• Veraticus@lib.lgbt
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    1 year ago

    Jews saying what is or isn’t antisemitism is propaganda? Nice propaganda yourself.

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        1 year ago

        It’s easy enough to get out of; trust Jewish voices when they talk about their experiences with antisemitism?

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          I do, but that is not the same as bllindly following a state sanctioned narrative justifying asymmetrical warfare that is coming from the incredibly unpopular and authoritarian Benjamin Netanyahu.

          Yeah, that same guy who recently attempted to OVERTHROW the authority of the Israeli Supreme Court in order to erode legal protections from Palestinians and justify additional land grabs.

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            Jesus Christ. Netanyahu is not the ADL and does not speak for all Jews. Even though the ADL is part of Israel that doesn’t make it propaganda or trying to overthrow democracy. Many Israelis are opposed to that themselves.

            This is why the claims of “being anti-Israel doesn’t mean you’re antisemitic” are actually worthless. Because in the same breath people will paint all Israel and all Jews with the same brush. Yes, that is antisemitism.

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              Jews saying what is or isn’t antisemitism is propaganda? Nice propaganda yourself.

              ^ This is literally you conflating the ADL as being the voice for all Jews on what is or isn’t anti-semitic. You are too hyprociritical to even play by your own rules, and want to paint with your own broad brush. You apparently refuse to accept that Israel has a long history of utilizing state sanctioned propaganda to justify its atrocities because you are either uncomfortable with those ethical implications or you believe the ends justify the means.

              Secondarily, I never said Benjamin Netanyahu spoke for all “Jews”. I find it to be ironic that you used that label rather than “Israelis” because it implies that Israel is an ethno-religious state by YOUR OWN FREUDIAN ADMISSION. I would never suggest that the leader of a country speaks for all of its citizens. I certainly don’t think Donald Trump speaks for all Americans, nor does Joe Biden for that matter.

              HOWEVER, I am certainly able to point out a leaders use of convenient propaganda to justify their continuing and escalating authoritarian actions. Which, is exactly what we have seen Bejnamin Netanyahu do so far in response to this violence. Yep, justify more violence, more asymmetrical responses, and push the envelope even further to eradicating all Palestinians. It’s pretty “on-brand” if I do say so myself…

              Lastly, I support the religious freedom of all groups as long as they do not harm or disenfranchise any other group in that process. That is what the free exercise of religion is founded upon, as well as the freedom FROM religion for all of us who do not believe. So you keep lying all you want, and trying to paint me as a bigot. I couldn’t give a fuck less.

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          Given there are “Jewish voices” who cry antisemitism, not because they’re reacting to prejudice, but because they want to silence dissenting voices, why trust?

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      Nearly 60% of Jews in the US are opposed to the oppression of Palestinians by the state of Israel. Does their anti-zionist position make them antisemitic? Judaism and the people that follow the religion are fine. The state of Israel is fascist. There is no contradiction in those statements.

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        That position is not anti-Zionist. It is an antisemitic trope to call the state of Israel fascist however… and untrue besides.