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I did, they are opposed to zionism, which the ADL says could spread to antisemitism. I don’t see any point where they make an antisemitic argument directly, that comes from people who intrinsically link zionism and Isreal to being Jewish.
In addition to JVP’s promotion of messaging that descends into the antisemitic vilification of “Zionists,” the group has expressed support for violence and, occasionally, classic antisemitic tropes. Some JVP members, leaders and chapters propagate rhetoric or sponsor events where participants express support for violence or terror against Israelis and vilify Zionist Jews. In a few instances, they have espoused blatant antisemitic tropes, including modern manifestations of the blood libel and allegations of Jewish dual loyalty to the countries in which they live
It then lists three examples. One of Israeli soldiers drinking the blood of the dead, one of Netanyahu eating children, and someone saying that a quote is built on the pretense of ethnic cleansing. The first two don’t specifically say anything about the blood libel, and are more provocative imagery that isn’t unusal for representation of oppression. Especially when you’re talking about oppression from a group that routinely kills children. The dual loyalty claim is also spurious. You could say something similar about manifest destiny and American exceptionalism as a criticism to the people who espouse those beliefs without saying those things about Americans broadly.
Those are clearly examples of blood libel — in what sense are they not? Like how much of that is okay before it’s antisemitic hate speech? (answer: zero.)
You could but Americans aren’t Jewish so it isn’t antisemitism. When the context is different the meaning is different. That’s how words work.
But you are also saying here Israelis routinely kills children so I guess you basically just agree with the source. Good to know where you stand I guess.
Nearly 60% of Jews in the US are opposed to the oppression of Palestinians by the state of Israel. Does their anti-zionist position make them antisemitic? Judaism and the people that follow the religion are fine. The state of Israel is fascist. There is no contradiction in those statements.
Ah yes, but citing the ADL which is literally a propaganda arm for the Israeli apartheid state. You do realize it is possible to call out the hypocrisy, violence, and antagonism of Zionist ideology without being anti-semitic correct?
This kind of shit is another reason why I left Reddit.
It just turned into an organized onslaught of disingenuous hacks like you who want to conflate any kind of criticism of Israel or Zionism with anti-semitism, cry foul, and then brigade people for not just walking lock step with your crypto-fascist ideology that you have so conveniently rebranded into permanent victimization.
Go check my post history, I’m not some Elon Musk Stan. Your attempts at conflation won’t work with me chief. I don’t give a fuck what Elon Musk thinks about the ADL. I know PR whitewashed rhetoric and state propaganda when I see it for myself thank you.
Now kindly fuck back off to whatever hole you crawled out from.
You should definitely go back to Reddit; this sort of content fits in precisely there.
You didn’t criticize Israel or Zionism. You are specifically choosing to believe a source that Jews have determined to be radically antisemitic — the source I linked provides instances of this organization sharing the blood libel and Jewish dual citizenry tropes. Further you are telling those Jews they’re liars because you don’t like the country they’re from.
The ADL is only a bad source if you’re so far down the antisemitic rabbit hole that you literally believe Jews can’t talk about what hatred towards them looks like. Since you are clearly there, I honestly pity you. I hope you wake up one day and give up your bigotry.
Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is a radical anti-Israel and anti-Zionist activist group that advocates for the boycott of Israel and eradication of Zionism.
Implying that’s a bad thing?
Most normal people think radical antisemitic groups are bad yes
Being anti-Isreal isn’t the same as being antisemitic
But they are also antisemitic. Did you read the article the ADL has on them?
I did, they are opposed to zionism, which the ADL says could spread to antisemitism. I don’t see any point where they make an antisemitic argument directly, that comes from people who intrinsically link zionism and Isreal to being Jewish.
From the same page:
I guess you didn’t read it very closely?
It then lists three examples. One of Israeli soldiers drinking the blood of the dead, one of Netanyahu eating children, and someone saying that a quote is built on the pretense of ethnic cleansing. The first two don’t specifically say anything about the blood libel, and are more provocative imagery that isn’t unusal for representation of oppression. Especially when you’re talking about oppression from a group that routinely kills children. The dual loyalty claim is also spurious. You could say something similar about manifest destiny and American exceptionalism as a criticism to the people who espouse those beliefs without saying those things about Americans broadly.
Those are clearly examples of blood libel — in what sense are they not? Like how much of that is okay before it’s antisemitic hate speech? (answer: zero.)
You could but Americans aren’t Jewish so it isn’t antisemitism. When the context is different the meaning is different. That’s how words work.
But you are also saying here Israelis routinely kills children so I guess you basically just agree with the source. Good to know where you stand I guess.
The ADL is a propaganda arm for Israel. You can trust their claims.
Jews saying what is or isn’t antisemitism is propaganda? Nice propaganda yourself.
And there is a loop
It’s easy enough to get out of; trust Jewish voices when they talk about their experiences with antisemitism?
Nearly 60% of Jews in the US are opposed to the oppression of Palestinians by the state of Israel. Does their anti-zionist position make them antisemitic? Judaism and the people that follow the religion are fine. The state of Israel is fascist. There is no contradiction in those statements.
That position is not anti-Zionist. It is an antisemitic trope to call the state of Israel fascist however… and untrue besides.
Ah yes, but citing the ADL which is literally a propaganda arm for the Israeli apartheid state. You do realize it is possible to call out the hypocrisy, violence, and antagonism of Zionist ideology without being anti-semitic correct?
Elon Musk also think the ADL is propaganda. It must make you sleep well at night to know you’re in such good company.
While it is possible, you are definitely not doing it.
This kind of shit is another reason why I left Reddit.
It just turned into an organized onslaught of disingenuous hacks like you who want to conflate any kind of criticism of Israel or Zionism with anti-semitism, cry foul, and then brigade people for not just walking lock step with your crypto-fascist ideology that you have so conveniently rebranded into permanent victimization.
Go check my post history, I’m not some Elon Musk Stan. Your attempts at conflation won’t work with me chief. I don’t give a fuck what Elon Musk thinks about the ADL. I know PR whitewashed rhetoric and state propaganda when I see it for myself thank you.
Now kindly fuck back off to whatever hole you crawled out from.
Cute you think Reddit was the problem. No matter where you go on social media. Too bad you’re too far up your own ass to know that.
Oh my word, a pro-Reddit Chad in the wilds of Lemmy. I’ll have to mark this on my calendar 😂
You should definitely go back to Reddit; this sort of content fits in precisely there.
You didn’t criticize Israel or Zionism. You are specifically choosing to believe a source that Jews have determined to be radically antisemitic — the source I linked provides instances of this organization sharing the blood libel and Jewish dual citizenry tropes. Further you are telling those Jews they’re liars because you don’t like the country they’re from.
The ADL is only a bad source if you’re so far down the antisemitic rabbit hole that you literally believe Jews can’t talk about what hatred towards them looks like. Since you are clearly there, I honestly pity you. I hope you wake up one day and give up your bigotry.
Oh no. Not boycotting Israel :(
Awesome!