• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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      Yes. The Russian economy went down last year, they think it will go up this year, and we’re basing that on reports from inside a propaganda-rich country that most recently regularly reports it’s winning a war it’s getting its ass kicked in.

      Excuse the more practical-minded for not believing their self-indulgent economic propaganda at face value.

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        Many words, no single proof. You’ve just made propaganda yourself blaming Russia for it. Not?

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          Literally countering your propaganda.

          What do you want proof of?

          Are you providing proof of anything? Sounds like your quoting improbable Russian talking points.

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            Propaganda must be fought with proof. You haven’t provided any, but baseless, angry statements.

            No proof for your words = you’re making propaganda youself.

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                Any rational person can clearly see that you’re being angry and not arguing in good faith.

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              Baseless - I gave the example of Russia lying about how well its doing in their current war(this is proof against trusting their veracity).

              Russia had an entire shadow economy that was completely differently valued than its actually economy for over a generation while it was the USSR, and the reports of their economy they issued were fabricated for decades.

              They already fooled you once, and you’re telling everybody that Russia should be allowed to do it again.

              Angry? Nope. These are simple truths and you just don’t like them.

              You ignoring proof doesn’t mean it hasn’t been provided to you.

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                If Russia was so weak, it would’ve already collapsed under 15k+ sactions and US with West wouldn’t have had nothing to worry about. Or they would’ve already defeated it militarily. Why haven’t they still?

                How many times have predicted it to collapse, for the last 1.5 years? Dozens. Where’s defeat in Ukraine? 50 countries together that can’t even come close to match 1 country. Who’s winning?

                Who then, Russia or West/US, make propaganda?

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                  Again, I don’t know which words you need help with. You can just ask for help, you know.

                  Do you mean that you don’t know about the fudged USSR shadow economy of the ussr or the current lies war going on?

                  USSR shadow economy - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_economy_of_Russia

                  Almost half of all the reported income of the USSR was coming from gambling, corruption and drugs, and the money was going to people at the top, not being used for what they claimed it was being used for.

                  As for the war that it’s crazy you don’t know about, Russia invaded Ukraine at the beginning of last year, and have claimed all sorts of lies, like Ukrainian neo-Nazi ties with discredited evidence, that Ukraine is not a sovereign state (It is a sovereign state) and that the war was going well in the beginning and it would be wrapped up in a few weeks (spoiler alert, it’s almost 2 years later).

                  Here’s a fact-based list of some lies you’re swallowing.

                  https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-fact-fait.aspx?lang=eng

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                    USSR

                    We’re talking about a) 2022 and b) 2023 years. USSR doesn’t even exist. Wake up.

                    You’re showing me US and CA sources. The sources of the rivals. Let alone “fact based”. Why should they be trusted when it comes to Russia? I can only see why they must be untrusted.

                    By your logic, I could show your claims sources about US and CA written Russia and you would have to accept them. Right?