Imagine the PR gaff of having to retrospectively strip titles from a club. All the PL will do is wait for a season where City win the league by 20 points and strip them of 19.
I’d argue the PR for NOT punishing a team if found guilty of cheating would be even worse. At that point you have other teams questioning the point of continuing under the current operation
For the Yanks among us, it has echoes of the absurd fantasies people lived in when the idea of Robert Mueller bringing down Donald Trump while the latter was still in office was being bandied about. It’s fun to dream, but let’s not be silly.
Good analogy. I’m still pretty sure trump will get off lightly just for being a former president which sucks
City just tagged in as united limped to the ropes. Liverpool supporters should riot if city get off easy.
If they don’t the super league gets a lot more support or something like it.
Will it fuck. The super league is the death knell for the football pyramids throughout Europe. The overwhelming majority of people understand that.
All the PL will do is wait for a season where City win the league by 20 points and strip them of 19.
Not sure your logic really works there. In that case they’d still have found the current champions of their own competition guilty…
I don’t think you full understand the City case. They’ve been charged by the PL and it’s been sent to a independent commission to come up with the punishment as per the PL rules. That’s the stage we are in now, there’s an independent commission reviewing the evidence from both sides to ultimately come up with the punishment. The league won’t strip them of the titles, the independent commission will strip them if they see fit to do so.
Another note these charges only refer to seasons between 2009-10 and 2017-18, there could be another investigation for 2018-19 till now but that’s just jurno and social media talk right now.
While I agree it’ll be a PR nightmare for the league, to many people it’s the only way to hold up the ethical standard of the league. The league and commission almost certainly has upmost pressure from league owners (most notably probably LFC owners) and then fans around the world.
Personally don’t see a huge punishment for City like stripped titles. The high priced City lawyers will drag this out for a long time and negotiate the penalty down. No matter what the PL needs to rewrite FFP/sustainability rules, to make it easier for them to investigate but also ensure punishment is taken quicker, and also make it easier for “smaller” clubs to challenge the bigger ones if owners put up some collateral stake.
(most notably probably LFC owners)
Is there evidence to support that LFC ownership have been the most vocal in condemning or calling out Man City’s supposed financial impropriety? I am not aware of this.
Punishment? Don’t they have to first investigate to establish guilt before the punishment is dished out?
the ethical standard of the league
Well there you have the problem mate
Even as a city fan I just want to say I appreciate your sentiment in your last paragraph. Something needs to be done to FFP to make it easier for clubs to rise like city did, because FFP really does make it impossible for “smaller” clubs to challenge a title which means that there will never be even footing. Older and more established clubs who spent more in the past will always have the edge.
As for city specifically, I read the CAS judgements and they found nothing financially suspect, even when reviewing the time barred stuff. So I wouldn’t say the process is “deciding upon a punishment” at this point in time as much as it is deciding if a punishment is warranted. I doubt we’ll ever agree on that but I do appreciate you mentioning that things need to change to allow teams to replicate City’s rise in a “fair” way.
Nothing for city lawyers to drag out. This is not a court.
Any delay is 100% on the league.
Integrity of the game in the mud. 🤷🏻♂️
They aren’t being stripped of anything. They may get a token fine and a promise that they will be observed carefully. They might take a points deduction that will push them to 3rd place (at worst).
Everton got slapped because, sadly outside the UK, nobody really cares about them.
City are part and parcel of the Premier League’s international brand. Punishing City would call into question the integrity of the Premier League brand the world over.
Yeah, and because lots of relegated clubs have been putting pressure on them to fine us. We’ve overspend 20 mil on a stadium. That deserves a fine more than any point deduction.
Hi Australian everton supporter here and just going to add that there are many everton supporters in Australia so to say no one cares about everton outside of the UK is not entirely true
I’m a Liverpool supporter in the US and can honestly say I know one City fan and he started supporting them last year because he has terrible taste. I have met hundreds of Everton supporters here and while travelling. Everton has more longtime fans globally than City.
What thoroughly conclusive evidence you’ve presented
In my circles in Perth, I know one City supporter from before they even got bought by the Thai fellow, he even got a MCFC tattoo in Bali in high school.
So while you don’t have a lot of fans, they sure are passionate!
I want City docked points for the past 5 years so that Liverpool can have 2 more titles which we fully deserve having been fiscally prudent
The way football is nowadays, I suspect there aren’t that many clubs fully and truly above board. Every single club will have performed some ‘interesting’ accounting over the past 10-15 years with all of the TV money.
For city, retroactive punishment will create a logistical nightmare. If there is any on field punishment for city, such as a points deduction, we have to expect that it would be added to the following season so they start in the negative. Anything else really just causes an absolute mess for the years preceding and a PR nightmare.
I suspect it will be a hefty fine though. And by hefty, I mean a few million but that’s nothing to city.
There’s no way City or Chelsea will receive points deductions. Transfer ban and fine, yes. At most they’ll be ceremonially stripped of a title or two, but that won’t affect the current PL season (or any others moving forward.
Anything that’s stripped will be left vacant, not given to the second place team.
I doubt a title will be stripped but why wouldn’t it go to next? Did for Serie A. I don’t see them being able to claim no one won that year.
Bring the proof. The league is the one who bears that burden. City do not have to prove innocence. Show us the indisputable evidence
Oh dear. I love football as much as the next man but you do realise it’s not you on trial personally?
…and even if never proven, people always knew.
Eh? They’ve been charged, so they have been accused of being guilty, now it is very much up to City to prove their innocence.
Geez surprised you can even watch a game with your head in the sand that deep.
It is a bit convenient that Everton have been deducted 10 points now that they look like 10 points won’t really matter to them anymore
I’m not saying Everton deserve 10 points or that Everton should go down
I’m just saying the punishment is pretty irrelevant
Serie A had no issue.
Different tho, teams were literally fixing the outcome of games, it’s probably the worst form of cheating you get. At least with City another team has a theoretical chance of beating them still in any one game.
Didn’t it? I feel like back then Serie A was seen as comparable to Prem and La Liga. Obviously the money from TV rights just kept going for Prem but it definitely feels like the scandal hurt the league.
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