Senderos did too, he started the fa cup final we won against united and also during the CL run to the final when we set a record for most consecutive clean sheets. He just had a few awful games getting bullied by Drogba in particular and his confidence completely went away.
His career arc was honestly closer to someone like Rob Holding than some of these other players who were terrible from match 1.
Genuinely like Mustafi was nowhere near great by any means, but I put him alongside the likes of Holdinho as ‘alright’. I think a lot of people just take the few big errors and automatically think he was abysmal, when he was just mediocre
I think a Holding comparison is a bit of a disservice. Mustafi was one of the weird contradictions that was generally a very good defender that was confoundingly prone to errors in the premier league. Holding has been generally a consistent performer not prone to massive mental lapses but his ceiling is just not high enough and he gets bullied by better front lines.
I think Senderos yes, but in my memory Djourous best performances was him not being an absolute liability whereas I remember thinking Senderos actually had some solid matches.
He had a great start, I remember a prominent figure on AFTV after we signed him and he looked promising. “That that is what you get when you spend some f-ing money?!”
My problem with Mustafi is this. A lot of those others were either
Young guys who werent really up to scratch
Old guys who were past it
Both were in the team because of budget constraints
Mustafi…he wasnt hugely expensive, but he wasnt cheap. And he had international and big league pedigree, and was in the squad at a period where we SHOULD have done better than we were - he is essentially a part of a very underacheiving squad, and as one of the more senior players made so many unforgivable mistakes (that shit with Augero on the half way line in the FA cup final)
Cygan was 28 and had just won POTY in France the season before he joined us, hardly old and past it. He was just as bad as Mustafi if not worse - at least Mustafi could actually run.
How? It’s literally a personal question. Which defender did YOU dread the most? People who answer different than you aren’t “wrong” they may be a newer fan or they may just legitimately have more trauma from watching mustafi lmao
People saying Mustafi have recency bias
Seriously. And he got more criticism than he deserved, which actually gave him more confidence issues and caused him to make more mistakes
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Mustafi had the hardest time as he was here when social media and more precisely memes became mainstream
Mustafi actually had some decent periods at least.
He was the player with the most consistent headers on the squad for a bit. Also lunged into too many mistakes.
Problem is, everytine he had a good game in 17 and 18 he got a freaking fifa team of the weekcard.
Senderos did too, he started the fa cup final we won against united and also during the CL run to the final when we set a record for most consecutive clean sheets. He just had a few awful games getting bullied by Drogba in particular and his confidence completely went away.
His career arc was honestly closer to someone like Rob Holding than some of these other players who were terrible from match 1.
Drogba proper ended Senderos, just destroyed him
Genuinely like Mustafi was nowhere near great by any means, but I put him alongside the likes of Holdinho as ‘alright’. I think a lot of people just take the few big errors and automatically think he was abysmal, when he was just mediocre
I think a Holding comparison is a bit of a disservice. Mustafi was one of the weird contradictions that was generally a very good defender that was confoundingly prone to errors in the premier league. Holding has been generally a consistent performer not prone to massive mental lapses but his ceiling is just not high enough and he gets bullied by better front lines.
Djouro and Senders as well.
I think Senderos yes, but in my memory Djourous best performances was him not being an absolute liability whereas I remember thinking Senderos actually had some solid matches.
Wasn’t Djouro quite good during the 10/11 season or possibly the one after?
Especially when David Luiz I feel was so much worse, he was a red waiting to happen most games
He had a great start, I remember a prominent figure on AFTV after we signed him and he looked promising. “That that is what you get when you spend some f-ing money?!”
Aged so well 😂
My problem with Mustafi is this. A lot of those others were either
Both were in the team because of budget constraints
Mustafi…he wasnt hugely expensive, but he wasnt cheap. And he had international and big league pedigree, and was in the squad at a period where we SHOULD have done better than we were - he is essentially a part of a very underacheiving squad, and as one of the more senior players made so many unforgivable mistakes (that shit with Augero on the half way line in the FA cup final)
He also was seemingly a good fit for our system, most of his errors were inexplicable lapses in concentration
Mostly down to bad decision making. Knowing when to stand off and when to go into tackles. I think that’s what made mustafi
Cygan was 28 and had just won POTY in France the season before he joined us, hardly old and past it. He was just as bad as Mustafi if not worse - at least Mustafi could actually run.
Cygan was only 2m, and was largely a fringe player, barring a few odd games
Mustafi was our starting CB for like 5 years and played pretty much every game he wasn’t injured for
the rest were signed as depth, he was signed as a starter.
Mustafi single handedly cost us CL qualification against Crystal Palace.
Have you forgotten him twerking on Aguero too?
I can stomach a player having flaws due to talent or age but being a complete idiot can’t is the worst offence possible.
Wasn’t he then voted the worst player in the Bundesliga by Bundesliga players.
The winner is Mustafi abeg.
It’s really not. He’s been a part of two of the top 5 worst defences in the 21st century (Levante/Schalke)
What’s the opposite? Because I think you have that, Mustafi was a liability from day one. He had some ok performances, but all the players listed had.
honestly he was pretty good until he got hurt. squillaci and silvestre were…not
How? It’s literally a personal question. Which defender did YOU dread the most? People who answer different than you aren’t “wrong” they may be a newer fan or they may just legitimately have more trauma from watching mustafi lmao