Interesting that Nasir seems to be the biggest moving piece in people’s responses

That’s not how anything works. Lots of legal cases are dismissed or lost on pure procedure and not the actual objective truth.

Process is a part of justice as well.

I think a Holding comparison is a bit of a disservice. Mustafi was one of the weird contradictions that was generally a very good defender that was confoundingly prone to errors in the premier league. Holding has been generally a consistent performer not prone to massive mental lapses but his ceiling is just not high enough and he gets bullied by better front lines.

I think Senderos yes, but in my memory Djourous best performances was him not being an absolute liability whereas I remember thinking Senderos actually had some solid matches.