• racemaniac@startrek.website
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    9 months ago

    No it isn’t. It’s to force you to use credit under the guise of checking how good you would be at paying back.

    I’m from europe, you know how much credit i had before i got a loan for my condo? absolutely zero. All they needed to know was that i had no debts, lived well within my means, knew what i was doing, not “how many credit cards and car loans have you got running”. The best possible person to loan money to is someone with 0 credit history who can prove they’ve got a solid source of income, and are living well within their means. Because you know, once i bought my condo, paying my loan is the exact same thing as paying my rent.

    And if you wonder if i got a decent loan with such a “terrible credit history”. It was a loan with variable interest rate, after the first change, my interest dropped to 0 due to the financial crisis, and it remained at 0 until i paid it of.

    Anyone actually believing the american credit score system is anything else than just a way to force you to use credit while you really shouldn’t, is just indoctrinated. I’m sorry, but someone perfectly paying rent, and saving up for purchasing a house without ever using any credit is the perfect person to give a good mortgage too, and the exact kind of person this system sets out to punish because they’re not taking part in the American banking system the way the banks want you to.

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      9 months ago

      The best possible person to loan money to is someone with 0 credit history who can prove they’ve got a solid source of income, and are living well within their means.

      Okay, so the “solid income” component is easily provable.

      How can a lender know you’re living well within your means?

      I’m sorry, but someone perfectly paying rent, and saving up for purchasing a house without ever using any credit is the perfect person to give a good mortgage too

      Paying rent is NOT equivalent to paying a mortgage. With rent, you’re responsible for only making the rent payment. Nothing for housing upkeep and repair. Almost zero liability on how you keep your home could make you open to a law suit. No renter has to pay for the replacement of a roof or complete replacement of HVAC. Skills developed only to pay rent are insufficient for home ownership. That doesn’t mean a renter can’t grow to those home ownership skills too, but it isn’t equivalent as you’re suggesting…

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        9 months ago

        How can a lender know you’re living well within your means?

        It basically goes like this: here (the Netherlands) debt is registered, including what your monthly payments on those debts are. When you want to get a new loan you go to the bank with proof of income, they then look at your existing debt / payments and make an estimation of your cost of living. You will only be approved for a loan if monthly payments for current and the new loan + cost of living < your income.

        You’re not supposed to be able to borrow more than you can afford the payments on.

        Of course you can still get into trouble if you have a sudden drop in income, but at that point you can’t get any additional loans.

        They also register non-payment of debts, not just on loans but also on things like energy bills, rent, cell phone plans, etc.

        The best situation is that they have no records on you, because that means that you have no outstanding debt and no failures to pay.