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    Guys who refuse to wash their arse because it’s “gay”.

    The sheer amount of self-hatred, insecurity and homophobia caused by toxic masculinity and shitty upbringings is astounding that you’d rather have swamp ass than be worried you’re gay.

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      Not saying it doesn’t happen but I’ve seen this said a few times now, and have never heard of anyone who actually refuses to clean their arse. Have I just lived a sheltered life or what?

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        I did. I was talking to some guys and somehow my bidet came up and everyone found it pretty amusing and “gay”. I said something like: well imagine you accidentally touch dogshit or something and then wipe it off with a piece of paper and go: well that’s good enough until my next shower.
        One guy said: what do you mean, next shower? And i said, that’s your next opportunity to clean your ass with water and soap. Where everyone seems to agree that was also for gays.
        It’s extra funny to me that in a previous conversation one of the guys said his girlfriend hates giving head. I wonder why mr. Poopy butthole.

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        If you search for “boyfriend refuses to wash ass reddit” on Google there are plenty of stories for you to eat your dinner over.

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            lol actually just look. Literally tens-hundreds of stories. It’s not a global conspiracy or group false memory. I get the Reddit hate but that’s just silly.

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              You know, I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but a lot of people lie on the internet for attention. Weird, I know now.

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              “I question this comment, do you have any actual expirence”?

              You: “sure, just look at all these other comments over there”.

              This is indeed very silly, but not because of reddit being involved.

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                I sincerely apologize for providing evidence of my claim that some men don’t wash their ass. I’ll remember for next time that I specifically have to know men that don’t wash their ass for my claim to have any validity, or else theKalash will not believe me.

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                  providing evidence

                  Uff …

                  This really speaks volumns about what social media has done to the mind of some people.

                  You really don’t see the problem when being asked for “acutal exprience” and someone unironically points to a comment on the internet? That’s literally the opposite of actual exprience.

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          If I wanted to read reddit, I wouldn’t be on kbin. And I was asking if they, specifically, had a first hand account.

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        It’s usually partners complaining that they stink because they don’t wash themselves properly.

        Some guys openly just admit it because they just don’t realise that it’s not normal. So fearful that they won’t put their hand anywhere near their own ass.

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      An ex of mine refused to wipe and would shower after every poop, claiming tp was ineffective, BUT WOULD ALSO refuse to purchase a bidet; the toxic masculinity here was thinking he was outsmarting us all while also contaminating every shower he had ever used

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        Washing your ass isn’t contaminating the shower, that’s almost as bizarre as thinking using tp makes you gay.

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    Tell his wife that he loved her, because love is “gay” and “feminine”

    Firstly, audibly expressing your heterosexuality isn’t gay.
    Secondly, there is nothing feminine about 2 guys loving each other, they are both guys so it’s the most masculine sexual/romantic pairing.

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    Refusing to use nail polish remover to clean off permanent marker because that’s “for women”. It’s acetone, my dude, acetone.

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    Besides physical violence, the most absurd thing I’ve seen was a man who bought a car after his wife pleaded not to because it would bankrupt them. He didn’t like that she was “telling him what to do.” They had two perfectly fine vehicles btw.

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        Was an old car salesman tactic to basically tell guys they weren’t man enough to risk something they could barely afford.

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          I heard a motorcycle salesman tell a customer to call his wife and ask if he could have his balls back for a couple of hours so he’d be able to make a decision on his own.

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          Still is. Attach emotion to a sales pitch and if the buyer is dumb enough to play into it, you’ll sell every time.

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          “Oh you want to talk to your wife before making the second largest purchase of your life? Who wears the pants in your relationship?”

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      Weird, I know a couple who did exactly this about 13 months ago. They’re divorced now. Unfortunately they spawned a child who will now have to deal with two parents who hate each other and can’t stop fighting in front of them at every meeting.

      All from some kind of weird macho trip fuelled by insecurity.

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    I’ve been to Gay pride parades, gay bars and gay clubs. The gayest experience I’ve had in my life was working in the trades with straight men doing everything they can to prove their masculinity at all costs.

    These men will use women as mere possessive objects in order to prove to their masculinity towards other men. By oversexualizing all women while at the same time belittling all that their partner does. As if women were merely currency for respect among men.

    They hated gays and trans people so much that they would spend an extremely uncomfortable amount of time telling you how much they were “disgusted” by these people.

    They hated on any man who who did not possess physical masculine traits. Those traits that they hated? Not being muscular. Not being tall. Not being fat (what???). Having longer hair.

    But the gayest thing these guys refused to do was stand up for themselves against unjust authority. They would spend the most all their free time explicitly telling you how much they hate their boss. How stupid their boss is. How much of an asshole their boss is. How they would kick their bosses ass. Just talk an absolute big game.

    Then the boss would come around the corner and you’d never see a bunch of grown ass men tuck their dicks between their legs faster than these guys. Their voices raise up a couple pitches and suddenly they are acting as subservient as how they believe their wives should be.

    It’s in this unspoken idea of respect for Men in Authority that you see the “gayest” trait in these toxic men. But not in a good gay way. A toxic gay trait that comes from a deep place built on oppression and repression of ones self. Where respect from your fellow man at all costs is the most valuable thing they crave. Where respect from your boss holds even higher value. Where respect from men in higher positions is held at even higher value.

    All they care about is to be noticed by other men. That’s kinda gay dude.

    The cost of all this effort to gain respect from exclusively other men is their dignity. And they are more than willing to give up their dignity to be noticed by men in positions of authority.

    To these guys, questioning or standing up to authority is gay. Standing up for yourself is gay. Demanding to be treated with dignity is gay. They will be the first ones to kick you down for disrespecting authority.

    I’ve walked into a club bathroom and saw two guys giving another guy a blowjob. That’s still not as gay as watching “straight” acting men grovel at the feet of boss in any trades.

    Ick…

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      Ugh. Very relateable.

      To give you an idea, I’m 2m/6ft6, do weight lifting and I’m not particularly worried about the size of my dick. I may be insecure about many things, but not about my manliness.

      Anyway, these kind of insecure men always try to out macho me. It’s so fucking tiring. I’m basically straight (never say never), but I like stuff these kinds of men often find gay, because I’m not an anti-intellectual moron who has the maturity of a 12 year old boy or cares too much about what other people think. It’s like they want to whip out their dicks and measure each other all the time. What kind of manchild cares so much about what other people think, that they can’t listen to classical music, dress nicely, or read a book? As you say, these men are too weak to have opinions of their own or stand-up to authority.

      They’re so deeply insecure, it’s fucking sad. Pathetic even. Not that I feel much sympathy for them, especially the older ones who’ve had time to mature, because they inevitably cause you grief. They’re at best annoying, but can be outright dangerous. The whole machismo, kiss the boot, contempt for the weak thing is a toxic cocktail. No surprise who they vote for either, always love to suck the dick of a strong leader who tells them they’re better than someone else.

      You know those Harvard implicit association tests? They have one for racism, but they also have one for homophobia. Certainly not without their flaws, but I took one. Turns out I have a bias against straight people. No mystery how that happened, given so many men are toxic.

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      Holy shit yes, this whole thing right here.

      The trade fields are absolutely insanely full of men telling each other how manly they are and how not gay they are with the “notice me” mode that it’s kinda ‘dude… if you want guys to hit on you… you’re going about it all wrong.’

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      Kudos for being able to say what you did, while using gay as a “derogatory” word, and not fucking it up in a way that would lead an uncharitable interpretation of what you said.

      That being said, I absolutely agree with you, and the most homophobic shit I’ve ever heard came from guys who were so insecure about their sexuality, in a way that signalled to virtually everyone who was secure, that there was something about themselves they didn’t want to accept.

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      Sounds like a great bunch(!)

      Not sure how it relates to “gayness” though.

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      The abject sycophancy to anyone in a position of authority is what amuses me the most about these “tough guys.”

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    For me it’s between refusing to use an umbrella because “it’s gay” or refusing to sit in the middle seat of a work truck because of the same reason as the first.

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        You joke, but going back to the ancient greeks that traditionally wasn’t seen as ‘gay’ or feminine, no. A top is dominant, therefore more masculine. A bottom is submissive, therefore feminine.

        Still a thing to this day.

        I’ll be honest, I’m glad I’m older, and less worried about that kind of shit and can just be me.

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          I think the roman had it a bit different : the minion or whore would be active while the guy was laying down. They even had suspended ropes or poles so the sex slave could use it to properly do its job.

          I don’t remember what was bad for them, except for big penis being very shameful because too beasty.

          I find roman and Greek very funny, because although they were extremely misogynistic, they had it all reversed compared to us. :D

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            Yeah, like they thought the Gauls were effeminate because Gaulish men… wore trousers and drank too much.

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          I did very well when I visited Mexico for this reason. The amount of dudes just totally cool with topping was excessive. Guys who are, by their own cultural standards, completely straight hanging out of grindr. It was a glorious week.

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              It was stupid hot. Lol. Also, apparently in the US I’m a disgusting fat fuck, whereas in Mexico, I’m whatever the Spanish word for thicc is, and have an ass worth pursuing. Lol.

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      I’m alright with not holding an umbrella but I’d want a raincoat or something to keep me dry still.

      But “fellas, is it gay to be dry?”

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      Sitting in the middle seat of a work truck can get a little gay if you’re driving a manual and need to shift into 2nd or 4th. Joking aside, I would probably use any excuse not to sit there because it’s incredibly uncomfortable to straddle the transmission hump.

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      I refuse to use an umbrella myself, but mostly because I find them impractical and unnecessary. My skin and my earbuds are waterproof, plus where I live it usually rains sideways.

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    I just had a concrete floor cut for plumbing, and neither of the guys wore a mask or respirator which is insanely unhealthy. I have a feeling it was “not manly”.

    Which makes that quite literal Toxic Masculinity.

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      I worked one summer at the same factory as my dad. One day I was operating a cutting machine and my dad came by because I wasn’t wearing any safety equipment. He suggested (not told) to wear the gear but I refused because no one else uses it. He said thats fine, it’s my choice but he suggested I walk around the factory floor and count how many workers had all their fingers. I put on the safety equipment. Later on while having lunch with the two other guys in our area I noticed both were missing fingers.

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        I worked for less than a week at a cedar shake and shingles mill: it takes trees and cuts them into fat shingles.

        I was promoted when the guy above me put the pneumatic splitter through his hand.

        The guy above my new position near-missed with a band saw: it bit into his arm but only about a millimeter.

        On day three a cut saw operator lost the last joint of three fingers.

        I told the foreman I was leaving. He nodded in understanding.

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        He suggested (not told) to wear the gear

        At what point would a smack to the head be warranted to prevent harm?

        You dad did the right thing, but dang. I suggest you don’t make dance tik toks next to this active tree size buzz saw.

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      People I used to work with refused to wear gloves and eye protection when handling fuel because “that’s gay”.

      They all have alligator hands now.

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        I did not know fuel is bad for your hands. Though I only really might touch it while filling ny car up.

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          I don’t imagine you have to worry about it. It’s more of am issue for them because it was frequent excessive lengthy exposures. It wasn’t helped by the fact that they didn’t wash their hands a lot.

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          Fuels are mostly hydrocarbons and those are hydrophobic and lipophilic. i.e they dissolve greasy/fatty things and your skin contains oils (which the fuel dissolves and thus strips out) and your cells are basically bags of water where the bag part (cell membrane) is made up of phospholipids (basically a type of fat) so that gets degraded too. None of that is good for your skin.

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          Occasional exposure isn’t going to do much. Some people even use kerosene (diesel) can be used to wash some things off your hands. But you want to avoid it when possible.

          Another reason I hate the EPA “safety” gas can nozzles. Because I’ve never felt more safe than when I’m covered in gasoline.

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      These are typically the big right wingers who later in life live in a constant state of rage because they’re crippled or disabled and blame the government or immigrants for the fact that they live on a $1200/mo disability check, can’t work, and have nothing to their name. At least that’s my personal experience.

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    The most obvious one I have experience with is guys refusing to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle because they’re so tuff and manly and they “just won’t crash”.

    I wear a helmet because it will protect my beautiful face if I fall off, and because it keeps bugs and birds from hitting the aforementioned rugged bearded handsomeness at high speeds thus preventing some accidents, and because I can have one with a cool design on it.

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      This is my 4-year old’s logic.

      Me: Come down from there! You need a helmet if you want to climb that high on the snow pile/rock/whatever!

      Him: But I am not falling! Look!

      Me: 🤦‍♂️ No, not yet, but you might!

      Him: But I’m not!

      🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤌🤌

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      Not just motorcycles in my case but literally any child or adult I’ve ever seen ride a bike or use a skateboard in my entire life while strolling through town. Not a single civilian wears a helmet these days. I see preteens rolling and doing tricks on their skateboards like they’re living out some early 2000’s Tony Hawk game for the Playstation. A few people even hook their strollers up to their bikes and wear nothing.

      One time cops had to be called in because some vengeful people who probably would’ve otherwise been shooters were using the opportunity to trip riders as they rode. Did it change anything? Nope, they still wore nothing and still made themselves vulnerable to the same thing if anyone would ever want to do it again. Cops never enforced what is actually a helmet/pad mandate and I guess it’s not a CPS concern either, which stands out given their history.

      Only a couple of friends of mine serve as an exception to the observation. One day some peers asked “why are you wearing a helmet and pads, you know, like little girls” and I’ll never forget how they responded with “why are you wearing nothing, you know, like poor people?”

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        Tbf that’s not toxic masculinity usually, just stupidity. It’s the same shit for men and women a like, and some idiots even teach their spawns to ride without one. But I guess you only buy helmet for the kids you want to keep…

        If something I’ve learned from 15 years of bmx and MTB, is that there’s no such a ride that doesn’t warrant using a helmet; was it visiting shop, picking kid from daycare or a day ride

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      and because it keeps bugs and birds from hitting the aforementioned rugged bearded handsomeness at high speeds

      I wear a full face helmet because holy shit I know one saved my face. But even if the helmet wasn’t a separator from potential meat crayon situation, I’d still wear it for this reason right here. Seriously, I’ve had some beetles hit my helmet so hard it made me recoil, I can’t imagine taking one straight to face like that.

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        meat crayon situation

        Yikes, that painted a horrible mental picture. Stay safe out there y’all :/

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        I tell anyone who asks that motorcycle helmets can prevent accidents. Your high delta-V beetle is the perfect example of why.

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      Yep that’s the dumbest thing. I’ve gone through clouds of bugs that hurt my chest when I wasn’t wearing my armored jacket, and I knew they would have felt worse on my face by far, but I never felt them since I never ride without the helmet.

      Even disregarding the obvious safety need, wearing a helmet improves the rider’s comfort by blocking bugs and debris. Maybe they think it’s manly to have bugs in your teeth and nostrils?

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    Had an absolute asshole of a Lieutenant over my platoon while deployed to Iraq. We get there and they’re issuing out bed linens. We’re all thrilled because we’re getting actual beds and not cots. This motherfucker refuses the linens because “they have flowers on them”, then proceeds to demand a cot for himself. He slept in the cot in his sleeping bag instead.

    He was also Mormon, attempted to proselytize every second he got, and proudly declared his virginity (he was in his late 20s at the time) when NO ONE ASKED to hear about that shit.

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      Wait, what do you mean by a cot? In my British English a cot is what babies sleep in and has tall bars on the sides to stop them falling out. I’m guessing this isn’t the same.

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        My bad, I didn’t realize it was called by another name elsewhere. It looks just like this [USGI Military Folding Cot https://a.co/d/c0K3vCF](USGI Military Folding Cot https://a.co/d/c0K3vCF)

        What do they call those where you’re from?

        To be fair, that LT would feel right at home in what you’re describing (we call that a “crib” in the US), he was such an ignorant ass.

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      The Aztecs, that would cut hearts out of people and fought with clubs edged with razor sharp rocks, worshipped a flower god (Xōchipilli) and a hummingbird god (Huītzilōpōchtli), those pansies.

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        I’m going to be honest here - being surrounded by hummingbirds is terrifying. Not only does the buzzing and needle beaks make you think of the mosquitos in jumanji, but they also teleport from place to place while hovering.

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    Refusing to wear a sweater, jacket, hat, or gloves when it’s bitterly cold out. They claimed that “real men endure the cold” and tried to say that wearing warm clothes to stay warm makes you “Womanly”.

    Nothing more manly than hypothermia and frostbite am I right guys? /s

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    Wouldn’t use a straw in their drink because he didn’t like the idea of it passing through his lips.

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    I think it’s important to call most of these stories what they are. They’re not toxic masculinity, they’re homophobia, in the most literal sense of the word.

    Edited for clarity

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      The venn diagram of toxic masculinity and homophobia is pretty much a circle.

      Edit: fixing my dumbass phone’s autocorrect.

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    Walking around a rainbow cross walk . Also just not using a cross walk in general and taking more time trying to cross the road at a random location than just walking slightly down the road to cross the street even though that’s the direction they where walking in the first place .

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    This one’s specific one but I’ve seen guys permantly fuck up their feet by wearing cheap, thin-soled boots everyday or stand in jeans and a hoodie in -20° F for hours because buying good, quality clothes is seen as feminine.

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      They wear thin-soled boots and improper warm weather gear because they feel they have something to prove.

      I wear them because I’m poor.

      We are not the same. smug look of superiority

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        And I underdress (slightly! not that extreme!) for the weather because I’ve got enough body fat that it’s more comfortable that way

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        When your feet are out of shape and you stand around all day, it can put too much stress on the arch of the foot. Or other areas, even up your legs depending on posture, fitness, and what you’re doing with your feet all day. Even just walking a lot can really suck if you have arthritis or simply allow (aka forced via work schedule) your feet to get overworked and on the down side of recovery.

        To be fair, it’s not ever the boot doing the fucking. It’s just not helping your feet survive. Even basic arch support goes a looong ways towards staying comfortable for many people.

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    Being too ashamed to tell people I couldn’t swim as a kid in situations that seriously could have ended in me drowning.