China has accused Canada of carrying out “malicious and provocative” actions in the South China Sea, after the Canadian Navy said Chinese fighter jets endangered a helicopter in two close intercepts above international waters.
The comments come after CNN revealed last week that a Chinese warplane fired flares in front of a Canadian military helicopter on October 29, an operation that Canadian military officers said was reckless and could have resulted in the downing of the aircraft.
The incident was the second of two “unsafe” encounters the Canadian chopper had on that day with Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy J-11 fighters, which got as close as 100 feet (30 meters) from the helicopter, Maj. Rob Millen, air officer aboard the Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Ottawa, told CNN in an interview on the warship.
China has been fucking around for a while now. One of these times they’re going to step over that line and start something they wish they hadn’t.
I kinda hope they do and the US decides it’s had enough and declares war and launches the fleets to force Xi to apologise or get him ousted by the rest of the party. Obviously don’t want a real war, just real looking enough to freak out the CCP into backing down.
The outcome of that would more likely be war than a restructure of Chinese government.
And such a war would certainly make WWII look like babies at play.
Almost seems like china wants it. Their pilots are trained, their pilots act like infants… its a safe bet they’re trained to act like infants.
They are just like the playground bully. Acting all tough but they can’t back it up.
Look at their aircraft carrier: https://thedefencetimes.com/2023/06/06/fujian-chinese-aircraft-carrier-cracks/
China wouldn’t stand a chance if the US really wanted to swat them down.
Does anyone understand the impacts of this (genuine question)? I doubt the crack actually goes very deep, and is probably just in the deck armor. But that’s probably very expensive to replace. I assume the point here is that it’s ridiculous their carriers are cracking on their own while in active service, probably due to negligence.
Also, is it possible that’s just water or dirt? Or are we sure that’s a crack?
it’s ridiculous their carriers are cracking
That’s the point, I have no idea of the full impacts, I am not a crack expert. Well, not in these kinds of cracks at least.
Considering how bad modern Chinese construction can be, it wouldn’t be surprising if the whole thing just snapped in half.
It’s their playground. We’re on their playground. Imagine if China had bases in Cuba and Bermuda and were flying near our airspace. Geez, the liberal brain rot is real.
That’s no excuse for doing shit like this:
This is fucked up! Planes crash at lower altitudes from wake turbulence from much farther away, and that’s from being behind passenger jets! Not only do they crash, but they sometimes rip planes apart where they stand! This is an act not just of warning/bullying but of blatant aggression.
It’s the best excuse. If China was flying off the coast of South Carolina you don’t think our military would do that? GTFOH
It’s not “their playground”. Besides the fact that the South China Sea is a crucial international trade route (and thus shouldn’t “belong” to anyone), it is also bordered by many nations other than China, like Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines. And these nations are very bothered by the way China is using its size to bully them out of their own coastline. That is why Canada is there, to prevent China from dominating the smaller states. Obviously NATO has more than one goal in the region, but they are not uninvited guests and, in a world as globalized as ours, the South China Sea might as well be Canada’s playground.
The united states navy is also working in the south china sea for the same reason iirc
Might makes right? That’s a very liberal interpretation.
Find a Tankie, block a tankie!
I’m not a tankie, I could just be an old man with a warped world view.
We need to figure out ways to reorient China’s ambitions from an impossible ask - Taiwan, the 9-dash-line, and the South China Sea, and point out the obvious low hanging fruit, that wouldn’t require force projection / airborne and naval landings, and a world class navy to oppose literally every other country in the pacific, and invest those resources where they could gain massive ground, repatriate ethnic chinese and repatriate Chinese cities that they were forced to give up and still want back, like Vladivostok. Russia is sick. China is already pushing for greater influence in the -stan countries - the move only requires a will for China to head north, capturing enormous amounts of land, resources and new citizens / customers for it’s industries. And unlike the Pacific, I don’t know that many will want to save them after the last few years… I don’t see Belarus scrambling resources to send to defend Irkutsk.
What about America’s blood/oil lust?
oh don’t worry buddy I’m sure we’ll still find some assholes or innocents to bomb, we’re industrious like that, whole network of spy sattelites up there just peekin’ and peeping for someone doing something fuckity that disagrees with our freedumbs.
never fails bud.
Hey China, how about you stop being malicious and provacative in the SCS?
Bro they’re just defending their sovereignty bro. It’s totally their waters even though it’s international waters, and did you see how dangerous those fishermen vessels were to their national security??? /s
They were seen favorably by the Western Left, but then they started to pull shit like this. They have somehow managed to align both Democrats and Republicans against them, which is fucking impressive. They continue to recklessly fuck around, and I don’t think their economy is in a state to find out.
Can you hear yourself? It’s the South CHINA Sea. Not the South Canadian Sea.
That’s one of the dumbest arguments I’ve ever heard. It’s international waters.
Does the Gulf of Mexico belong solely to Mexico? Does the Black Sea belong to black people?
Pretty sure they were just making a joke
You should read the rest of their comments.
Oh wow. Poe’s law strikes again. In my defense, those other comments hadn’t been made yet
By your logic , then we can’t complain when China does ‘malicious, provocative’ moves near our aircraft. It’s international waters. But we all know liberal logic doesn’t work that way. It’s okay when we do it, but not when they do.
Dude, their behavior is dangerous and puts lives at risk.
Also, I love how tankies like you jump to call anyone they don’t like a liberal. You use that word however you want to describe anyone you don’t like. I don’t even identify with it.
Your comments say otherwise.
Dude, their behavior is dangerous and puts lives at risk.
You do realize this blames Canada. Right? Right?
Thank you for being the arbiter of my political leanings. I’ll be sure to take your sage advice into account.
I love how tankies like you jump
Right back at ya.
Have you read what happened? There’s only one party here doing malicious, provocative moves. It’s the same one that’s charging naval ships at Filipino fishermen and building structures in international waters in the South China Sea.
There’s a very long list of times China has done something like this. They’re fucking around, and if they accidentally do crash into another naval ship or plane, they’re going to find out. If that warplane’s flares downed the helicopter, it would be an international incident. I would be hard pressed to blame Canada if they declared war.
Think of it this way. Is it wrong for Iran to be hostile to the US after the US shot down one of their civilian jets? If Israel shot down a helicopter with journalists, would there be any question they fucked up?
The comment you are replying to is where I answered this comment. Let’s not be recursive.
Lol
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I am honored that you had to resort to AI instead of confronting my opinion head on. Maybe there’s hope for liberals, if they actually can read what they have the bots scribe for them.
Dude, its just the name of the sea
Well, why don’t they rename it the Yukon Sea then, huh?
Did you mean the south of China sea?
Haha, not funny.
Its the SAS south Asia sea actually China dissent own it
They’re playing a very dangerous game. And they know it too, with how they’re projecting in their statements.
They’re trying to claim international waters as their own. Flagrantly. If they’re going to ignore internationally agreed upon borders, they shouldn’t be surprised when everyone laughs at their claims of sovereignty.
Ah yes, when I think “Canada” I think “malicious and provocative”
Hey man if you had to live above a meth lab eventually you’d crack too.
What if…what if I live in the meth lab?
AAAAMERICA AMERICA home of the free baby
Canada isn’t sorry anymore.
That sounds like a really awesome tag line for the Captain Canada movie
He has a pet goose sidekick
It is known that no Canadian ever did a bad thing.
Depends on the government at the time. If we had Conservatives in charge federally you definitely should think malicious. We had ten years of living under a dictator before our current minority government.
Can we change the name of the SCS already? What could trigger the Chinese government the most?
Tianamen sea? Mongolia was here sea? Taiwan (no sea, just Taiwan)?
ASASAS - South Asian Sea It’s inclusive of all territories and still pisses off China.I think this is the best option, i dont want to piss the Chinese people but just the Chinese government and this could fall specifically in that space
SAS?
Don’t smoke weed kids
West Tawanese Channel
Greater Vietnamese Sea!
Taiwanese mine storage area.
America no!!
America : I’m over here…
Sorry, force of habit, Canada Noooo!
All these little maneuvers remind me of the classic bully who pulls his punch at the last second trying to get you to flinch.
What’s up with Russia and china’s shitty pilots? One of these days, one of those morons is going to stall their fighter or miscalculate and crash into the sea, and the international vessel they’re harassing is going to have to pick them up. Fucking idiots.
They want provocation from the west, if they do dangerous shit that might endanger Canadian/US/whoever vessels then we might be forced to retaliate in order to prevent an accident that could put sailors/marines at risk.
They should have send an air balloon instead…
Oh, are the hostage diplomacists upset?
Too fucking bad.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The incident was the second of two “unsafe” encounters the Canadian chopper had on that day with Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy J-11 fighters, which got as close as 100 feet (30 meters) from the helicopter, Maj.
Rob Millen, air officer aboard the Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Ottawa, told CNN in an interview on the warship.
Canadian Defense Minister Bill Blair briefed reporters on the incidents later Friday, saying the Chinese jets’ actions were deemed to be “significantly unsafe” and put “the safety of all personnel involved in unnecessary risk.”
“China’s People’s Liberation Army organized naval and air forces to conduct identification, verification in accordance with the law and issued multiple warnings.
Since 2014 Beijing has built up tiny reefs and sandbars into artificial islands heavily fortified with missiles, runways and weapons systems – sparking outcry from the other claimants.
That incident was recorded by news crews aboard the Canadian aircraft and witnessed by Maj. Gen. Iain Huddleston, the commander of Canada’s 1st Air Division, who was also on the plane.
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I think I’m old enough to realize none of this matters.
Daily reminder that Western media reports on this to make you fear/hate China.
Daily response that China’s still doing it, regardless of why it’s being reported.
Classic America-centric tomfoolery.
I’m Australian, mate. If anyone were able to tell you something shifty’s going on with China, it would be us. We’re kinda the English-speaking experts on the topic.
Australia is not immune. Just because you work at a gas station next to the library, it doesn’t make you a librarian.
You’re trying real hard to move this away from China, mate. They paying you or are you just going against the grain because it’s the ‘rock-n-roll’ thing to do? Or is it because you wanna try to keep people from pissing them off?
Just saying, it’s a weird thing to do when their pilots are clearly the ones who went aggro in the first place.
My problem is with American and Western media beating the drums for war with China. Article after article complaining about China. I don’t want a war with China. And I refuse to be convinced that it’s a good idea.
Nah, yeah, you’re right - war with China would be a very bad thing for everyone involved, but there need to be consequences for being an absolute dick to everyone, and China has a long history of provocation and other assorted dickery, even discounting this incident.
My problem is with American and Western media beating the drums for war with China.
Then you’re a fool, because that will never happen and no serious person thinks it will. You’re afraid of nothing.
As an American I’m amused you think we are afraid of China. I wish we got along better with them but the idea that were at home hiding under our beds worried about China’s military is silly. We’ve both got enough nukes to end each other and China lacks the ability to project its conventional military power much farther than its bogus, ever shifting, and illegal borders.
If China doesn’t want the smoke then it needs to quit behaving like a belligerent dingus in the South China Sea.
It would be one thing if they were just antagonizing the West. But they’re driving out fishermen from neighboring countries as well. When many countries are in debt to you, and you’re openly hostile to all of them, that debt goes from an asset to a liability. Especially when you’re begging for international incidents.
I do not think fear comes into the argument, if it does, it would be the Chinese, US has China surrounded with bases. China does not have a single base any where near US.
I do not think fear comes into the argument…
That’s the headline of the article that I responded too.
…US has China surrounded with bases.
Maps of US bases are freely available online.
You and I have very different definitions of “Surrounded”.
China does not have a single base any where near US.
Maps of US bases are freely available online.
Great map, however it doesn’t show any of the areas near China whereas the article clearly indicates that US has base on Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and Thailand.
And? That’s the business of each individual country. China isn’t surrounded by US bases, it’s surrounded by countries who want/agreed to host US bases. And much like Putin “being surrounded” by NATO, China only has itself to blame, for two big reasons:
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The South Korean presence, and to a degree Japanese, is because of the batshit insane North Korean government, which constantly makes threats of violence and destruction. And, which is bankrolled by China.
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China claimed international waters and drove out fishermen and vessels from neighboring countries. So who did they turn to?
If China respected international law and sovereignty, and stopped propping up NK, then they’d have a valid point.
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Great map, however it doesn’t show any of the areas near China
The map clearly shows the countries that have US bases in them such as Japan and Guam.
whereas the article clearly indicates that US has base
What article?
…Vietnam, and Thailand.
There are no US Military Bases in Vietnam or Thailand.
behaving like a belligerent dingus in the South China Sea.
Why is Canada even flying there? Oh, right…
The map at that link is laughable. Even Base Nation, the site that map is supposedly from, doesn’t have that ridiculous shit on it
Here, let me help you.
Man the worst part of lemmy is all the absolutely brain dead China apologists, you people are a cancer spreading bullshit propaganda. Fuck off loser.
I’m not apologizing for China, I’m just critical of American media. I remember the Cold War, I’m in no hurry to go through that again. Why can’t we be on friendly terms with China?
