• JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    3 hours ago

    As a farmer, dairyman, and rancher with way too many cattle in Texas. I have this to say:

    I was on the front lines of the bird flu cross species fiasco. Literally ground zero. Me and my cohorts were the boots on the ground and knew what was going on weeks before the state and fed acknowledged it. The acknowledgement of the problem was purely political and self serving. The government as a whole (state and fed) were refusing to test and confirm what we already knew. I have evidence and correspondence with officials and veterinarians to back it up.

    My take away: it’s a god damn miracle we survived Covid as well as we did. That should have been so much worse.

    When it comes to the screwfly situation: I had little faith under previous administrations this would be handled properly. In Texas, sid miller was talking about woke agendas and playing partisan hack instead of prioritizing resources. We’ve had almost two god damn years! They all figured the people they were firing and defunding would handle it properly. With what resources?. Systematically dismantling our safety nets caused this.

    This problem is one hundred percent political incompetence. Any IT professional that has been laid off because " your department doesn’t do anything" will tell you that a successful job done is literally twiddling your thumbs because you did it right. Y2k was a victory lap that the general public and politicians laugh at because it wasn’t a problem. It wasn’t a problem because we fixed it before the world ended. This screw fly trainwreck is what happens when you don’t listen to IT and fire them all for being lazy.

    Detection in mexico was non existent. The screw fly hits the states and what is left of our protection finds it. Great job. Too late.

    Tldr, your hamburger and steak prices will continue to be more expensive, but not from this. But the suffering of both domestic animals and wildlife will be greatly increased because these dipshits wanted to play politics instead of giving a shit about the bigger picture.

  • wagesj45@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    11
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 hours ago

    ok. Biden did it. you’re so right. glad he’s gone.

    NOW FUCKING FIX IT

  • Folstar@lemmus.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    29
    ·
    edit-2
    7 hours ago

    The screwworm coverage so far is terrible.

    First off, everyone is acting like this is a problem for beef prices (end of list). No, this is a problem for any mammal living in the southern US. FFS, some of the cases already are dogs- how are people not putting this together?

    Second, Biden did whiff on the screwworm response in Central America. They should have pulled a Gandalf as screwworms spread north, but instead were modern Democrats and assumed the situation would fix itself until it was really bad.

    Third, the real blame lies with whoever was POTUS before Biden (I can’t recall) for ignoring that the Panama facility holding the Darien Gap needed updates, more funding. We’re talking tens of millions of dollars to fix in 2018 what will now be a billions and billions problem. Trump- oh right it was Trump. Yeah, then when Covid hit they lost the Gap. To come back in 2025 and cut funding to to the program and re-open the border to animal disease vectors is insanity. Are we sure these people aren’t literal demons feeding on human misery?

  • protist@retrofed.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    15
    ·
    8 hours ago

    “The more likely explanation is that an administration with an antipathy to government ignored government’s purpose until it was too late.”

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    150
    ·
    12 hours ago

    Biden wasn’t the one who defunded efforts to prevent the spread of the screwworm.

    Fucker.

      • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        98
        ·
        10 hours ago

        The gap has been crossed many times in the 50+ years that the barrier has been in place. These crossings aren’t failures, but inevitable when trying to wage war on a flying insect with an average lifespan of 21 days. Keeping the screwworm at bay requires constant effort and monitoring. Here’s an excerpt from the 2020 article"America’s Never-ending Battle Against Flesh-eating Worms"

        “To get the screwworms out, the USDA to this day maintains an international screwworm barrier along the Panama-Colombia border. The barrier is an invisible one, and it is kept in place by constant human effort. Every week, planes drop 14.7 million sterilized screwworms over the rainforest that divides the two countries. A screwworm-rearing plant operates 24/7 in Panama. Inspectors cover thousands of square miles by motorcycle, boat, and horseback, searching for stray screwworm infections north of the border. The slightest oversight could undo all the work that came before.”

        “The slightest oversight could undo all the work that came before”, huh? Shame DOGE didn’t give a fuck when they slashed screwworm monitoring programs.

        The failure we’re seeing isn’t a failure to keep the screwworms out of the US (which any administration would inevitably fail to maintain perfectly), but a failure in monitoring and proactive preventative efforts to maintain the barrier. Fuck knows how long it’s been spreading before it was noticed, given that it’s already affecting multiple states.

        The blame for what happens now lies solely with Trump and his cronies.

      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        24
        ·
        edit-2
        41 minutes ago

        You are getting downvoted, but containment was breached in 2022. Personally, I’m unsure how much orangeboi’s first stint harmed matters - did they kneecap funding for that? I’d believe it, to be clear, but I do think it’s important to bring receipts in matters like this.

        And that said, while I’m sure the US had some sort of role in supporting the quarantine zone at the Darien Gap, I’m not familiar enough with the nuance of their operations to say whether or not it was the US, Panama, or someone else dropping the ball, or simply a combination of bad luck and natural adaptation. We are talking about a species of parasitic insect here - the lifecycle is so quick that 22 years very well may have been enough time for evolution to throw a wrench into containment efforts.

        Edit: yes, by all means, continue downvoting because I and other users are pointing out that (CW: images of active infestation in animals) there is a lot of context and detail to this situation and it’s not actually as simple as “orangeboi cut funding”.

        While it is true that orangeboi surely did not help, and him gutting programs to track things like this at the start of his second term (note: in 2024, which is after the original containment breach in Panama in 2022) was absolutely fucking stupid, the breach did not actually occur on his watch. The outbreak made it from Panama to the Mexican state of Chiapas between 2022 and 2024, all under Biden’s purview.

        By no means am I defending orangeboi here. I’m simply saying that to my eye, this is looking a lot like one of the many areas in which Biden dropped the ball, and orangeboi exacerbated the matter, and then tried to fully blame it on Biden. But both are culpable: Biden and his admin for not treating a horrifying parasitic outbreak with the “oh fuck all hands on deck” attitude that it deserves, and orangeboi and his regime for being simplistic imbecilic fucks with far more concern about getting rich and casting blame than doing literally anything else to help anyone else.

        • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          33
          ·
          10 hours ago

          There have been many times where the gap has been breached in the 50+ years it’s been in place — it’s inevitable when dealing with a flying insect with such a short lifespan.

          You’re right to highlight that multiple decades is a heckton of time when it comes to the evolutionary lifecycle of this fly, but keeping track of these kinds of changes is part of the intensive preventative work done by programs under USDA.

          DOGE explicitly slashed the USDA, including the screwworm program. Some funding was restored at a later date, but I believe a lot of that was put towards the construction of a new plant that would breed sterile flies (which needed to be released weekly) — a plant that is a long way from being completed. Previously, the bulk of the flies being released were produced at a plant in Panama, which no doubt spurred the decision to build a new one in the US.

          However, even if the new plant had already been online before Trump ordered USDA to pull back from intergovernmental cooperation with other countries, this outbreak might not have been averted. Progress in keeping the screwworm at bay has only been possible through constant cooperation between countries. Especially because monitoring fly populations and cases of screwworm (on both sides of the barrier line) is probably the most significant facet of the program. Inspectors have to patrol thousands of square miles of land by motorcycle, boat and horseback, and the amount of manpower that takes is insane. The US was previously contributing a heckton of that manpower, but I can’t imagine that monitoring has been anywhere close to how it used to be when the USDA has been bled dry of personnel

          TL;DR: I was going to say that it was definitely the US who dropped the ball, but it would be more accurate to say that they threw it, with force, at the people who were most essential for keeping the screwworm at bay

        • Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          21
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          10 hours ago

          My understanding is that the barrier weakened during covid, which would have caused multiple complications for containment efforts. Believe it or not, Trump can pretty fairly be blamed for covid getting as bad as it did, and thus can pretty fairly be blamed for this screwworm stuff.

          • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            10 hours ago

            I mean yeah, that is multiple fair points. All I’m saying is that it would behoove the strength of that argument to be able to establish a causal chain that makes that unavoidably clear.

        • Wakmrow@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          17
          ·
          10 hours ago

          My understanding is that there’s one factory producing the sterile flies. And it could have been expanded a long time ago.

          I’m not saying Trump isn’t to blame but like everything else Biden didn’t do shit either.

          • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            4 hours ago

            rather odd people are getting downvoted for stating the actual science behind it. i think it was raging in south america for a long time, and it was never controlled in that continent.

  • adarza@piefed.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    17
    arrow-down
    22
    ·
    12 hours ago

    one could argue that the ‘screwworm’ has been alive and well inside the u.s. for going on 80 years, spotted in various places over the last decade, including washington d.c. and south florida’s atlantic coast.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      4 hours ago

      not it was eliminated for decades in NA, until 22-23 when they closed the program it came roaring back due to south america being its stronghold. just like the yellow fever, and anopholes mosquito(malaria)

    • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      edit-2
      11 hours ago

      In those times were the government actively defunding the program and many many others whilst doing blatant corruption such as awarding themselves millions of dollars by leveraging courts? All whilst screaming “rigged elections”?

      If not, then why the fuck you stepping in for Trump. You know, just let the bad news for him be bad news. You don’t gotta stand up and be like “Don’t worry MAGA dumbies and people who worry a lot - this happens all the time. What Trump is doing here has happened before and we pulled through” - which is the effect of your comment, whether intended or not.

      So now some conservative news junkie monitoring Lemmy will go to r/conservative having written an article “top ten times screw worm made it this far” and no one will care about the issue or why it’s happening THIS TIME. You don’t devil’s advocate when it’s normalizing a bad faith actor. Save it for people who deserve it.