Well, you can say that, but of course people do. It’s not like it’s a completely bizarre movement of the arm. It happens now and then and people are demonized because of it. I really don’t mean to defend Elon Musk, because I really wouldn’t mind him being guillotined, but to claim that everyone that’s been accused of doing a nazi salute, has intentionally done a nazi salute, is rather bizarre. We really don’t need this, in order to hate on Musk, he’s got all the hateability checks. There are plenty reasons that are far beyond any debate that would make him one of the most hated people on earth, and he deserves all of that. But the ‘see, it’s a nazi, here’s the proof <shows salute clip>’ won’t convince anyone that’s not already on board on hating him. The argument that it’s immoral to have over 400 billion, and that if he was a reasonable person he would give some shares to his employees, or lower prices, or distribute his money in power in whatever way possible because only a power hungry narcisistic maniac would hoard all this power, or whatever, is, I think, far more convincing than focussing on this awkward hand gesture.
What Elon did was a nazi salute, and Elon is a nazi.
Back in the early days of Trump 1.0, I was accused of accidentally making a nazi salute. I raised a pint glass in cheers with no open palm (a drinking glass was in my hand). This wasn’t a nazi salute, but people were so keyed up to overreact and attack their friends and coworkers that it didn’t matter.
People are not taking Elon’s salute seriously because our society has lost its ability to take such accusations seriously. People remember the overreaction and baseless accusations being flung between people who should have had solidarity in Trump 1.0, and that undermines trust in similar claims today. This jadedness gives cover for the actual mask-off nazism in Trump 2.0.
People are so used to finding out that an accused nazi salute from the clickbait article was just someone trying to say cheers or making an awkward hand gesture that it takes extra evidence now to convince them that the AfD-supporting billionaire that just bought an election actually did a full nazi salute starting from the chest with no other justification (and then repeated it).
Did you explain your position following such accusations or did you do what he’s doing which is attacking everyone?
I wasn’t given an opportunity, and I ended up leaving the job in question due to hostility and violence.
im sorry that happened to you. that mist have been awful and i believe you.
Thank you.
That was far from the worst thing that happened to me at that job. When I think of that job and why I left it, this incident barely registers.
The reason I’m talking about it now is that the experience has biased me. When I first read that Elon gave a nazi salute, my first reaction was doubt due to this bias. Watching the clip cleared my doubt.
With no intention to defend Elon Musk… Jude Bellingham doing a Nazi salute by mistake and Toni Kroos lowering his arm.
In any case to me Elon’s gesture looks very much intentional(either because he wanted to stir the pot or he actually means it), and even if there is doubt, he is not the kind of man that deserves benefit of the doubt.
No, they do it so we talk about it instead of the actually dangerous executive orders etc.
And damn is it working exactly as intended because, like my sister when she was 10, we can’t help but take the bait.
What if you’re really drunk and you’re trying to hail a cab but you can’t rustle up enough strength to get your arm outside of the danger zone?
@RizzRustbolt Very good question. Here’s how to figure it out:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/adriancinenaticuniverse/images/9/97/90_degree_half_heil.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230329101954He wasn’t drunk or hailing a cab so I don’t know what you are getting at.
That it is possible to do it accidentally. But a normal person would realize their mistake and apologize profusely.
Okay so first technically that’s not true. It’s possible.
But Elon 100% did that shit on purpose.
Thank you for posting a side by side comparison. Really makes it clear it was a nazi salute.
How fucking scary is it that the richest person in the world is a fucking nazi piece of shit and now one of our supreme leaders? If you ask the people around me, “meh.”
That’s because he’s the type of moron that shoots himself cleaning his own gun.
Are you referring to the loser neo-Nazi Oath Fucking Keeper? That is how the dipshit lost his eyeball.
Honestly none of them strike me as true adherents. They just go whichever direction looks like it will give them more power or money. If there is a next administration or some BLM like cause comes back in vogue you’ll see them out there preaching to that choir as if they had always supported that cause.
I’m an outsider looking in, but isn’t that still a problem? The unchecked capitalism which has now created an oligarchy in the US with the media and government being controlled by the richest of the rich? They’re so sure no one can do anything about it any more that they manipulate overtly and don’t even try to hide what they’re doing.
Seeing what’s happening in the US is very worrying.
you are absolutely correct. I’m terrified for my family’s future.
While I agree most of them do whatever they believe will result in more money and power, BLM was a leftist cause so the only time they would support it (or anything inherently leftist) is if their propaganda magically started to fail and their base rejected them over their stance.
It’s really important to remind people who are defending Musk what he was doing in Germany just a few days before this salute.
He was fucking defending Nazis.
This salute was no accident.
Even Musk hasn’t claimed it was an accident.
I was talking about this with my friend and she was like, “I heard it’s just a Roman Salute.” Be ready to be surprised at how many people will defend this crap.
Show me the difference… Go on…show me.
everybody calls it a fascist salute, except for fascists who call it a roman salute
That’s what I told her. I let her know that anyone trying to correct her with that is trying to play games.
It really is sad how many things that little fuck nugget has ruined. In this particular instance I mean Hitler.
Swastika? Neat, simple little geometric shape. Independently created by a few different cultures. Ruined.
“Roman salute”? Kinda neat looking, again simple. And again probably independently invented in a few places, but definitely Roman. Ruined
The charlie Chaplin mustache? More widely adopted after WWI as a style that would fit under a gas mask. Ruined
I’m not trying to campaign to rehab any of these things or apologize for musk. Just kinda sad how all this cool shit got tainted.
“I hear it’s actually just a toothbrush moustache”
“It’s actually just like summer camp, just less… voluntary.”
Can’t upvote the post at the moment. It’s at 666 votes.
I like boost
So good. I had his reddit app before. Functionality and customizations are the best.
This dude practiced in front of a mirror.
I saw a nazi just as clearly as you saw a nazi. And no, we did not just see a nazi salute, we saw a complete nazi piece of shit. There’s no more to this story, nothing here is up for debate.
I think we need to include the reaction from Musk on this topic. Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The “everyone is Hitler” attack is sooo tired 😴.
Not even Musk is denying the salute. He just doesn’t want to be called Hitler.
Just went to LinkedIn just to see bottom of the barrel bootlickers defending him.
” He’s autistic”, ” that picture is taken out of context”, ” it’s a Roman salute”, ” look at these out of context pictures of other politicians making the gesture”, ” how can he be a Nazi if he supports Israel?”
No he did a full on deliberate Nazi salute at a far right event.
I’m genuinely curious: who the fuck defends Elon and Nazis on LinkedIn? Are we so far divided as a country that it’s ok to associate employment with a penchant for Nazism?
Probably simps who can’t accept that Elon isn’t the real life Tony Stark they thought him to be.
And nazis don’t forget the nazis
Is there any difference at this point?
I’m autistic, I’ve never done this gesture. Everyone’s different, of course, but I’ve never seen anyone at all do this by accident. I’ve seen the defence that it’s a “from my heart to yours” gesture, but if that was true, it would be palm up. Palm up is the giving gesture. Palm down is a saluting gesture.
Yeah, excusing it by saying he’s autistic is ableist by itself. We’re not incapable of understanding dog whistles or concepts, you know?
Especially when people in the same breath call Elon a genius. You can’t have it both ways. Either he’s clueless and shouldn’t be in a position of power, or he’s actually a nazi… and shouldn’t be in a position of power
He should be in a position of power… ing my mom’s irises and marigolds.
there is no proof in roman writing or painting of this salute, there is no doubt about Musolinis fascist movement using it in 1919 and later the german nazis adopting it
The Roman salute is also known as the fascist salute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
It’s the oath of the Horatii and asterix - both well known for being reliable historical sources
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What’s decent about defending a Nazi?
He’s not a nazi. It’s questionable at best. And yet you guys go out of your way to shout that he’s a nazi
do the gesture and post it on here if it’s not a nazi gesture
Oh he makes big tweet where he agrees with tweet that say da joos are bringing in minorities to destabilize america, is from a literal nazi family, he doesn’t apologize for the literal nazi salute at all.
There are thousands of politicans all around the world that don’t do the gesture at politcal events.
You’re welcome to do the questionable gesture infront of a synagouge, israeli embassy or really any busy public place.
He looks like a Nazi
Talks like a Nazi
Acts like a NaziWhat would convince you?
That he did something that’s actually bad.
Like killing people.
But just reaching his hands in the air once that might be related Nazism, didn’t make him “definitely a nazi”
Surely we can find hints that somebody is a Nazi before we find out that they’ve killed people.
But jumping to conclusions is bad right?
There’s definitely interpretation to this gesture he did. This doesn’t make him a nazi. The people aggressively trying to push the users that he’s a nazi are acting more like Nazis than him.
This could be a mistake or a silly blunder or even just him trying to throw his affection out. But people shouting and screaming, calling people names and being derogatory is disturbing
He’s posted in support of far-right extremists in Germany and the UK multiple times, he’s ‘liked’ antisemitic posts on his shitshow of a site, he’s used avatars that are used by the alt and far right. And now he’s done this. A nazi salute. He’s a nazi. Nobody needs to ‘go out of their way’ to call him a nazi when everything he says and does shouts the fact from the fucking rooftops.
He’s not a nazi. You think he’s a member of the nazi party? Show me these terrible tweets your talking about
What lies are being spread?
Go back to sleep troll
Care to elaborate?
He made a heart thrown out gesture and now there’s all this hysteria probably artificial. That states he’s a nazi for one at the very least questionable event. Yet people are treating him like he’s gasing the Jews
huh, funny google analitics fails to find literally anything on this common “heart thrown out” gesture.
Thanks for proving again he did a nazi salute.
Nazism isn’t limited to hating Jews. They were targeting other marginalized groups at the time. This time they’re targeting a different set of groups, most notably transgender people.
I’ve got to say I don’t like that he likes posts that are anti trans. There’s no need for that.
