Tell me there are no women in your life without saying there are no women in your life.
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Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.
This has always been the case, but I’m going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.
@ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.
Hell yeah. I love the way Trek makes people like this piss and squeal and moan.
Allowing this to stay up but not linking to it seems wrong. I don’t know anything about this site other than the headline but if you disagree that strongly, which seems to be the right reaction, you should ban the headlines too.
Noted?
Oh, you’re that type of person. Ok, noted.
Yeah! Let’s pretend nothing bad exists, just live in our bubble where everything is fine and dandy.
Slash fic as it originated in modern fan culture was Kirk/Spock and spread through zines written by women in the 60s.
Also I’ve been watching TNG for the first time lately (late to trek) and I honestly don’t understand how conservatives could really enjoy the best episodes. Like I watched The Drumhead (s4e21) last night and it was aggressively unsubtlely anti conservative. Like honestly I regret not keeping notes from the start of this watch through to have good episodes to recommend to people. First Contact (s4e14) had the villain literally be a conservative trying to preserve his society’s way of life against the progress it would have to deal with if it encountered aliens.
I don’t know a single conservative that likes Trek.
I do, they just think it’s an unrealistic world, not a bad one. Something that could never happen here.
As a mental exercise I like to perceive Star Trek as a racist propaganda show.
Star Trek can be seen as the way, a fascist empire wants to be perceived. The whites are in control but benevolent. Minority groups have their token share of roles but they never threaten the control of the whites.
The visible people are mostly white and never have a brown, black and Asian percentage that could be expected from a united earth.
The organisation is hierarchical. A militarized society would be the solution to overcome all conflicts.
It is clear that the casting was needed to gain market share in the US but that also means that the show can trigger nostalgica in those who want to continue those proportions.
Tell me you know nothing about Star Trek without telling me.
ST broke so many cultural barriers, nothing else in its time period even comes close. Other than that they wore uniforms almost nothing is militaristic. It was a science vessel not a warship. Money and capitalism were virtually non-existent and when they did show up, they were ridiculed. I could go on, but you should learn for yourself.
You may need to cool off and re read the entire message
I agree with all you said, I just can’t believe it is possible for conservative viewers of the show to be blindered to the numerous, numerous ways where the show morals, both implied and very much stated, are antithetical to the entire value structure of the modern right-wing of the USA.
But then again, when I think of the Trek fans I know in real life, it is surprising how many of them are Republicans. Not a majority, but enough. So they might just be overlooking the things they don’t agree with.
Lead hits hard.
They probably saw it all and said “yeah, even in the future we’ll never be rid of the libs but see it all works out because all these other things are still true”
I would even say that right-wing people have almost the same moral values as left-wing people, just not for the out-groups. So within the crew, there is no big difference.
Hospitality for strangers is also part of conservative’s values, so in passing contact, aliens are treated alike.
Because Republicans are dumb illiterate inbred morons. Like how they didn’t get that Colbert Report was satire and they thought Colbert was a conservative. Or that they thought that South Park was Republican humor because of Cartman. Even though Cartman is obviously just a vehicle to portray how fucked up RepubliKKKans are.
Part of the reason the show works is that we never really see Federation life outside of Starfleet. Mostly this is for practical budget reasons; what does a post-scarcity egalitarian society actually look like? That’s difficult to depict in a show designed to recycle the same set every episode and only very occasionally go outside to film.
So what little we see of the civilian federation looks… a lot like the US. There’s a president. Member
statesplanets. Constant references to US history. A military that operates how Americans like to think their military works, rather than what it actually historically has done.Newer shows take this even further. Section 31, as it was first introduced, was supposed to be a highly illegal, unsanctioned conspiracy acting in the shadow of the proper Federation. Now they’re presented as the ultra official, coolest badasses who are the only reason any of the egalitarian principals are able to survive.
Most trekkies are older people, in the US most of them are Republicans.
most old americans may be republican but not most old trekkies are not.
Education has been bad for a long time in this country it seems
Hilarious. The Republicans are watching progressive shit promoting liberalism, equality and ethics? A communist utopia?
… … Wat? Is this based on Star Trek fans despising NuTrek? Because that has to do with shit writing and shitting on continuity…
Nah, it’s just your typical conservative with zero media literacy not understanding Star Trek and thinking no one else does either.
Yeah there are ideologies that most people can’t handle or comprehend today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_conservatism
This and Rockerfeller Republicanism (sometimes called the east coast elite).
Then there are things that make more sense, like Christian Distributism, Communitarianism, Georgism. Put all this together and you realise, there are definitely ways to Socialism that run through Conservatism. Most people can’t handle or understand this idea.
@DarkCloud If I wanted to be charitable, I’d acknowledge that there haven’t really been progressive Republicans pretty much since Reagan, so younger conservatives haven’t been exposed to them.
It’s unfortunate that young leftists don’t understand the real territory of rightwing politics (their deeper espoused values), because there are genuine avenues for fractures and change there.
Conservatives tend to be statists even though they’ve been brainwashed into thinking they’re not. They tend to want grand projects, community halls, roman columns, socialism for their neighborhoods, family, community, and churches - none of which economic Libertarians agree with. Libertarians would be buying the marble back to sell it on the freemarket then eyeing the family and wondering why they can’t buy them as slaves too. Really opposing philosophies if you go by their ideals.
Then throw the Christian Distributism, Communitarianism, and Georgism in there, and Conservativism starts to look pretty leftwing, leaving Libertarians out in the cold.
Throw in a concept like Aesthetic Justice, the idea that poor suburbs should look and be designed to be beautiful and that that would reduce crime, create safer, more neighbourly communities - stuff like that might even break the conservative’s love of military policing.
It’s all a matter of perspective.
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Star Trek is the original woke.
A black woman was part of command staff on the bridge.
They entertained TVs first interracial kiss.
Their society doesn’t involve money.
They have a no interference policy as the prime directive, completely opposite the bottom line of the United States.
Roddenberry knew Takei was gay.
For an example of TOS’ level of woke, please refer to Season 3, Episode 15: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
Conservatives do not understand subtext, satire, or allegory. They don’t assign what they like or don’t based on any meaningful understanding of the message it conveys. They get told what to like and believe by authority and follow it, constantly dismissing or dissonancing any message from what they consume that doesn’t align with their instilled beliefs.
Yeah it’s a profoundly stupid take.
There’s the famous Whoopi Goldberg quote about how as a little kid she saw it with a black woman not beimg a maid and running around the house screaming about it in celebration
There’s the famous story about Nichelle Nichols wanting to quit to do plays until MLK jr told her that she needed to stay for black people everywhere to be represented as an equal member of the crew, and it was the only show he’d let his kids stay up late to watch.
From its inception it’s been “woke” by daring to put both a black woman and an asian man in roles where they were to be treated as equals and valued members of the group.
I’d like to add more examples, but it’s been so long since I’ve watched any star trek.
DS9 has lots of stuff against racism, either with aliens or black people in time travel episodes. And the one where Quark transitions for an episode and it’s not just milked for laughs or similar, for the 90s that was handled pretty tactfully. lots of womens rights topics, especially with Ferengi.
And in a way that whole show was a critique of imperialism/colonialism
Even into the later series, people had to fight to do interesting things with it. IIRC the network was skittish about Voyager because nobody would possibly be interested in a scifi show with a female lead.
Another example : roddenbury wanted the 1st officer to be a woman on TOS, and shot the pilot with Majel Barret in the role, well before they were married. The studio shot it down and ordered a new pilot.
That’s the episode I cited.
@Zephorah And all of this is pretty obvious to anyone with their brain turned on. But even that seems a bridge too far for some.
They entertained TVs first interracial kiss
This is not true, in several ways.
Firstly, it needs the modifier “American” in there. The UK’s first interracial kiss on TV, for example, was in 1962.
Secondly, if we’re defining “interracial” as specifically between someone Black and someone white, then Nancy Sinatra & Sammy Davis Jr. preceded Star Trek by a year.
Thirdly, perceptions of race change. The studio which made I Love Lucy was extremely hesitant to allow Ball & Arnaz to portray themselves as a married couple, precisely because the fact that Arnaz was Cuban meant that the marriage was “interracial”. The kiss they shared in the first episode - in 1951 - would have been seen at the time as an interracial kiss.
Fourthly, even without a changing definition of race there had been previous interracial kisses on the lips on US television - William Shatner himself had previously twice shared a romantic on-screen kiss with someone of Asian descent, once actually in Star Trek.
None of this is to diminish the importance, impact, or progressiveness of the Uhura/Kirk kiss, but it is often overstated. It doesn’t need to be the first ever interracial kiss on TV to be significant. If it really does have to be the first ever something, then it’s the first ever kiss on the lips on US television between a Black person and a white person.
I absolutely love when people troll (intentionally or not) by mentioning Uhura/Kirk as TV’s first interracial kiss. It makes me giggle to see these extremely “well actually” pedantic responses. Yours is great! Do you have that saved as a copy paste?
Do you have one for Rosa Parks? You might be surprised to learn she wasn’t the first. She was “chosen” as flag bearer for the fight because she had a cleaner image.
What an odd response
This is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever read in my life.
I like older trek because the writing was interesting and sometimes cerebral. I have no qualms with LGBT characters, I have a problem with shitty written plot and characters. Take the show away from paramount, hire the best writers you can who care some about continuity of the star trek universe and you’d have an almost guaranteed viral franchise.
Yeah, sure. As long as Fox doesn’t broadcast the first episode last and confuse the fuck out of all the watchers. Of course, the last bit that explains everything that no one lasts long enough to see.
You might be able to make some comic and novels for those rare fans. To get that understanding how everyone got there from earth if some jackass sabatours don’t persuade everyone on Reddit that your comics suck. Probably the same Alliance that flexxed Fox to do what they did in the beginning.
Maybe they make some board games too. Or hitch your actors to flip their character rep skill with the the Giggle and make a Horrible Sing-a-Long Blog.
Oddly specific ranting, browncoat.
Took the opportunity.
continuity of the star trek universe
Actually I think this is a fairly low priority if you want to gather more viewers.
Bring back the DS9 writers if they are willing, also fuck Rick Berman.
And the setting, while they’re at it!
Imagine what they could do with Changeling crewmates, mixed with a Picard style Android and maybe the Gamma Quadrant. They’d be perfect vehicles to explore more modern issues (trans stuff/AI, for instance. Maybe neurodivergence?) in a Star Trek coat of paint.
The issue is that Star Trek happened to appeal to all, not just American Repulsicans.
I could drop all the acid in the world and still not come up with a take this fucking deranged.
@don Toxic masculinity is a helluva drug.
…Masculinity? This is bog standard “conformist imagining a we to be a part of”. It’s why the “moral majority” thing had the impact it did.
How delusional do you have to be to believe this?
Republican levels, so checks out?
What an incredibly stupid take by these jeenyuses.
Then again there’s precedence with a moron from Fox ‘News’ who prefers Trek to Wars since it’s ‘not woke’.
