• 242@lemmy.cafe
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    4 months ago

    He’s attacking Trump because Trump attacked his daughter. It’s personal for him. Otherwise he’d be quietly cheering on the advance of fascism like every other right winger in america.

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      Exactly. This is one of those classic leopards ate my [daughter’s] face moments.

      NYT 01 JUL 2024

      One post that he [Trump] circulated on Sunday singled out Liz Cheney, the former Wyoming congresswoman who is a Republican critic of Mr. Trump’s, and called for her to be prosecuted by a type of military court reserved for enemy combatants and war criminals.

      “Elizabeth Lynne Cheney is guilty of treason,” the post said. “Retruth if you want televised military tribunals.”

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        If the J6ers had caught up with Mike Pence, Lynne Cheney, and Mitch McConnell, I genuinely wonder whether Trump would actually be in jail right now instead of cruising around the country soliciting more fascists to his cause.

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          I am grateful I didn’t see the National Guard mow down a bunch of civilians that day, but I also feel that the low loss of life is what has let a huge chunk of the population write off the events of that day as basically a “boys will be boys” moment, when it was really something Earth shattering in our country’s history.

          Historians could very well one day mark it as a turning point in our nation’s history where we took a severe turn on the road to ruin. I really hope we can pull ourselves back, but since it seems to be a world wide trend, I have more anxiousness than I’d prefer.

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            The lack of action/inability to prosecute those found pulling the strings is what’s really frustrating. Sure, send the brainwashed people to jail, but those will just be replaced by the people behind the scenes…

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              Exactly, I should have been more clear on that.

              This stuff started decades ago with all the people that felt Nixon did nothing wrong and have worked throughout the media, the courts, and the government itself to show that “government doesn’t work” to undermine the integrity of all these institutions and to get the people to support individuals rather than a collective.

              They’ve poisoned our systems this whole time, and need to be rooted out if we want to continue being free.

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        televised military tribunals

        Wow. Someone watched Starship Troopers and didn’t realize it was obvious satire. But “microphone bicycle cameraman”, so he’s good, right?

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          This has always been the problem. For some reason, the very people you want to stand up and take notice of your political satire are frequently the kind of people that are just going to not understand. As they say: “you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.”

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        Though there might be a line between “attacking” and “tribunal for treason”. I have a feeling the latter is a step too far even for Dick Cheney when it comes to his daughter.

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    I thought the fucker had died already.

    My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

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    The man who helped the party that got us into this mess is complaining about the uncontrollable monster it built. Get fucked Cheney.

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    If the boomers are gonna go around telling people “you’ll get more conservative as you get older and have money”

    Can we start telling fascists “you’ll get less fascist as you get older and the same horrifying shit you were initially in favor of starts to threaten YOUR safety, in turn”

    Idk, it’s not as catchy but I think it’s still short enough to make an impact

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      Cheney and people like him don’t hate Trump because he’s a fascist; they hate him because he’s really bad at it.

      A coup should either be really fast or really subtle, and Trump is neither.

      The same people who stood by then the Supreme Court gave Bush Jr. the win in 2000 are finally getting the idea that SCOTUS needs massive reform.

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        The same people who stood by then the Supreme Court gave Bush Jr. the win in 2000 are finally getting the idea that SCOTUS needs massive reform.

        Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Coney Barrett were all lawyers for GWB in Bush v. Gore.

        It’s literally the same people deciding it now who were arguing for it then.

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        Hm… maybe. I don’t think Cheney wants a fast successful Trump coup, though, because he (unusually among the CNN-addled dreck of consultants whose unrealistic mishmash of own-fart-smelling passes for strategic thinking in Washington) is acquainted enough with realpolitik to know what it actually might mean.

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          Cheney is many things and none of them good except he is smart. He understands systems and knows how to play the politics game while running clandestine operations behind the scenes. Cheney knows what it takes to keep things operational and how to get his way without topping the boat into January 6 levels of outright contempt.

          Trump is very good at one thing: he disrupts established systems. There isn’t a single thing he touches that is the same when he’s done and it operates worse than it started. Every time. It’s kind of hilarious to see how literally everything Trump touches turns to suck.

          Trump is bad for business and Cheney likes business more than people, like how I prefer animals to people. Trump is so bad for long term business that the last time he was in office the only way to prevent an economic free fall on the stock market was to continually lower interest rates but that caused such a low in rates that it allowed home buying. Those home owners are locked into a house with a rate that makes even boomers jealous.

          The economy can’t take another Trump.

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      You’ll get more conservative as you get older (with more money and privilege)

      You’ll get less fascist as you get colder (as the government you put in power let’s civil infrastructure fall apart and/or straight up gun you down)

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        A place to stay Enough to eat
        Somewhere old heroes shuffle safely down the street
        Where you can speak out loud
        About your doubts and fears
        And what’s more
        No one ever disappears you never hear their standard issue
        Kicking in your door
        You can relax
        On both sides of the tracks
        And maniacs
        Don’t blow holes
        In bandsmen by remote control
        And everyone has recourse to the law
        And no one kills the children anymore
        No one kills the children anymore

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      “you’ll get more conservative as you get older and have money”

      Wrong on both counts. Show me the X who has money not from inheritance or crime.

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        I think I understand your argument, but it’s not hard to imagine someone telling a teenager that quote, prior to them getting steady work only a few years later.

        It’s also moldy advice. I recall this one getting tossed around back in the 1980’s, by parents that absolutely went from zero responsibility to paying taxes on salary and a house, just after graduating High school. Things are very different now.

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        It’s not even true for boomers. I’m (barely) a boomer and I’m much more liberal than when I was young, even though I have more money.

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    Man, when a scum bag says someone is a bigger scum bag, I feel like it’s finally getting serious.

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    Definitely an all time “worst person you know just made a great point” moment.

    There’s obvious connection between today and the 2000 election’s Bush v Gore court case. I suspect he doesn’t see it that way, and there’s a kernel of truth: applying political muscle to cause a clear coin-flip election to land your way isn’t the same as riling up a mob after a clear loss. It’s still categorically the same though.

    Goes to show the current authoritarianism in the GOP isn’t new. What’s new is scope, and what enables it is the lack of guardrails within the party.

    That said, the upcoming threat needs to be taken seriously, and I’m willing to bite my tongue for just about anything that helps push back.

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    Trump stands to mess up the money flow for anyone but himself and his buddies should he be elected. Cheney isn’t his buddy, so of course he will be an outsider and stand to lose money. That’s what is likely the issue. Not Cheney suddenly manifesting a conscience.

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    That dude is giddy that it’s gotten worse. It makes it easier to rewrite his own blood-soaked legacy, and he’s insulated from the worst of it by his wealth.

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    According to the literally dude in second place in that running…that’s something.

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      “Guy who is currently running for President is the worst person in history” is so fucking time worn and thread bare.

      Trump’s bad because he exists right now and Andrew Johnson isn’t so bad because he died 150 years ago. It doesn’t have to be a contest, though. They can both suck nuts and we would be better off if neither of them had taken office.

      Otherwise, if we’re talking historical potential future Presidents, please use your time machine to find Benjamin Butler and bring him here so he can run in Joe Biden’s place.