She was cool with fucking the brain slug when it was inside the man she describes as her brother, though.
For the 80s (maybe early 90s?) that was remarkably forward looking.
I feel like they had a second go of this theme in DS9 where Dax does do the new host
nice, it seems like as the seasons go on the themes are definitely getting deeper
I just finished watching this one yesterday actually, it annoys me so much that I struggle to watch it. Having seen it, and knowing it has absolutely no bearing on any plot, the smart thing to do would be to skip it, and yet I just slowly trudged through it anyway.
Could have been an awesome episode, but wasn’t IMO. They could have even confined it to Dr. Crusher’s own preferences, but instead it was a statement about humans as a whole.
3/10 episode for me, tops. And a large part of getting a 3 instead of a 1 is the introduction of the trill as a species.
it really WAS good until that moment on the end when she just got so pissed off. and then that monologue about how “maybe sOmEDaY hUMaNs wiLl bE oPeN MiNdED eNoUgH” like it had never occurred to her that sometimes Trill are female. Or she just assumed that she we was going to outlive multiple hosts and homeboy would be wearing a new skinsuit every week. do you know how silly that would be? if they had to priority-mail themselves new hosts across the galaxy every couple of months or years
Also please remember that this episode was penned on the 80s, 40 years ago, and to say that attitudes have changed a bit is a huge understatement
If anything, take it as a complement on how much has changed for the better since then that a then very progressive show now is outdated
I think the outcome is probably closer to a real Human reaction than any progressive agenda would have you hope to believe. Not every story is a lesson on how to be better. Some stories are just about the characters.
If my beautiful wife were suddenly turned into a dude, I’m not sure my marriage would last much longer. This isn’t me being shitty. This is me being human.
sort of? I’m more impressed by everything I saw up until that point. the clumsiness of the show is a credit to how people in the 80’s ans 90’s were trying to be forward thinking for the time against the popular culture.
this meme I made is probably overstating my reaction. you’ve got to understand I’m making a joke about the sudden shift in stance in a single scene and not actually bemoaning the ethics of the writing. the ethics are mostly good.
Yeah it ruined the episode for me, took away everything that happened before and boiled it down to a “human” issue rather than a “Dr. Crusher” issue.
Just a mistake of an episode.
I think it is somewhat unfair to “demand” of Beverly to be okay with her partner unexpectedly being a woman now. If she isn’t into that, unfortunate, but whom people are attracted to is very much their personal business, just as whom they identify as.
you know, in any other situation I’d agree but the whole episode was framing this narrative where she gets past that. was just a super weird heel-turn to go from “okay I can fuck a very long-lived parasite without knowing if their host consents” to “okay I can fuck the parasite in Ryker without Ryker consenting even though I see him as my brother” to “a femme presenting host??? THAT’S too far”
and then she was mad and weirdly condescending about it. being upset about the premise is kind of dogshit, after all that
if she isn’t attracted to a female body, then her saying no is understandable.
its not possible for a lot of people to just turn off what makes their hoo-haa happy. and holding someone responsible for what they can’t control seems unfair.
obviously. it’s just funny that it was somehow Goblin’s fault and that she was fine with body swapping up until that point
i mean riker do got dat dick doe. and it was really just meant to be a temporary dick.
…please nobody take the band name Temporary Dick cause I want it now. lol.
seemsisDon’t go easy on them, now!
transcendent explorations of love
It’s fine if he doesn’t have any body.
damn, really just don’t fuck with blondes
How did the makeup team do Dax’s spots anyway? Were they painted by hand, and a little different every day of shooting? Did they have a template and spray paint?
By hand.
Jesus, why is this picture so hot???
I think it’s really hard to get a picture of Terry and have it not be super hot.
Because Terry Ferrell.
Serious reply - apart from Terry being a beautiful woman, being touched in that area - neck to clavicle - is an intimate interaction
She also pretty much eyefucks the camera here
hhhnnnnggg
I always figured the ending was to get the episode to air at all during the era. Like it wasn’t obviously pro-tranistion, because no official protagonist transitioned or loved someone who did. :(
I’m thankful that Trek has managed stronger message with actual protagonists, since.
Of course, it must have also been to ensure the sacred expectations of television networks that episodes can air in any order because nothing meaningful changes.
for sure. crazy though that in the nineties this was just the line.
iirc It’s because he didn’t tell her shit until afterwards.
Fuck, you’re a hot chick now wtf else is gonna happen?? Do you turn into a steamshovel or suddenly speak only in riddles or some shit?
It’s about being honest with your partner and how shit can be fucked when you lie (by omission, anyway).
It wasn’t a lie, though, because there was no intent to deceive. The trill just views this as normal. They saw no more reason to “reveal” how their biology works than a human might feel the need to disclose that they’ll wrinkle and weaken with age.
Realistically spacefaring races would probably find ways of sorting these things out before getting involved, but that’s how it was presented in the episode.
The trill just views this as normal. They saw no more reason to “reveal” how their biology works than a human might feel the need to disclose that they’ll wrinkle and weaken with age.
if you visited a planet where everyone is in their 20s and never age, i am pretty sure you would feel obligated to point the fact you will age and wrinkle to someone before you marry them.
and it is not like the trills are delusional and have no idea how different they are from other non-joined species.
Been too long since I saw the episode. Skimming the transcript, this is the quote I remembered:
It never occurred to me. This is what I am. Did you ever tell me that you are only a single being? Of course not. That was normal to you.
And since Beverly gives no real pushback to that, I kind of assumed that was a fair justification: that the Trill as they existed in this episode simply hasn’t had enough contact with other humanoids to know they were different.
But skimming the rest of the transcript, you’re right. Odan doesn’t correct anyone who refers to his previous work as that of his father. He clearly understands this difference and purposefully hides it.
Feel like that makes the episode less interesting. And especially worse retrospectively if we apply the obvious trans metaphor…
or suddenly speak only in riddles or some shit?
I can’t decide if this is racist against Tamarians, Q, or both. \s
what were they (?) supposed to tell her? they didn’t get to choose either of the new bodies they were provided. seems like to them that the host’s sex plays very little of a role to them anyway
Pretty sure they should have told her they’d change their physical form completely, for starters.
Which episode was this? Don’t recall it.
“The Host,” which is also the first episode with the Trill.
And the last episode with the Trill looking like that.
They do not discuss it with outsiders.
This is my sign that it’s time for another rewatch.
I’ve never made it through tng. Actually trying as gain right now on season 3.
Season 3 is when TNG becomes TNG.
I’m impressed you made it through the first 2 seasons at all. The racist jungle gym fight is always when I tap out, and I’ve watched the rest of TNG an endless amount of times.
first two seasons and some parts of 3 were rough 😅 do you mean Worf’s battle program where he made fuck?
wait, I somehow missed that one. gotta go back
I’m a voyager baby, I’ll rewatch the forever.
I started tng on season 3 this time because the finale is worf 359.
I’m kinda not paying attention but so far so good
