This is an excellent article by Cathy Young, exposing some of the widespread misandry within feminism.
I don’t agree with every point she makes. I think the 1848 demonizing of men is way more serious and shouldn’t be so easily dismissed. But that doesn’t take away from her main point: feminism is full of misandry, and if they want to be taken seriously by men, they need to address that.
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Except feminism is not biased against men as individuals, it does not even deal with individuals rather it addresses systemic problems.
Oh great! It’s just biased against us as a gender.
You know, that’s still sexism.
It’s biased against a power system where one gender holds most power. If you feel like you are target by that - maybe it’s not because you are a man.
Feminism habitually demonizes men, not the powerful. Their boogeyman is called after fathers, not the few people who actually rule and have power. They call masculinity (the characteristics of a gender) toxic. It is misandrist to the core.
How is feminism demonizes men? Curios, since I’m a men and never felt demonized by feminism.
Dude, they don’t call masculinity toxic - they say that masculinity has toxic elements. How can you not get such a simple distinction?
It’s not.
How can you not see the evidence that is staring you in the face?
That says more about you than about feminism…
They do. They always talk about toxic masculinity, never any other kind. Does that not strike you as intentional?
And you can deny its misandry, but it is obvious to us.
I could link you some resources, but I’m not sure if you’re willing to read them and let them challenge your views.
And a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY
And that’s just the beginning of the rabbit hole.
What does it say about me?
Exactly - there is masculinity and toxic masculinity. How don’t you get that simple distinction? They are not the same. Feminism is criticizing toxic masculinity not masculinity as a whole.
What exactly should I do with random raddit posts and a tedX talk? If you have arguments bring them here and let’s discuss.
That you appear to be blind to the demonization of men so rampant within feminism, either willfully or because you’re a victim of its propaganda machine.
Does feminism ever talk about positive masculinity? That’s the problem: they habitually associate masculinity with toxicity. And the characteristics of a gender (what it means to be a man, or a woman) cannot be toxic.
Instead they should be more careful with their terminology and use for example toxic gender expectations. But they don’t. And that’s telling for a movement that is so sensitive to gendered language.
If you’re interested in getting familiar with our arguments and the evidence, then there are some sources. They are not “random”.
And if you’re not interested, then I think we’re done here.
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Not sure what you mean? They are “biased” in the sense that the societal structures favored men and feminism challenged that. But that is also the whole point.
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You would kind of have first to look at societal structures when feminism came up. Those obviously changed dramatically (at least in the west) but so did feminism.
Sounds wild to me, living in Germany.
How exactly is feminism responsible for that?
Which is bad because?
Due to systematic discrimination or because they chose other opportunities?
Why do men pay more taxes, is it an US thing - definitely not the case in Germany for example.
Again how would this be related to feminism. Are feminist running USA? Trump? Joe Biden? For real?!
You literally describe how patriarchy is negatively affecting men. Which is also criticized by feminism. Maybe you need to read a bit.
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Again I don’t see how you, or your son are being punished by feminism. My point was also more about that feminism has a history of addressing societal power structures though the lens of gender. Obviously it will have some outdated elements, but it is being constantly evolved to address more modern problems women - and if you go into more modern version marginalized groups in general experience.
Would be curious to read up how intersectional feminism is demonizing men.
How are lower penalties for women related to feminism, that does not make any sense. Isn’t it more the tradtional societal view of men being the violent and aggressive ones that is responsible for men getting an unfair treatment when it comes to sentencing?
But the reason would be the whole point. Is there a systemic disadvantage, then the state needs to intervene - no need to intervene in personal choice. Women choosing to be a stay at home mom, no need to intervene. Women having to stay at home because they have no other realistic choices. That’s bad.
So there is a pay gap, you might say - pretty sure feminism is addressing that issue.
But again feminism also deals with expectation put by society on men. For a personal example: I was raised by a rather feminist mother - and I don’t really feel any societal pressure on me as a man. Because that’s not what I tie my value as human being to.
That is an issue, but again - how is feminism at fault? This is more tied into USA being very neo liberal and having very little social market economy elements, which can greatly reduce the pressure on an individual.
Sure, feminism is challenging the whole structure that is responsible for the most problems you describe. You talk about the pressure of societal pressure men feel - where does it come from. From feminist world view or from the conservative world view. Does feminism expect men to be the sole earner for a family?
Patriarchy is not a theory it an observation of power structures. You can doubt of how much of it is left in modern times, but come on: women could not vote, work, study or be practically an independent adult for quite the long time in history and still can’t in some parts of the world. It’s silly to claim that there was never a power dis balance between men an women.
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