The Russian economy is outperforming Germany's
unherd.com
Virtually every forecast, whether it concerns the war in Ukraine, the economic outlook, or the strength of far-Right parties, has a tendency to end up worse than expected. The one thing that is running better than expected is the Russian economy, with the country’s GDP growth currently outperforming Germany’s.  [...]Read More...
  • nothingness@lemmy.worldOP
    35·
    1 year ago

    Propaganda must be fought with proof. You haven’t provided any, but baseless, angry statements.

    No proof for your words = you’re making propaganda youself.

      • salvador@lemmy.world
        13·
        1 year ago

        Any rational person can clearly see that you’re being angry and not arguing in good faith.

    • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
      53·
      1 year ago

      Baseless - I gave the example of Russia lying about how well its doing in their current war(this is proof against trusting their veracity).

      Russia had an entire shadow economy that was completely differently valued than its actually economy for over a generation while it was the USSR, and the reports of their economy they issued were fabricated for decades.

      They already fooled you once, and you’re telling everybody that Russia should be allowed to do it again.

      Angry? Nope. These are simple truths and you just don’t like them.

      You ignoring proof doesn’t mean it hasn’t been provided to you.

      • nothingness@lemmy.worldOP
        36·
        1 year ago

        If Russia was so weak, it would’ve already collapsed under 15k+ sactions and US with West wouldn’t have had nothing to worry about. Or they would’ve already defeated it militarily. Why haven’t they still?

        How many times have predicted it to collapse, for the last 1.5 years? Dozens. Where’s defeat in Ukraine? 50 countries together that can’t even come close to match 1 country. Who’s winning?

        Who then, Russia or West/US, make propaganda?

        • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
          32·
          1 year ago

          Again, I don’t know which words you need help with. You can just ask for help, you know.

          Do you mean that you don’t know about the fudged USSR shadow economy of the ussr or the current lies war going on?

          USSR shadow economy - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_economy_of_Russia

          Almost half of all the reported income of the USSR was coming from gambling, corruption and drugs, and the money was going to people at the top, not being used for what they claimed it was being used for.

          As for the war that it’s crazy you don’t know about, Russia invaded Ukraine at the beginning of last year, and have claimed all sorts of lies, like Ukrainian neo-Nazi ties with discredited evidence, that Ukraine is not a sovereign state (It is a sovereign state) and that the war was going well in the beginning and it would be wrapped up in a few weeks (spoiler alert, it’s almost 2 years later).

          Here’s a fact-based list of some lies you’re swallowing.

          https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-fact-fait.aspx?lang=eng

          • salvador@lemmy.world
            23·
            1 year ago

            USSR

            We’re talking about a) 2022 and b) 2023 years. USSR doesn’t even exist. Wake up.

            You’re showing me US and CA sources. The sources of the rivals. Let alone “fact based”. Why should they be trusted when it comes to Russia? I can only see why they must be untrusted.

            By your logic, I could show your claims sources about US and CA written Russia and you would have to accept them. Right?

            • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
              32·
              1 year ago

              Wow, you’re a propagandist and you hate reading.

              Shocking.

              Those are reports and transcripts of first-hand Russian sources:

              “Теневая экономика в России официально оценена в 7 триллионов рублей”. NEWSru. 2011-04-01. Retrieved 2013-05-13. "Эксперт: 22

              миллиона россиян работают в “теневом” секторе". NEWSru. 2013-04-24. Retrieved 2013-05-13.

              “ЭКОНОМИКА РОССИИ - XXI ВЕК - Теневая экономика: как её считать”. Archived from the original on 2013-12-30. Retrieved 2013-05-07.

              “Теневую экономику России оценили в 46 % ВВП | Forbes.ru”. Archived from the original on 2013-05-19. Retrieved 2013-05-07.

              I know more books are going to frighten and confuse you, but it’s what you’re asking for.

              • salvador@lemmy.world
                2·
                11 months ago

                You’re mentally stuck in the world of 1990s or 2000s :) And even in the era of USSR

                You mentioned the sources of 2013. What year is now: 2013 or 2023?

                • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
                  11·
                  11 months ago

                  To your question of what year it is?

                  I do, in fact have a response.

                  2023

                  You are welcome.

                  How are you so unaware of the world around you?

                  • salvador@lemmy.world
                    2·
                    11 months ago

                    Where’s any trustworthy or neural source for 2022 or 2023? Show me a few. Then make claims