cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/post/5420798
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Israeli officials have signaled they do not intend to relinquish this territory. These areas, where the military has deployed, are considered “no-go zones” and Palestinians risk being shot if they approach.
Evergreen headline.
FAFO. Sounds like they are on the tail end of the find out phase. Hamas should not have started shit.
Do you also think the Jews did something to upset Hitler?
Weird how you seem to go straight to Hitler. It’s just odd to have someone go there so quickly. You seem to have some kind of weird kink maybe?
Quick question, do you think Hamas attacking Israel by surprise a slaughtering and kidnapping civilians was justified?
Do you really think what happened to Shani Louk was justified?
Lol you know Israel funded Hamas specifically from preventing Palestine from having a united government?
Lol you know Palastinians voted for them right?
And you’re aware that if a foreign government throws enough marketing money at a population they can get them to for anyone right? Just ask Trump.
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Quick question, do you think Hamas attacking Israel by surprise a slaughtering and kidnapping civilians was justified?
Yes
I’d ask if you know the history of the area you’re talking about but it’s obvious you’re a fucking moron who can’t be bothered to look it up
It’s really not a weird comparison. The deep irony of the situation - that the group that was most famously a victim of the Nazi Holocaust is responsible for perpetuating comparable modern day atrocities - make it almost unavoidable
It is when that is the very first argument you make.
“Buh butt NAZIS”
Weak as shit.
Can’t quite tell if you’re an arsehole troll who finds upsetting people to be fun, or an arsehole who genuinely thinks genocide is ok sometimes… 🤔
Weak as shit.
No, that’s your argument
Is there some other genocidal regime you would prefer to compare your favorite genocidal government to?
Sounds like they are on the tail end of the find out phase.
What, including the 10,000+ children killed so far by Israel? Yeah I’m sure they were asking for it. Definitely a proportional response. GTFO
No one said “finding out” was ever fair.
May you find out.
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Israel created hamas
Netanyahu was in cahoots with them too.
Palestinians made them their leaders.
Yes but it’s more complex than that. Israel did whatever they could to ensure hamas won election
Ohhhh nooossss Israel is responsible. Cry me a fucking river, Palastinians put them in power and kept then there.
That’s a lot of excuses to justify support for a terrorist group.
Evidently your grasp of English is as weak as your grasp of international affairs.
I’ll speak plainly so you can understand. There were no excuses in my statement . I was openly mocking you.
I’ll speak plainly so you can understand.
Evidently your grasp of English is as weak as your grasp of international affairs.
There was an excuse in your statement . I am openly mocking you.
Yes but it’s more complex than that. Israel did whatever they could to ensure hamas won election
Ohhhh nooossss Israel is responsible. Cry me a fucking river, Palastinians put them in power and kept then there.
That’s a lot of excuses to justify support for a terrorist group.
Try harder boo boo.
They literally funded hamas campaign lol
lol Palestinians put them in power and kept them there.
There’s that excuse again genius. Similarly elections haven’t been held because Israel pays for them not to be, read a fucking newspaper.
That vote is a. Contested and b. They haven’t had an election in the lifetime of (prewar) like 80% of their population was alive “they” didn’t make anyone a leader. “They” are mostly children of you look at demographics.
You’re a bigot, you just wanted an excuse so you don’t feel as bad about it. I’ll bet money you’ve said something to the effect of “glassing” Iran, Iraq and/or Afghanistan as well, be honest how correct am I?
That’s a lot of excuses to justify support for a terrorist group.
Sorry buddy Palestinians put them in power and tolerated them for decades. You can try to scrub history but they are reaping what they’ve sown for decades.
One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. Like the ANC and Nelson Mandela, who was a worldwide wanted terrorist for decades.
Yeah no, Nelson Mandela didn’t sanction the kidnapping and killing of civilians.
Fuck right off with your false analogies.
Oh so Israel is terrorist as well, im glad we agree as Hamas was a Israeli project they’ve admitted to and netenyahu keeps getting busted talking to and handing over suitcases full of cash.
Fuck right off with your bullshit hedging, the country with a series of open air concentration camps isn’t going to win the morality fight.
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He did however sanction and plan dozens of bombings, and maintained contact with a militant arm of his organization that killed plenty of people.
Too lazy to check if actual Zionist or Indian larping as a Zionist lmao
Too lazy
You don’t say…
I think Zionist because they are so stupid when it comes to genocide stuff.
Here is one of their comments found in their profile:
Any individual who make blanket comments about whole sections of society will loose my respect pretty quickly.
Israel being Israel. They’ve been doing this since their inception. We need strong international sanctions against Israel. We need to stop this slow moving genocide.
And against the US too honestly. I say this as a US citizen. Sanction us until we stop bombing Yemen and supplying arms.
It’s not slow moving anymore; you’re looking at a full-blown genocide here.
It has been since Oct '23.
We’re looking at children death camps at this point
I hate this so much, helplessly watching a people getting destroyed in real time.
And even worse, our own governments supporting it and making us complicit
So is this like … concentrating… the people into a smaller area, like uh … camp?
It basically already was, they’re just making it smaller.
Cynical me can see Netanyahoo say “because of all the dead Palestinians, the area per person has actually gone up for the survivors.”
This is closer to just standard imperialism, which Hitler also did. Evil? Yes, but a different kind of evil.
Also I think Israel literally has a concentration camp, so if you want to make that comparison, it’s right there.
Imperialism is horribly evil and it deserves to be called out by name. A part of the imperialist process is genocide, which is what we’re seeing here.
Imperialism never had genocide as a main part of the process…
Maybe colonialism is the word I’m thinking of?
The one that involves forcibly taking land and mass murder, like what the settlers of America did to the Native American population.
Settler-colonialism
This is more like American style genocidal manifest destiny or Nazi lebensraum.
The closest examples I can think of in recent history is the Vietnam war or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But yeah, American style imperialism is what I equate this to.
Netanyahu might as well be Dick Cheney.
Dick Cheney and Andrew Jackson
Gaza has been categorized as the world’s largest concentration camp by holocaust experts already. So yes, they do have a concentration camp, it’s called the Gaza Strip.
Hitler would be proud.
And this will reduce terrorist recruitment how?
“Israel resets artillery target area in Gaza” will be tomorrow’s headline.
I’m curious to know why they chose to stop where they did. Is it a matter of “This is what we reckon we can hold”? Or is it “These areas are the most valuable so we want those”? Or “This is how much we reckon we can take before someone declares war”?
Gaza isn’t even contiguous anymore. Where there was one territory, there are effectively now four. One big one, one small, one very small, one tiny. I can’t imagine the Israelis are going to allow people to move from one territory to the other so why did they split it up like that?
They can starve the population and take the area anyway so why continue fighting and gaining more and more bad press and investigation. Instead they’ll spend that time covering up their crimes and hiding the people they would have a hard time protecting for the moment.
So why not just take all of it? The world isn’t gonna do shit about it, so why bother with the splitting of Gaza up into unmanageable little chunks?
They’re much more manageable and Israel uses Palestinians as cheap labor, they’re keeping enough around to do the shitty jobs while they find anyone else willing to do it before they absorb the rest.
Maybe they are playing for gazans to finally ask for Gaza to be absorbed by Israel so they can claim it wasn’t genocide?
Talk about weasel words, holy shit 💀
Local man brings gun to the bank, limiting the clerk to half of their blood supply.
this is just completely fucked up.
Israel became terrorist country financed by US tax payers, Ergo US tax payers are terrorist supporters.
So this is why Bezos, Musk and company are not paying taxes, the refuse to support terrorists.
I assume you’re joking with the last bit.
oh shit they’re west banking gaza now
Been happening. Libs just noticed with the change of figurehead.
Oh, they noticed before and loved it. They still do, but now they’re obligated to pretend they don’t love it now that a republican is carrying out their only policy for them.
I’m so happy people didn’t vote for Kamala.
/s
You mean the administration whom the Israeli government praised this week for never demanding a ceasefire?
Yeah, they straight-up lied to the American public. Biden’s legacy is being an accomplice to genocide and handing the Republicans a victory in November.
And Israel is destroying its host, just as a parasite might do.
Biden’s legacy is being an accomplice to genocide and handing the Republicans a victory in November.
Don’t just pin this on biden. He had the enthusiastic help of his entire pro-genocide wing of the democratic party.
And 6 months ago, you were arguing that we have to keep arming Israel because they’re such an important ally to the US. Why aren’t you saying that anymore?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t.
Yep. People rightly say the Democrats wouldn’t have stopped the war either, but it’s the difference between saying “Alright, we support you, but there a re limits, ok?” and whatever Trump is saying. Probably that Netanyahu is his buddy and the best.
What limits?
None. There are no limits.
The lie that democrats would do anything to challenge zionist occupation is just that, a lie.
We wouldn’t be fighting with Canada, Greenland, Mexico, Europe, etc.
Immigrants wouldn’t be sent to a torture prison for simply disagreeing with Israel.
US universities wouldn’t be under attack for “dei” and “antisemitism”
Judges wouldn’t have been arrested for not allowing ice arrests in court chambers.
Tariffs wouldn’t be destroying the economy.
Doge wouldn’t be unconditionally gutting the federal government.
Did you think there was only a single issue you were voting for?
That’s literally not what the other person said though. They said there were “limits” to Democrat support for Israel.
Yeah, you all only give a shit about exactly one thing. We know. Let everything else burn because you have a one track mind.
Frankly we didn’t get the chance to know what limits Kamala would have had. But we do know that behind the scenes Biden was trying, albeit unsuccessfully, to moderate Israel. Kamala would likely have at least applied some pressure as well.
Trump wants to turn Gaza into a trump hotel.
You at least had some fucking hope with Kamala.
Actually, we know that Biden wasn’t trying. They just came out and admitted that. And we didn’t have any hope with Kamala, because she was clearly explicit that she was going to continue to support Israel.
Again that is literally not the conversation we’re having right now. The other person made a concrete claim and I was challenging that concrete claim; neither of us said anything about the merits or demerits of voting for Harris so there’s no reason for you to soapbox about the damn lefties drawing the line at genocide.
there’s no reason for you to soapbox about the damn lefties drawing the line at genocide.
Looks around
Yeah mate, there is.
Harris decided she’d rather help Trump get reelected than break with Biden on Israel. It’s her fault that she lost an extremely winnable election. She is the one that got Trump elected, more than any voter.
Same with Clinton in 2016. The Dems want Trump in office so he can enact all the legislation that they want passed while he takes the heat and use him for fundraising opportunities. It’s all a big game to them, which is why they act like little more than controlled opposition. These policies don’t affect them they just affect us nobodies.
Hmm, all that stuff on the line, and the DNC decided that it was more important to protect Israel and idolize Dick Cheney than to defeat Donald Trump.
Don’t worry though, the Democrats are working hard to ensure that Trump’s policies face little to no opposition and they even unanimously voted recently to enact an internet censorship bill that Trump stated he would use to silence his online critics, so at least we can find comfort in knowing that they’re finding so much common ground with Republicans.
Hmm, all that stuff on the line, and the DNC decided that it was more important to protect Israel and idolize Dick Cheney than to defeat Donald Trump.
I love how liberals pretend like it’s not their fault for not voting.
I love how Democrats pretend it’s not their fault for running terrible candidates with awful policies, that people don’t want to vote for.
I’m happy she lost, but I’m also sad that Trump won. Why should our choice be between to pro-genocide candidates?
Maybe the next time the Dems should try something new and run a candidate that campaigns on what the voters want.
I agree wholeheartedly.
It is fate. God decided that this is how the United States must be, and so it is. Nothing we can do about it, since fate is predefined.
One of those two was going to win. That’s how this shit works, so instead of voting for genocide, you voted for genocide and for your list of rights to get shorter on a monthly basis. The worst part was that you saw all the signs and you still did it and are willing to brag that you’re partially responsible for not making the obviously better call.
We can do third party’s over 1/3 of the government when we have third partys everywhere else and it’s actually attainable, until then, you’re doing this.
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That’s how this shit works, so instead of voting for genocide, you voted for genocide and for your list of rights to get shorter on a monthly basis.
You can’t have genocide without your list of rights getting shorter on a monthly basis that’s not how that works. It was always a question of when America’s tab would come back to haunt it, not if. You want to keep your rights? Then better oppose genocide even when it’s your guy doing it.
Hit the fucking nail on the head. Some actual intelligence in this comment thread.
Yeah, that is how it works. I don’t fight against genocide because I think I’m going to win, I fight against genocide because I think it’s evil. You may be OK with genocide, but I’m not.
Additionally, genocide is just 1 out of ~50 other things that I’m against, that Harris stood for. Why should I vote for a candidate that’s proud to stand with the Cheneys? Or a candidate that wants to continue to be a “leathal fighting force”? Why should I vote for a candidate that thought bombing children was OK? Or a candidate that proudly stood behind a rapist?
Yes, I proudly stand against genocide, and all of those other things. Maybe the real issue is that the Democrats shouldn’t run in favor of them.
No one here is rooting for genocide, I’m stating the obvious that you should make the best of a shitty situation rather than not. A great example of this is voting someone who stood behind a rapist instead of voting for someone that would lead to an actual rapist being the winner of the race. It’s not good, but it’s better.
By all means, try to vote both of these motherfuckers out when possible in primaries and midterms and special elections, but when it comes down to actual election day, and you only have two available options, you pick the best of the two instead of throwing your vote away, that is if you want to actually mitigate this shit storm as best you can instead of letting idealogical purity fuck you over even more.
By all means, try to vote both of these motherfuckers out when possible in primaries
The ones we don’t have when democrats don’t want to? Those primaries?
No one here is rooting for genocide
Literally the Democratic leadership is. They’re even doing more: they are funding it.
It’s not good, but it’s better.
I agree it’s better, but it’s still not good enough for me to vote for. I understand why people held their nose and voted for Harris, but I was unwilling to do the same. We have different standards. I’ve seen the Democrats continuously fight against the policies that I want, and so I chose ‘nah’ over them. So did a lot of other people, so maybe they should incorporate that into their strategy next time.
if you want to actually mitigate this shit storm as best you can instead of letting idealogical purity fuck you over even more.
I find this hilarious coming in support of a party who chose the ideological purity of genocide and money, instead of chosing a popular stance and winning the election.
Oh look it’s another new account harshly critical of Democrats, but no comment on the atrocious Republican leadership.
🌻🌻🌻
Oh look it’s another account that doesn’t read things that I’ve written, then accuses me of stuff. I’ve already mentioned how terrible the Republicans and Trump are, and that I think the Democrats would have been better.
I hope that you enjoy your moral superiority as you’re rounded up by trumps gestapo.
I hope you enjoy your endorsement of genocide as you’re rounded up by trumps gestapo.
So if both pro genocide why bringing the topic in discussion about “Israel commiting genocide”
So I’ve met quite a few people that can read, but I don’t remember any of us saying that. I’d like to invite you to show me where that happened.
I’m so fucking tired of this argument
And you’ll keep hearing it for actually assisting the fasist pro-genocide candidate.
You mean Kamala Harris?
Genocide Donald’s strongest apologist is here to defend him.
I’m cooked :(
How about you stop doing genocide apologia for one of the two instead.
Israel and Palestine have a right to exist.
And I will keep defending both until I stop getting death threats from your friends.
*edit: Also I see in your mod-log you’ve been banned multiple times for supporting the Russian genocide in Ukraine.
P R O J E C T I N G
Bring up more irrelevant lies to pivot topic when getting called out for defending genocide.
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Get used to it. I will repeat it until democrats realizes that not voting has consequences.
Maybe you should spend your effort getting the Democrats to realize that running awful candidates like Kamala is why they keep losing. I’d love to be able to side the Democrats, but they keep putting forward bad candidates with terrible platforms.
I would like to see the voters challenge the Democratic candidates with a simple: do you want to win or do you want to support Israel? You only get one.
It would be interesting to see the Democratic candidates faced with this and watch how they respond.
Really though, the party needs to be replaced. It is an abject failure.
I would like to see the voters challenge the Democratic candidates with a simple: do you want to win or do you want to support Israel?
They had and made that choice in 2024. They chose netanyahu.
“I couldn’t vote against Hitler because the opposition wasn’t great”
“we ran slightly less Hitler against Hitler and lost, it’s everyone’s fault except our own”
“slightly” 🤣🤣
I feel like “lets keep bombing children”, or “we’re going to back a genocide harder than they are”, or “we’re going to do a better job of putting immigrants in prison” is indeed only slightly better than the Republicans position.
It’s not even an argument anymore it’s a circlejerk.
Easier to genocide people in a dense small group
they’re setting up several Bantustan-like areas just like they did on the West Bank
Just like they did to all of Palestine.
