I posted this when Youtube was doing it by ‘mistake’ too…
If you are paying to not receive ads, and you receive an ad by mistake, they should pay you whatever they earned on the ad. Now… I doubt they’ll actually pay you dollars, but lets say at minimum 1 day of free extended service per ad, but if they earn more than 1 days worth via the ad, then it should be whatever that is.
And then they wonder why everyone is fixing the hulls of their ships and getting new sails.
Edit: whats family plan these days? 20€/month? My local record shop has new albums for 20€. I’d guess you can find a lot of good stuff on sale for 10€. So might as well buy an album or two per month. In a year you’d already have 12-24 albums. You can make a decent playlist out of those. Do that for a few years and you have a excellent music collection that lasts decades. Spotify is stupid and pointless if you really think about it.
Or self hosting their own Jellyfin
It’s the same thing.
A music collection on your harddive is a joy for you personally for ever
A music collection on a VPS hosting a Jellyfin with accounts for your family and friends is a joy forever for all your family and friends (as long as you pay the hosting fees)
A music collection on your harddive is a joy for you personally for ever
As long as you take care of backups
The hard drive that I bought last year and need for backing up has doubled in price. $500 fucking for 22TB… I have no clue what to do now…
Some consolation that most if not all of your music is backed up on the internet.
Instead of paying monthly for a VPS you could get a mini PC from eBay for 100 dollars and host it yourself
I’ve been saying that for years. Now I have about 250 albums drm-free on Bandcamp. A good chunk of that money went to the people making the music, too.
I know there are people out there paying a subscription to Spotify who listen to the same dozen albums over and over, too.
Remember, only shop on Bandcamp Fridays, when all the money goes to the artists. The corporate owners are not playing nice with the employee union.
Yup exactly. Since I still pirate, I haven’t bought albums very actively, only here and there but I have about 120-130 albums in my shelf. I have a friend who uses spotify, he has connected it to Last.fm. I once checked and he’s been scrobbling since 2016… he has 80 unique albums on the list there. Seems like a waste of money, but hey, at least its not my money.
1.: I divide the payment of Family across 3 members.
2.: I listen to so many songs individually, it would bankrupt me to buy every single song individually or the full album.
3.: I’ll buy an album (2nd hand discogs (so good)/ebay, digitally on wherever or bandcamp). If I don’t like the music as much or the buying process is annoying, I’ll pirate the song.So yeah. It depends.
Yeah, but Spotify is and always has been a really poorly designed app. Google sucks in a lot of ways, but YouTube Music is a great platform.
Depends on how you use it.
I like it and it works for what I need from it.
Well, not really. I’ve discovered a ton of music in the past couple years I never would have bought or even had access to, without streaming. But Spotify does suck, I much prefer YouTube Music, which comes with Premium.
I should really learn to not make these sort of ultimatum type statements.
Of course there’s some good things about it. But I’ve never been a spotify user, I’ve discovered a whole lot of stuff through things like last.fm, youtube and just music themed internet forums and IRC etc. So I wont argue that you can’t find stuff through spotify, but I’ll say that there are other ways to discover things, making spotify not necessary but helpful in that regard.
From HN comments:
This is just the latest in a series of vibe-coding caused bugs, Spotify famously claimed their best devs were no longer writing any of their own code:
The minute I have ads in my paid subscription it’s a cancel
Exactly why I canceled Amazon Prime. 100% would recommend canceling. I don’t miss it.
Likewise. I’ve been putting off setting up a Soulseek+Navidrome stack on my home server. I’m sure there’s a way to integrate ListenBrainz suggestions too. First ad I hear, I’m doing it.
I think you can integrate lidarr into SoulSeek too.
Soulseek for the win what is navidrome, i’m unfamiliar.
It’s a self-hosted music streaming server. Basically a build-your-own-Spotify. Available as a Docker image.
Hell yeah, today is the day
I use Navidrome and scrobble to ListenBrainz and Last.fm for suggestions. I’ve recently learnt about Sonobarr but haven’t tried it yet.
It’s not as seamless as playing a song/artist station on spotify or just letting it decide what to continue with at the end of a playlist, but it’s also free (in both ways!).
Thanks a lot for the tips!
Can’t talk about navidrome, but jellyfin has a listenbrainz plugin :)
I use Jellyfin for video but it doesn’t strike me as the best for audio…
Yeah same here, I’ve been procrastinating while I gradually build my collection of mp3s/flacs, but the second I hear an ad on Spotify I’m done.
I buy my music from the artists as directly as possible via Band Camp.
I went back to Winamp last year and don’t regret it at all.
Where do you get the media from, though
Remember CDs? Actually owning stuff?
Yarr matey!
Your local library should rent CD’s. Rent 'em and rip 'em into mp3’s and BOOM!, Robert’s your dad’s brother.
Behold the Atlantean and their mastery of laser decoding mechanisms!
Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer.
Just recently signed up for Qobuz. I’m planning on purchasing albums as I go along so at least I’m left with something the day I decide to quit.
Fun fact, there are tools to rip FLAC files of music you stream on qobuz so you can build up your music hoard
I would prefer they just make their apps good.
But it’s kind of bizarre that daily/weekly playlists are only in app.
And the radio function! They really should update their UI.
I respect that, I personally prefer to prepare for the inevitable rugpull that ever software as a service company does
Worst mobile app on the planet with SO many bugs, but dammit if they aren’t a clean platform otherwise.
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Deezer was playing ICE recruitment ads last year. I think it’s important for people to know so they can make a more informed decision.
I’m using Tidal, but i can’t say i really like it. They seem to randomly decide what songs and artists are not available, and their search function is really bad.
I used Tidal for a few months, then found out it had silently removed ~10% of my music from my “liked” list. Completely unacceptable. They should at least keep a list of titles so I can go back and fix it. People say all services do this, but I’ve been keeping an eye on it and Spotify hasn’t done it since I hopped back.
Qobuz was painful to use and new music discovery was hopeless. No idea if they were removing tracks too.
Bandcamp seems cool, but I prefer to listen to music via song-based-radios, so that’s a no go.
Not sure what I’ll do if I have to drop Spotify again over ads.
That’s not up to the streaming service but the record company.
Personally I switched from Tidal to Qobuz this year and I like it much better.
That’s not up to the streaming service but the record company.
That doesn’t really matter for the end user as they’re in a relationship with the streamer not the record companies. I hate this drive to obfuscate responsibility in corporate America.
Dude, you are the one obfuscating.
Qobuz and Deezer are French, Tidal was originally Norwegian, Spotify was originally Swedish and record companies are from all over the world.
If record companies make exclusive deals with platforms for some releases and pull distribution for others, then blaming the streaming services excluded is just plain fucking stupid.
Nicotine+, qmmp
This is just the latest in a series of vibe-coding caused bugs, Spotify famously claimed their best devs were no longer writing any of their own code:
I don’t know if this makes it better or worse.
Worse. It makes it worse.
Is this news site Peter Thiels?
It’s like reddit for techbros that gush about the latest fads and startups. Not sure who owns it, but it’s probably the worst venture capitalists. The moderation is very heavy against anyone that becomes even slightly politically aware.
Ycombinator is peter thiel. This is a news aggregator and social media site housed in his network. Fucking losers.
Signs your business model has truly failed.
They alll fail when forever gain growth is the expectation.
This is literally the only reason to fork over cash to spotify, are they insane?
Time to switch to Qobuz then. Goodbye Spotify.
Amazon does it, YouTube does it. Everyone will do it eventually. Greed has no threshold
YouTube does not do that, unless you’re referring to sponsorships which are mostly handled and organized and introduced to the viewer apart from YouTube’s meddling.
It has the threshold its victims allow by maintaining a relationship with the greedy.
(En)Shittify
I have heard this before from rando Reddit posts where it turns out they were listening to podcasts that just had the ads baked into the broadcast.
They still serve personalized ads in the podcasts. They aren’t baked in.
Love hearing about products and services as I’m listening to my podcast about genocides and warcrimes. Mustard gas really gets me in the mood Blue Apron.
Mmm… Mustard… 🤤
Nope. Had it happen to me: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25040771
TLDR: I know it because the ads were German but the podcast is in English.
TLDR: I know it because the ads were German but the podcast is in English.
That can still happen and happens to me too, despite using a no-ad FOSS player, so the ads are definitely from the podcast, not the player.
Dynamic ad insertion is absolutely a thing in podcasts. If you access/download the MP3 file on the server from a German IP address, a German ad will be put in at the specified ad break before you/your player downloads the file.So a different language ad doesn’t mean it’s from Spotify.
(PS: By the way, using a VPN connected to a country where not many companies make podcast ads works basically like a podcast ad blocker. I route my podcast player through an Albania VPN and have like 80% less ads than before. The remainder is “classic” podcast ads that are inserted as a static part of the MP3 file, no way to get rid of those.)
No.
It was literally an ad break done into the stream.
The WAN show does not speak German. And they have their own sponsor section. So no way for anyone other than the creator deciding to insert a ad-break during upload of an episode (or getting it suggested by Spotify).
This is assumedly exactly as YT does it.Yeah I get that but the way I experienced it is that ads can appear in a podcast in any of the following three instances:
- Podcaster themselves record the podcast, may or may not add advertisement (self-spoken in their language)
- Podcast network which the podcaster is a member of adds ad break time codes, in which later ads are inserted, dynamically based on the listener’s location (pre-spoken, usually in the local language of the listener’s location, sometimes personalized)
- The podcast player/platform (Spotify, Pocket casts, antennapod etc) adds advertisements (also pre-spoken and in local or app language, more often personalized)
The podcast player’s ads can not be distinguished from the podcast network’s ads, except that they have a higher tendency for personalized ads (given that personalization is enabled in the privacy settings) or if the player declares it as an advertisement in a place where the podcast can’t. Or if you know that a podcast is on an ad free network. Other than that, you don’t really know if it’s an ad by Spotify or the podcast’s network.
My point is that, unless your player is explicitly declaring an ad as such, you cannot diatinguish a podcast network’s ad from a player ad. The only proof I have to know it’s a network’s ad in my case is that my player is open source and ad free. If I used a closed source commercial player, I wouldn’t know from who the ad is coming when it’s in my local language.
I’m German too and got German ads on english podcasts, but I know that the player didn’t insert it, so you can never be too sure if it’s Spotify adding them either.
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They do serve ads on podcasts. Not all of them though. It used to be that they were separate, so that you were shown a different “now playing” screen. I first noticed when it happened on otherwise ad free shows, like Lateral. Not sure if that’s the case now? Some of the podcasts I listen to jump in length from the episode list to the “now playing” screen, which is weird. Don’t know if it’s because injected ads or not though, or if they’re even from Spotify. I haven’t seen those ads that are on a new “now playing” screen in a while.
