Every once in a while I sometimes think about remaking the English writing system, as is normal I’m sure😅, and I wonder what would be the most useful revision of punctuation or phonetic.
“Most useful” is a pretty big role to fill but a proper second person plural would be great. The rednecks unironically got it best with y’all
Well technically I think it’s “you” and we used to have “thou” for singular. So, we had it and let it go.
¡For real😁 I use it all the time with my Texan friends and it’s great! It’s nice feeling like I’m speaking similar to them but also I didn’t realise how much I use the words “you guys” outside of writing.
Funny thing, I think that a plural you was dropped in the beginning because the Brits were trying to escape French and German royalty requiring formal address using the plural form.
I use “yous” when distinction is needed.
*youse *you (and use thou as singular again?)
Both are great 😃👍
“You all” are the words you’re looking for. Y’all, is short for you all.
The phrase “you all” doesn’t actually fit in the English standardization though and is itself just shorthand for “all of you [individuals],” which just highlights how clunky English handles second person plurals.
hence my preference for “YOU’UNS” because if you’re going to be grammatically repugnant then embrace it.
Y’all is much more natural, there’s nothing wrong with contractions.
Sarcasm font.
Bold, Italic, Underline, Sarcasm.
sArCAsM fOnT eXiStS, iT jUsT lOoKs BaD
See, now I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not. :)
It would be fun to have an Italic font that leans the other way.
It doesn’t seem like leanback characters exist for any ASCII or text encoding system. You might be able to develop ligatures to perform the function, but then there’s the issue of getting anyone to utilize it.
Well, we are working under the hypothetical of re-working the whole system, so why not? ;)
Hmmm… If you had a reversed font, italicized it, then reversed it again? 🤔
Honestly yeah, I feel bad when people can’t tell I’m being sarcastic on the internet because anything ridiculous I would say sarcastically is something another insane person might believe.
Poe’s Law:
We kinda “do” this with “scare quotes.”
yeah but “lots” of “people” don’t understand how any of those conventions work. “Some of them have no fuckign idea” what to put the quotes around, and others are trying to communicate some"thing" altogether stranger with their ‘choices’.
I’m a big fan of a sarcasm font, hell make it reverse italic, I could get down for that.
Spell things the way they are pronounced. Add extra letters if you have to.
I’m always curious on people’s ideas on how to reduce the number of letters that are needed for spelling in english (48~ phonemes which is massive for an alphabet). Personally I find that it makes sense to spell zh (like the g in beige or the s in pleasure) with Ž as it’s so uncommon it’s not really worth the extra letter.
Two letter phonemes are always possible.
For example, Lithuanian has 32 letters in its alphabet, and has no x, q, or w, but has ą, ę, į, ų, ū, č, š and your aforementioned ž.
It also has two phonemes that require two letters:
ch to differentiate it from h, to separate hide (h sound) from whores (ch sound)
dž to pronounce Jack and John as Džekas and Džonas, because j is pronounced as the y in yarp.
it also as ie, au, ei and similar two vowel combos that slowly go from one sound to another.
True that’s also useful, Two letters has worked fine for a lot of stuff in English (th, sh, ch) I guess zh isn’t a stretch at all for us. I’m kinda worried about vowels though since we have so many, maybe an addition like Cyrillic’s ь makes sense so non is non but known is noьn or something
You could either combine vowels to make new sounds or use something with diacritics like å, ä, ė or whatever is used the most.
Better tone indicators than emojis
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For me emojis work pretty well for simplistic stuff but definitely bad for more complicated stuff and writing
Death penalty for Oxford comma violations.
Um, valid. But nah I feel like the comma system has to be redone since people have such a hard time with it and it’s pretty disconnected from thr way we speak.
A standardized set of fonts and colors that accurately express body language and tone so that the written word looks like a ransom note, but is easily identified as sarcasm, dry wit, humorous, etc.
Distinction between the consonant R and rhotic vowels, so being able to spell “ever” as “evŗ”
Bringing back Þ and Đ and other old letters which represent sounds we still have.
Assigning C the sha sound and J its french sound so that Ch can be built as Tc and the hard J can be Dj, so Callow instead of Shallow, Tceck instead of Check, Jenre instead of Genre, and Djerk instead of Jerk.
Reassigning the names of letters to as much as coherently possible be grammatical function words so that single letters can be used as abbreviations for those grammar words, like Shavian did with T N Đ F and V for To, And, The, For, and Of.
Letting people otherwise spell words as they speak them given the phonetic values of the alphabet and judging people’s writing ability on the meaning and content of their writing as opposed to their ability to adhere to spellings that solidified hundreds of years ago.
Supporting publishing houses at a much more local scale to facilitate that spell as spoken reform in a more accommodating way.
Supporting poets and other writers on the off chance one of them turns out to be a modern Shakespeare and we get an ass ton of new words to put to good use.
I think it makes sense to have two letters for R and use them for onset and coda for a really good reason, dialectical compatibility is really high. In my dialect there are no coda R sounds but if it still represents schwa for me then I can spell everything the same as Americans or people with a different dialect in my country. It’s also pretty intuitive because spelling schwa with er is really common.
The schwa is honestly it’s own thing to me, I think it should have a letter as well, something like
- A = All
- Aŗ = Are
- Æ = And
- Ai = I
- Aiŗ = Ire
- E = End
- Ei = They
- Eiŗ = Air
- È = A
- Ŗ = Her
- I = He
- Iŗ = Ear
- Ì = in
- O = Oh
- Oŗ = Or
- Oi = Oil
- Ou = Out
- Ouŗ = Our
- Ò = On
- U = Oops
- Ue = Look
- Ù = Up
It’s not perfect but you can see what I’m going for, Shortening the average length of a sentence both by opening up phonetic/by spoken word spelling, and then also by eliminating homophones in writing by using abbreviations for the more commonly used soundalikes. Observe,
Ìt’s nòt pŗfekt, bùt Y kæn si wèt Ai’m goiŋ foŗ, coŗtìniŋ ð ævrìdj leŋþ v è sentens boþ bai opìniŋ ù fonetìk/bai spokìn wŗd speliŋ, æ ðen also bai ìlìmìneitiŋ hòmofonz ì raitiŋ bai yuziŋ èbrivieicènz f ð moŗ kòmènli yuzd soundèlaiks. Èbzŗv,
Strich typing would make it much easier to learn … and then much harder to grow, as importing words becomes harder.
A plural “you” would alleviate some awkwardness here and there. I often use “yous”
Negatives that match their positives: avoid the difference between “he went” and “he didn’t go”
he wentn’t © 😂
why not just say “he did go” vs “he didn’t go”? it’s not that they are different rather that !(“he went”) doesn’t exist.
“He went” is much more common, and has no negative.
Not grammar, but semantics, why is glass for a drinking glass, the material glass, and spectacles all the same word ?
There is no specific general word for a drinking glass.
What about “cup”?
because wood or rock don’t work in the other instances. Hand me that rock (person is holding spectacles) - you’d say - and they’d look at you like you had brain worms. Or coming home from a warm afternoon, walking in the house and remarking “I SURE COULD USE A BIG WOOD OF ICED TEA”, because again, that makes no sense. I kid, I kid, sometimes I like to let the obvious response out even though it’s the brain worms talking.
That said, your other point - not so much - Goblet chalice beaker stein mug cup yeah there aren’t words for these things at all.
