A bill to ban the use of the mineral in public water passed the Florida House 88-27. It now awaits Gov. Ron DeSantis’ signature.
Lawmakers in Florida gave final passage to a bill to ban fluoride in public water systems Tuesday, with the state House voting 88-27.
SB 700, also known as the Florida Farm Bill, doesn’t mention the word “fluoride,” but it would effectively ban the chemical compound by preventing “the use of certain additives in a water system.” The bill awaits Gov. Ron DeSantis’ signature.
If DeSantis, a Republican, signs the bill, Florida will become the second state to ban fluoride from water supplies.
The other state is Utah.
Don’t worry, y’all, they’re probably gonna make lead pipes great again, too!
edit - that way, you can all look and act like wild bill from the green mile! isn’t that GREAT?
second?
Who the fuck was the first?
Utah
Is there a lore reason why Utah isn’t used as a nuclear weapons testing area?
Ah, coulda guessed it’d be them. Only place I lived where I couldn’t find redeeming qualities.
So if they don’t use the word “fluoride,” does that mean the purpose is that the bill is open to interpretation depending on what they politically need at the time?
Or will the Republicans pass this bill and claim victory, but will actually just leave fluoride in the water?
All those MAGAs thinking it will save government money and that the citizens will see that savings. Even if the savings was fully passed to the general public, it’s going to be very tiny.
Looks like dentists in Florida are about to make a killing.
You’re assuming people can afford to go to the dentist.
Who needs teeth even you have flood insurance.
Dumb question: if this becomes countrywide, can we do it ourselves? Like, add fluoride and what have you to our tap water?
Some public water naturally has flouride in it without adding it. IIRC it was high flouride well water in Colorado that revealed its benefits You can also use flouride rinses or just not rinse after brushing. This doesn’t help kids though, which as I understand it are the primary beneficiaries of flouride in waterr.
As far as I know there’s not a way to just add it to the house supply, like they do with water softeners in some places, but you can get drops you can add to an individual glass of water. There are also tablets you can take. What I do at this point is use a fluoride mouthwash in the evening (the purple listerine; you have to avoid eating or drinking for 30 minutes after using it, so the evening is convenient that way) and also get the fluoride treatment at my dental hygienist appointments, along with using a fluoride toothpaste (which you’re most likely already using).
It’s a hassle, though, especially during the transition. When I moved out here, my teeth got worse in a hurry until I adapted to this new routine.
9/10 Evil dentists approve
All dentist are evil though.
What a stupid and shitty timeline we’re living in. Holy shit.
Florida was always stupid. Anything they do, will not surprise me.
There is evidence that there is a correlation between fluoride in water and lower IQ in children. It’s difficult to show causation, but it’s something that should be investigated. Pausing fluoridation while this happens would seem sensible.
I think this is the first time I’ve ever defended something these arseholes have done. Feels weird.
Did you even read the paper you linked?
flouride also stregnthens the teeth, its a fact. the anti-flouride people still complaining how they are getting cavaties despite using all thse flouride free toothpastes. alot of them ventured into using n-HA as a replacement, but the effects are very unpredictable and hasnt be reliabe, i think you need confirmed 10% n-HA for the toothpaste to repair the teeth.
but the effects are very unpredictable and hasnt be reliabe
I have read many opinions from dentists, educated by the latest research, who claim otherwise.
Hydroxyapatite toothpaste has been on the market for a long time in Japan, and their statistics do not suggest that there is rampant decay in their population.
Topically applied fluoride only remineralizes the surface enamel, however, it is more resistant to acid-attack. The typical American diet and oral care habits make this a more desirable choice for those who are unwilling to commit to a consistent oral hygeine routine (and changing their diet + snacking/drinking habits).
Nano-Hydroxyapatite is similar to actual tooth structure and occludes dentinal tubules. This means it has superior remineralization capabilities, as it penetrates deeper into the tooth structure. For me, this has greatly reduced the sensitivity I have experienced (which is why I switched).
While the research has not quite caught up, it seems ideal that one ceases using fluoride toothpaste for a period of a few weeks to a few months and uses only nano-hydroxyapatite toothpaste to remineralize the parts that fluoride doesn’t, and if their oral care routine isn’t sufficient or they are showing signs of decay (due to e.g. acid attack or improper flossing/etc.), they then should use fluoride toothpaste exclusively after that point in time (until sensitivity occurs), or a mixture of the two toothpastes (such as using a product like CariFree, which contains both), as this will make the surface of their teeth more resistant to acid.
Now, as for fluoride added to the water supply, it’s mostly useless to your teeth and is toxic. Fluoride’s benefits are topical, and most people do not give it a sufficient time to work (by leaving it on the teeth for 30 minutes). The fluoridated water doesn’t stay on your teeth long enough to outweigh the benefits of proper toothpaste usage/application.
Even if studies in third world countries or other countries (like Canada) suggest there is a benefit to fluoridating the water supply, an increase in dental education (especially in parents with children) would be sufficient to outweigh the supposed negatives of ceasing a largely ineffective (and likely harmful to human health) practice. Or through the regulation of foods and drinks that are known to directly contribute to the development of caries (especially in products targeting children).
Tooth decay doesn’t magically happen, there are specific causes for it. Like repeatedly applying acids to the teeth (e.g. soda) without rinsing it off with water or leaving plaque on the teeth (which produce acid) - which inevitably hardens to tartar and leads to a cascade of effects on oral and gum health, including more acid production.
If dental care and education was more accessible, more people would know about fluoride/nano-hydroxyapatite varnishes or would have trays made that they use overnight to remineralize their teeth. The benefits of water fluoridation are nil compared to the effectiveness of prescription (or regular) fluoride toothpastes and a proper oral care routine/diet interventions. Regular interventions from hygienists and licensed dentists - like dental cleanings/check-ups every 6 months are also imperative for oral health.
i think you need confirmed 10% n-HA for the toothpaste to repair the teeth.
According to case studies, 1-3% (of nanoXIM) is optimal for safety, sensitivity, remineralization, and whitening.
The mean IQ level was more in the region with medium fluoride concentration in drinking water (56.68) compared to areas with low fluoride concentration (41.03) and high fluoride concentration (31.59).
So according to that study, having “medium levels” (1.2-2ppm) of fluoride is much better. I checked three random water reports in Florida which had 0.5, 0.7 and 0.9 ppm.
They also fucked up this graph
Notice the x axis
Lol I’m sure Florida is so on top of that research
There are actually studies that support this person’s point. There’s are correlations between the quantity of fluoride in water and non-neurotypical characteristics in children. There are also links between fluoride and small deceases in IQ.
Take a look at some studies and be open to complication: fluoride is good for teeth and prevents cavities in low doses, but it also has some potentially serious side-effects. We should absolutely be doing more research on this.
Leave Florida if you can. Especially if you have or are expecting children. Moving isn’t always possible, but if you live in Florida know that your state is actively trying to hurt you.
I feel so bad for anyone who lives there through no choice of their own
You don’t need municipal water to be fluoridated if you just want your kids to have fluoridation. When I was a kid, we didn’t have fluoridation available in our municipal water, and so my folks got themselves a water cooler and ordered delivery of five gallon bottles of fluoridated water for it. Mom made a point of making milk with it from powdered milk so that everyone got their fluoridation. You can still get those bottles.
I mean, I’m sure that the great bulk of people aren’t going to do that, and that it’s going to lead to dental problems down the line, but it’s not like an individual can’t get ahold of the water if they want it. Costs more per unit of water volume to have it delivered than to pipe it in, but then, you’re not drinking all that much volume of water, either; most residential water use goes to things other than drinking.
EDIT: Plus, if you have a water cooler, you also can have chilled water. We didn’t have a powered cooler; ours was just an unpowered, gravity-fed dispenser, but all of the modern-day ones I’ve run into in offices have a chiller.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=water+dispenser+cooler
If I lived in (tropical) Florida, I’d probably want to have chilled water handy…
You’re kinda missing the point. It doesn’t stop at flouride. It doesn’t stop at deregulating manufacturing waste. Nothing in politics is “just one thing” it’s either an up or down trend that continues until people force change.
You don’t leave Florida because you want flouride in your water. You leave Florida because it’s the type of state that would ban flouride in the water.
Yet another expense lumped onto American citizens that is entirely avoidable
Not to mention infeasible for people already struggling to afford food and other basic necessities. Which means they will struggle to afford the dental care from not being able to afford privatized fluoride.
Its all a trap to push people in poverty into deeper states of vulnerability, eventually prison, and therefore free labor for the state
Isn’t it great that our teeth aren’t part of our health insurance?
Done even need that.
I went to a rural school and every week on Tuesdays we took 10 minute shifts to go rinse our mouths with a fluoride mouth wash. 1 gallon jug with a pump and Dixie cups. Lasted most of a school year.
Being able to circumvent their measures doesn’t mean they aren’t actively trying to increase harms for residents.
You know who doesn’t need Fluoride in their drinking water? People with dentures.
Checkmate whipper snappers.
The three people who still have teeth in Florida are in trouble now.
the state is named after flouride, FLOURIDA
Well, now I know for sure that you’re not in that state.
Because they got U out
Also, the Spanish named it “Florida”, which means “flowered”, root word “flor” for “flower”. Likewise, Nevada means “covered in snow”, root word “nieve” for “snow”.I believe that is not the etymology, and also you spelled flouride wrong.
Fluorida