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    7 days ago

    If the 360 generation is retro than what is the playstation 2 generation or Windows 95/98 and Ps1 generation? Let alone the Super Nintendo generation.

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    7 days ago

    I’m considering a console as retro if they run on cartridges. All Xboxes are modern consoles.

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    I hate to break it to you but… It’s been over 20 years. It’s more retro now than the SNES was when the 360 came out.

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        I mean yeah. There isn’t that much of a drastic shift in game design, except for the bleeding of RPG mechanics into more genres, more roguelite mechanics in indie games (choose one of 3) and having equipment systems in multiplayer FPSes. The biggest hit of 2024 was basically solitaire.

        It’s hardly that much more different.

        Wheras, going from snes through ps1 to xbox 360, things went from 2d (and extremely crude 3d) to textured 3d with jank controls to high fidelity games with standardised controls. Not much changed after that. The huge “innovations” of VR, motion controls, are basically niche due to economic factors, so people aren’t exactly having commonplace motion control VR experiences that put them in the game and comparing that to ducking behind cover in gears of war. They’re comparing making cover in Fortnite with ducking behind cover in gears of war.

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        The line between 4th and 5th gen (SNES to N64) was enormous, 5th to 6th was pretty significant, 6th to 7th was noticeable, and it’s been 20 years of small improvements since then.

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          There is a noticeable difference in graphics from 7th to 9th. But 8th felt like a half step. And it doesn’t feel like there are noticeable improvements in any graphics, physics engines, lighting or anything else since 2020 when 9th gen started. This cant be said about any generations up to 8th.

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        Heres how that works:

        Gaming got popular.

        Normies like fancy graphics, production value, and are swayed by fake trailers and mass marketing campaigns.

        (Doing all that well, in a way that people can actually afford to pay for, is extremely difficult and very expensive)

        Corpos discovered they could turn everything into primarily a market for subscriptions and micro transactions, that houses a game, and most normies kept paying for all that untill the economy entered the Second Great Depression.

        … its basically Dutch Disease, but for video gaming.

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      Me then: “Haha ‘time marches on’ what a cool phrase”

      Me now: “Yo, time, can we maybe slow the pace or take the break?” Time: “No. Only march on.” Me: visibly aging

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      Frankly, the reason this is shocking to people is that games, graphically and mechanically, made leaps and bounds from the SNES to the 360, and gave largely stagnanted from the 360 to now.

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              Saying technology hasn’t progressed in 10 years is a very different statement than technology hasn’t progressed in 20 years.

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                Phones, as we know them today, entered market much later than consoles or PCs.

                My point is that eventually we hit the ceiling of progress. PCs and consoles hit their peak 20 years ago while phones did 10 years ago. Things haven’t changed in a while for both of them and it doesn’t feel so far that there will be major progress any time soon.

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                  We’ve got driverless cars and CRISPR gene editing. Those weren’t around 20 years ago. You don’t think those are major advancements?

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            The Iphone entered the marked in 2007, before that is what entirely possible to connect a PDA to the internet via you dumbphone (using IRC from my palm pilot in the 90s surely felt cool…)

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              My phone can literally be used as VR goggles and stream HD video pretty much anywhere in the country. But smart phones existed in 07 and PDAs existed in the 90s. Yeah, no difference between these things. lol.

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                Ah… you mean its better at providing a more potent form of a digital drug? Ok…

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                  I feel like y’all are just being contrarian doomers. Listen, I get it. The ruling class of billionaires use technology for nefarious purposes to control us and extract every penny of money they possibly can by selling our attention spans in ever increasing ways. I’m not saying they don’t. I’m not saying we live in a utopia. I’m just saying that there have absolutely been a lot of technological improvements in the past 20 years.

                  Folks saying “actually PDAs had internet access in the '90s” are, fuck, not even missing the forest for the trees, they’re just covering their eyes and refusing to acknowledge that they’re surrounded by trees.

                  We’ve got driverless cars. Yes, they’re far from perfect, and I wouldn’t really say they’re adequate, but we do have honest to god driverless cars. Electric ones too! And they aren’t just a gimmick, they really do give gas cars a run for their money. 3d printers are a home commodity now much like traditional printers have been in the past. CRISPR lets us modify genes. The idea of watching a 4k video on the Internet in 2006 would’ve been crazy. AI has improved a lot, and I don’t even mean the modern generative AI like LLMs or Stable Diffusion, even prior to that machine learning was a huge thing.

                  Relevant XKCD.

                  https://xkcd.com/1425/

                  That was released in 2014. You know what I can do now with my phone? I can take a picture of a bird and search to see what kind of bird it is. Reverse image search has been around for a while, but it used to just find things that were mostly pixel for pixel matches. Now it’s much more capable.

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              You don’t think there’s any difference between today’s phones and the 2007 ones? Not in cell coverage either?

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                Not in terms of navigating a city, which have had universal coverage since the flip phone days.

                Also, just an FYI: GPS has had global coverage since the 1970s and doesn’t require a cell signal at all.

                Smart phone advancements have been incremental since they were released, very little had changed in terms of basic functionality. The biggest difference is that you can listen to music while your getting navigated now.

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                  Dude, take the rose tinted goggles off for a second. I had a GPS navigation system for my car early on, around ~2010, maybe a little earlier, that thing was shit. It could hardly figure out where I was in the city. It would very often snap to the wrong road and I’d have to reboot it. Today, it’s simple. I just pull out my magical everything device and use an app. Technology has progressed A TON in 20 years.

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      8 days ago

      Yeah, but the SNES became retro the moment the PS1 came out. That leap in tech was ridiculous.

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      You’re a generation off: It’s more retro now than the NES (US release) was when the 360 came out. We crossed that threshold about a month ago.

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      Perhaps I’m in a minority but when the PS3 and 360 first debuted I did not consider even the NES to be “retro”. I would have applied that term to the likes of an Atari 2600 or colecovision.

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        The NES and Atari are separated by mere 6 years. The NES and Xbox 360 are separated by nearly 22 years. That’s how much the perception of graphical advancement has decelerated. Sure we keep making leaps on graphical fidelity, but ever more in areas that are less and less noticeable every time.

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          The picture is an xbox 360 s

          it’s an xbox 360 S which is different to a xbox one s, not to be confused with the xbox series s.

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              And under no circumstances confuse any other Microsoft products with each other, except under confusing circumstances.

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                If you thought it was difficult to find help with Microsoft’s remote desktop program named Remote Desktop… They renamed it to… Windows App.

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                Why the fuck they wouldnt brand with this strategy is beyond me. I came up with this like 16 years ago and stand by it.

                Xbox

                Xbox 360

                Xbox 720

                Xbox 900

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                  I’ve heard the reason for the name of XBox 360’s successor was that some marketing geniuses heard that most people called it “the three-sixty” for short, and thought “Great! Let’s call this the XBox One, and it will be referred to as The One! Like Neo!!”

                  And then, everyone collectively agreed on “XBone” 🦴

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                  So the Xbox 720 is twice as good as the one before it, but the 900 only gives you a 25% increase? Who’d buy that garbage?

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      There’s more time between the release of the 360 and (picking a random game that released this week) Pathologic 3, than there is between then and the release of Super Mario Bros on the NES

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    The 360 was released in 2005. That’s over 20 years ago. Yes, they would be considered classics at this point. And know what, I wish more folks younger than myself discovered how gaming WAS and realize what it’s turned into.

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    Keep in mind the launch model of the 360 didn’t have an HDMI port, most people still had a CRT, and it didn’t even come with component cables, there was only a composite lead in the box, you had to pay extra for component cables if you wanted them.

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    It’s 21 years old this year 😭

    Take solace that old != obsolete.

    I still play Just Cause 2, Fallout 3 and a bunch of 360 GOATs

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    Well, it’s over 20 years old now, so probably. It’s also really easy to softmod recently. Last year I got one for $25 at a thrift shop and modded it, so it’s also a great time to get one.

    So far, I only played Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie on it though, and messed around a bit with the first release of Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition.

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      Can you get XBL Arcade games running on it? Half the games I’d want to play were on the arcade rather than disc games.

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        Yep, that’s still true. However, you can install ABadAvatar onto a USB stick which will run the exploit automatically upon startup. It usually takes about a minute for the exploit to successfully start and occasionally crashes (only happened to me once).

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      as an early 90s-born millennial near the upper limit of gen z, it’s been great seeing them discover mid 20s aging as I enter my early 30s :) it doesn’t stop Gen Z. You keep on aging from here on out. I remember thinking the 70s were only 30 years ago, and the 80s only 20.

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        it feels like there are 2 kinds of people: those who feel old at 23, and those who don’t stop feeling like a child until every hair on their head and face is gray.

        I’d fall into the latter category because i’m 26 and i don’t feel quite adult yet, despite the front of my chin being gray already.

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        Though on the flip side, remember that however old you are right now, it’s also the youngest you’ll ever be going forward.

        Feeling old in your 20s? Many people are active into their 60s, some keep going strong into their 90s.

        Unless you’re recovering from illness or injury, the current version of your body might be the best version you’ll ever see again.

        Though one suggestion that left my own body far more capable, if you’re the skinny and weak type, do some proper workouts. Proper as in spend the time to learn proper form and also ensure you’re getting enough energy and protein in your diet. You’ll gain strength that will stay with you until you do get really old (assuming your body doesn’t atrophy due to starvation or being bedridden before then).

        Eg, when I first started working out, I couldn’t curl 20 lbs, had to go down to 15. But I was curling 20 a week or two later and was pushing 40 lbs about a year or two later, then my workout habit dropped off and 8 years have passed and I can still curl over 30 lbs when I get curious in the dumbbell section of stores that carry them.

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          I used to be over 300lbs a year ago, I’m 170 now after a lot of work. That may be true for most, but 10 years ago my body was horrific

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            Congrats, that’s some great progress!

            Yeah, the bit about working out was intended to be an exception to what I was saying, but I didn’t communicate it very well.

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    In my opinion, no. For me it’s not about time, 360 for the most part plays just like any other present day console. Only difference is that development and marketing budgets went out of control (a trend that was already underway during later seventh generation), and the relentless stream of CoD, Halo and GTA clones stopped (THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT).

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      I can still remember I think some new grounds stick figure type animated comic, made back when it was Macromedia Flash, not Adobe Flash, and it was mocking the idea of 20 years in the future we would have Call of Duty 16.

      … I think if you actually count them numerically we are now beyond 20.

      … 24 mainline games, apparently.

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      GTA clones stopped (THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT).

      I mean, open world games are commonplace. It’s like saying “doomclones” stopped. Yeah, they became fpses.

      but on the other hand “realistic crime open world games” kinda gta knockoffs were more commonplace back then.

      Unfortunately, somehow, gta feels like a gta knockoff. I didn’t even finish V, and the satire just seemed less biting, and late to the punch. Like the jokes it was making had already been made elsewhere, so it felt stale and done before.

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        I can only think of driver, saints row, maybe simpsons hit and run. Were there any others worthwile?

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        I guess it depends on when you played it. Remember that GTA5 came out in 2013. It was a little more current in its satire 10 years ago.

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        I mean, open world games are commonplace.

        Nobody calls Minecraft or The Outer Wilds a GTA-like. Even if you want to stick “3D RPG” on there, nobody considers Morrowind or New Vegas to be a GTA-like.

        On the other hand I would consider games like Cyberpunk: 2077 and Red Faction: Guerilla to be GTA-likes, as they both fall squarely in the GTA/Far Cry/Assassin’s Creed triangle. This has to do not just with the shape of the map, but the systems within it, the design ethos / expected player actions, and the way the narrative is structured and presented.

        It’s like saying “doomclones” stopped. Yeah, they became fpses.

        In my opinion mentioning “doom clones” is a thought terminating cliche. I have never seen it improve the quality of a discussion because it shuts down conversations about the similarities and differences between games and how much the various qualities contribute to creating a distinctive experience.

        If the only thing a game had in common with DOOM was the structure of its levels then I wouldn’t even consider it comparable (at least for general description). If it had the same core gameplay mechanics and feel as doom but added some of its own ideas I might call it a doom-like. If a game just poorly imitated all of DOOM’s mechanics without bringing anything new to the table, then yeah, I would probably consider that to be a shitty knockoff.

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        These two cases aren’t the same though. Doom built a whole new genre by building on Wolf 3D’s foundation, it just didn’t have a name at the time. Very few 90s fps games actually play like Doom, or even try to. They all got their own thing going.

        GTA clones definitely wanted to be like GTA, I can tell by just looking at them. I didn’t play any GTA inspired games besides Retro City Rampage so I don’t know which titles in particular deserve to be seen as knockoffs but they were out there.

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      When consoles got “accounts” and avatars, that was the death of them. Theyre just subscription dumb terminal spyware now.

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        I think what killed the traditional console are the hardware progression and the decline of physical games. In 90s consoles had very different specs that gave them specialty. When you bought one it deteremined what kind of game library you would have access to, not just a few exclusives. And playing them was super convenient, you popped in your cartridge or disk and you were good to go.

        Neither of those things exist today. While the console form factor still has value, there is no justification for the closed ecosystems around them in my opinion.