in hurting others.

          I’m rambling because I’m tired of it. I’m also just tired in general. A lifetime of it all really wears you out and makes it hard to recover. Less friends, less family, less government, less rights, people talking you down everywhere, the constant considering and strategy. I’m tired. So tired. I do think we’re all gonna make it, but like db0 said, “we aren’t pacifists”, we just… I dunno, trans people are the tanks I guess. Politicians are the dps, everyday people speaking out in support are the support. I don’t want to be a tank, I want to be a normal person. I want to be a game dev and have friends and go visit my family. But I can’t do that anymore, so I must fight for the chance at maybe my younger siblings to have a chance at that future.

          And if that makes me an extremist… I don’t think so. But if somebody does, then yeah, fine, I guess we can have beef.

          Somebody else in here commented that they couldn’t stand the jokes and memes and stuff. And honestly, fuck that person. It all hurts. Of course it does. But we have to keep going and not give in to the hate. Otherwise… We lose everything. Identity politics, culture war… More like rights to life and love and freedom and equality. Losing civil rights weekly in 2026 is crazy. Defunding scientific progress and research. Everything is politicized against us now. We can’t even get a passport anymore. I can get executed for using the restroom in public. I get side eyed by every dad and verbally assaulted by the drunk ones. My offense? Walking in public on a sidewalk, in the evening, back from the grocery store.

          I hope all fascists die in a fire. And now you have a better idea why.

          I’m tired. I’m going to bed in hopes that things will be better tomorrow.

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          My best guess is that one of the dev’s alts got put in the corner for transphobia, and they were butthurt about it.

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    lmfao. What a weirdo. Gotta be top 10 most pathetic things in software dev.

    Also holy fuck I would be ready with the cluebat if I wasted my time troubleshooting sabotage.

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      Didn’t help that the latest update opened some doors to the all-oppressing chinese botnet scrapers and brought the instance to its knees. I was up until 3am firefighting yesterday.

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        I thought you were running iocane or one of those fake link mazes?

        Did it have some way to hit the DB past it? How?

        Man remember when it just kinda worked to use robots.txt (ok Baidu always misbehaved but it didn’t always exist). The internet used to be so cool if you were one of the weirdos initiated to the mysteries.

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          I 'member. Capitalism ruins everything…

          We do run iocaine but that only takes care of known spam subnets and scraping agents. You need to know who to target to send in iocaine first. In front of that we have haphash which is a PoW. We don’t use it site-wide though, as we’re ok people scraping well-cached things like our frontpage. We use it on dynamic content like comments which scrapers love to scrape by the millions, each of them causing a DB query which we cannot cache.

          It seems that new lemmy added some new url paths which I didn’t know about (I think /comment/ is new, before it was all just /post/) which the botnmets discovered after a few hours and started scraping. On top of that I noticed that some scrapers were using random wildcard domain to go to the main site, so I punted those to iocaine as well.

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            A few days ago I read about reaction, is a daemon that scans network activity and prevents this kind of shit. May be worth to check it out. GL.