1. Johan Djourou
  2. Shkrodan Mustafu
  3. Sebastien Squillaci
  4. Pascal Cygan
  5. Phillipe Senderos
  6. Igors Stepanov
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      11 months ago

      Seriously. And he got more criticism than he deserved, which actually gave him more confidence issues and caused him to make more mistakes

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      11 months ago

      Mustafi had the hardest time as he was here when social media and more precisely memes became mainstream

      • IlamaIickerIlIIl@alien.topB
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        11 months ago

        He was the player with the most consistent headers on the squad for a bit. Also lunged into too many mistakes.

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        11 months ago

        Senderos did too, he started the fa cup final we won against united and also during the CL run to the final when we set a record for most consecutive clean sheets. He just had a few awful games getting bullied by Drogba in particular and his confidence completely went away.

        His career arc was honestly closer to someone like Rob Holding than some of these other players who were terrible from match 1.

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        11 months ago

        Genuinely like Mustafi was nowhere near great by any means, but I put him alongside the likes of Holdinho as ‘alright’. I think a lot of people just take the few big errors and automatically think he was abysmal, when he was just mediocre

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          11 months ago

          I think a Holding comparison is a bit of a disservice. Mustafi was one of the weird contradictions that was generally a very good defender that was confoundingly prone to errors in the premier league. Holding has been generally a consistent performer not prone to massive mental lapses but his ceiling is just not high enough and he gets bullied by better front lines.

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          11 months ago

          I think Senderos yes, but in my memory Djourous best performances was him not being an absolute liability whereas I remember thinking Senderos actually had some solid matches.

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            11 months ago

            Wasn’t Djouro quite good during the 10/11 season or possibly the one after?

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        11 months ago

        Especially when David Luiz I feel was so much worse, he was a red waiting to happen most games

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      11 months ago

      He had a great start, I remember a prominent figure on AFTV after we signed him and he looked promising. “That that is what you get when you spend some f-ing money?!”

      Aged so well 😂

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      11 months ago

      My problem with Mustafi is this. A lot of those others were either

      1. Young guys who werent really up to scratch
      2. Old guys who were past it

      Both were in the team because of budget constraints

      Mustafi…he wasnt hugely expensive, but he wasnt cheap. And he had international and big league pedigree, and was in the squad at a period where we SHOULD have done better than we were - he is essentially a part of a very underacheiving squad, and as one of the more senior players made so many unforgivable mistakes (that shit with Augero on the half way line in the FA cup final)

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        11 months ago

        He also was seemingly a good fit for our system, most of his errors were inexplicable lapses in concentration

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        11 months ago

        Mostly down to bad decision making. Knowing when to stand off and when to go into tackles. I think that’s what made mustafi

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        11 months ago

        Cygan was 28 and had just won POTY in France the season before he joined us, hardly old and past it. He was just as bad as Mustafi if not worse - at least Mustafi could actually run.

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          11 months ago

          Cygan was only 2m, and was largely a fringe player, barring a few odd games

          Mustafi was our starting CB for like 5 years and played pretty much every game he wasn’t injured for

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      11 months ago

      Mustafi single handedly cost us CL qualification against Crystal Palace.

      Have you forgotten him twerking on Aguero too?

      I can stomach a player having flaws due to talent or age but being a complete idiot can’t is the worst offence possible.

      Wasn’t he then voted the worst player in the Bundesliga by Bundesliga players.

      The winner is Mustafi abeg.

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      11 months ago

      It’s really not. He’s been a part of two of the top 5 worst defences in the 21st century (Levante/Schalke)

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      11 months ago

      What’s the opposite? Because I think you have that, Mustafi was a liability from day one. He had some ok performances, but all the players listed had.

    • ShutUpCatPeopleRule@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      How? It’s literally a personal question. Which defender did YOU dread the most? People who answer different than you aren’t “wrong” they may be a newer fan or they may just legitimately have more trauma from watching mustafi lmao