Lol no
PPI always is the way to go, you want an independent non-biased review of the vehicle in current condition to know of any future repairs and costs associated with potential ownership
CPO just means the dealer is willing to warranty the car and charge more for it. I know several folks that have bought CPO cars with undisclosed issues, including accidents they didn’t reveal.
I bought mine CPO and the dealer had covered the rocker in some sort of rubberized goo, then oversprayed it with paint. No clear coat.
Only found out after trying to get it PPF’d and it just slid off.
The dealer tried to blame me for it when clearly rockers were not factory paint what so ever.
That’s insane…I would’ve taken this to Porsche of America
no, just like a dealership PPI doesn’t count. you need it to be done by someone who isn’t already involved in the transaction.
I ppi’d a cat from a dealer. The dealer was mad but the mechanic set me straight. I ended up buying the car for less than advertised during covid. 10/10 would do again.
Take the sales guy/gal with you if you want. If not, fuck it.
A CPO inspection is incredibly detailed and rigorous. It can’t be cheated, and is documented by the mothership (PCNA) via a real time iPad inspection. Photos are taken and uploaded, and if anything doesn’t pass, it must be rectified, shown rectified, and then approves by PCNA BEFORE the car can carry CPO.
It not JUST a warranty, however, it has the best warranty coverage on the market.
Feel free to get an independent PPI if you don’t trust the CPO program, but just understand, every single independent shop is in business to make money - your money - there’s nothing ‘unbiased’ about it.
CPO warranties routinely repair or replace items on cars costing 5-6 times as much as the warranty did in the first place.
A CPO inspection is documented and proven - ask for the inspection report, and see if there are any glaring things missing FOR YOU before you spend additional money at a shop.
Disclosure: managed a Porsche store for 7 years, and have hundreds of happy CPO clients. Yes, I expect to get flamed for having worked at a stealership, and, yes, dealer service pricing can suck, HOWEVER, CPO warranty work is closely monitored by PCNA, and they take it VERY seriously.
They certainly don’t do model specific things such as a bore scoring check on the affected m96 and m97 engines.
Nope - that is a very specific service procedure.
And, since CPO would only cover cars 12 model years or 122k miles from new, the 08 Cayman S that would be affected would be out of contention for Certification anyhow.
At that point, it’d be a straight-up used car, so anything goes.
You still can, however, ask a dealer to do the 144 point CPO inspection on a used car, and document as if it would be Certified. We did it often.
A CPO inspection is incredibly detailed and rigorous. It can’t be cheated, and is documented by the mothership (PCNA) via a real time iPad inspection.
And I have a bridge to sell you…
There are numerous complaints on this and other Porsche forums about CPO cars sold with obvious problems that would have never passed an actual inspection.
That may be and I believe you, but it doesn’t stop some dealers from doing shady things. Bought a CPO Macan that had warped rotors and a terrible squeak from the steering rack few miles after purchase. I was told to pound sand because it wasn’t covered. After that, I became a little weary.
I don’t know bro. Dealers get paid for the work CPO covers. Declining the work is saying, no we don’t want that free sale. It comes out of Porsche’s pocket, not the dealers.
This idea that dealers decline warranty work on purpose is hilarious and a sign many folks don’t understand how warranty work is actually paid for.
They said it wasn’t covered.
How many is a few miles? Was the steering rack squeak reproducible or intermittent?
No
Personally I wouldn’t PPI a CPO car just because everything on the car is covered under warranty. If something breaks you just drop it off and get a loaner 🤷🏻♂️
Not everything. I had a really shit time with the dealer and PCNA over my 991.2 wheel bearings that failed under 50,000 miles. No accidents or other events that would lead to it. None of it was covered under warranty. $5,000 parts and labor might have been saved had I gotten a $300 ppi
Yeah, but when the CPO car you just bought spends the next 60 out of 90 days sitting in the shop waiting for backordered parts and repairs… maybe that PPI would have been worthwhile, no?
Great point… but I’d like to think that Porsche has very good service networks and turnaround times
My PPI found minor deficiencies in the CPO 981 I bought last year. The dealership was happy to address them before I finalized the sale.
CPO has a pretty extensive checklist of items, and dealer has to bring all maintenance current, along with fix any issues (ie tire wear), along with pay a pretty high fee for the warranty. But, for example, a car can have paint work/accident damage and pass CPO. And the CPO may not identify that.
An independent set of eyes will identify if there are issues is a good idea if you are not familiar with these cars. But a PPI is only as good as the shop and tech performing it, and they may or may not be better than your dealer.
I’ve bought 3 CPO cars, none I had inspected separately.
I’ve owned 3 CPO 911s and didn’t PPI any one. My dealership stood by every car, even the little shit. I’d still PPI any independent buy.
#NO I made this mistake and wish I hadn’t. Mine came sight unseen from a dealer CPOed with a FaceTime walkthrough. When it arrived, I saw a rock chip in my line of sight on the windshield, brakes that LOUDLY squealed (even though within CPO approval range), and extra paint nicks I couldn’t make out on FaceTime. Very disappointed in Porsche Greenville SC. Sales agent told me the windshield chip and paint chips were within acceptable range of CPO. Bunch of 💩
Unpopular opinion, but practically speaking a CPO is just an extended warranty from the manufacturer. No more, no less.
“But a Porsche CPO has to pass yada yada inspections…”. Yet many CPO buyers have been screwed by unscrupulous dealers who game the system.
Just google “porsche cpo problems” to read about many of them.
When a dealer performs work covered under CPO, Porsche pays the dealer for doing the repair. The dealer makes money (literally full market rate for parts and labor, as mandated by laws in most states). This idea that dealers decline valid warranty work - CPO or otherwise - is the dumbest shit I hear repeated on reddit.
No. It does not. Get an invasive PPI.
One thing I would add is that it’s better to find a local dealership that values your money, buying from out of state dealers w cpo just means your one and done. But locally they probably want your future business so they will be more in line to make you happy