Once again, Republicans are the shittiest Christians.
I’ll watch when it’s tRump, Hegseth, the rest of the cabnet, Musk, and the rest of the evil Republicans being lined up infront of the wall. I’ll set up a watch party and cheer.
Charlie Kirk’s was all I needed! :P
because people need to understand that there’s serious consequences for these types of things
Everyone understands that. That’s not a question.
All this will do is provide something inside these terror networks to play over and over and over to their recent converts. A public execution of these radical attacks only serves to encourage more of the exact same thing. There’s no part of it that’s discouraging.
These terror networks will literally play it over and over again. They will tell their people. “Hasan killed 13 of them and he is now dead and in heaven for his actions. The US will make you all martyrs and your kin will know your acts.”
Like Hegseth has literally no clue who he is dealing with. The people who he acts like this will discourage, all it will do is make happier to jump at the chance to have the same thing happen to them. He’s going to make the best recruitment tool for these terror organizations.
they are all too stupid to understand any of the points you are making
They’re all definitely stupider than shit, but idk if they’d care even if they did understand. They want more terrorist attacks because they think that will get them reelected and they pretty obviously don’t give a crap about who gets hurt in their quest for power.
⬆️ The correct answer right here.
The FBI just manufactured, then heorically stopped a terror plot at the Mall of America the other day
The Trump admin wants terror plots right now, they feel it will help them in the midterms
They saw Netanyahu cancel elections after 10/7 and avoid the consequences that were coming his way.
Hegseth probably is. The people telling him what to do…they probably have some idea
Yep they’ll just say the thread op is “defending Muslim terrorists” or some bullshit
You think they don’t want that? The more terror attacks on Americans the more they can push for the totalitarian police state to protect us.
It’s what Israel has been doing by funding Hamas and splintering Palestine.
Like Hegseth has literally no clue who he is dealing with. The people who he acts like this will discourage, all it will do is make happier to jump at the chance to have the same thing happen to them. He’s going to make the best recruitment tool for these terror organizations.
I don’t think its accurate to say that Hegseth doesn’t know what he is doing.
Making the execution public is on purpose, so the question is what purpose does it serve.
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The most obvious seems to be about ego, and being a “tough guy” Hegseth (and Trump) are obsessed with being seen as strong men, and they think a public execution makes them seem tough
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Terror, the next most obvious is that this is a part of the regimes ongoing terrorism campaign against Americans. Hegseth (and republicans in general) are telling people that they will find and execute anybody they think is an enemy.
“Speaking to Real America’s Voice, Hegseth made clear that the decision was deliberate. “We’re gonna make sure that people are able to watch it, that it’s public, because people need to understand that there’s serious consequences for these types of things,” he said.”
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Desensitization seems to be next. The constant ramping up of violence, and the political celebration of violence is a pretty deliberate attempt to make government run violence a normal part of life.
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Precedent is probably on this list. Now that the Regime can publicly execute people for terrorism, they can publicly execute anybody. They have already said that anybody who is against fascism is a terrorist, and they already have assaulted, imprisoned and killed people for it. Now they are setting a precedent that they can do it legally.
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Pissing off Muslims and making more enemies is probably here too. The regime needs people to blame atrocities on, when Trump nukes Los Angeles, he is going to want to blame it on “extremists.” It fuels his forever war, and gives him an unlimited supply of support from people that don’t look too hard. This seems to be rather low on the list, since the regime already lies about everything, and lying about muslim terrorists is probably easier than telling the truth about muslim terrorists, but anything to cloud the waters is probably a bonus.
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All the guy wanted was to die a martyr. He said so at his sentencing. Not only is this not going to show serious consequences but encourage future terrorists like you pointed out.
That said, Hegseth would be all too happy to encourage more violence on US citizens if it means ramping up the security apparatus and eroding citizen rights. No better than Netanyahu allowing Oct 7th to be as murderous as possible.
They don’t give a shit about Islamic terrorism. This is just another push of the Overton window.
If you think this will be the only live streamed execution, you’re in for a bad time.
So long the next ones are theirs
Honestly, there is much greater than a 0% chance that Hegseth didn’t understand serious consequences until he himself was exposed to it, so he thinks everyone else needs that type of awakening.
No, he understands very well the fascist economy needs enemies. If you gave Petey-pie a button that cleanly deleted Islam from the planet, he’d never press it because he can’t function without an opposing religious extreme…
For a sillier analogy, Batman and the Joker fight all the time but can’t exist without each other.
If you gave Petey-pie a button that cleanly deleted Islam from the planet, he’d never press it because he can’t function without an opposing religious extreme…
Yeah, and he can’t touch Saudi Arabia, being one of the largest purchasers of military equipment and in control of the Sunni mindset preventing the rest of the Muslim world from trying to intervene in the nakba.
100%. The guy didn’t do it thinking he’d get away with it or the US military would give him a slap on the wrist at his court martial. He intentionally tried to get the death penalty.
Also, for the people who care about that, firing squad is how you kill other soldiers. By extension, the Pentagon is acknowledging this man as a combatant and not a terrorist.
Traditionally reserved for (noble) officers too. Regular soldiers got a one to the back of the head or just hanged.
It degenerates the society that makes it a spectacle.
Everyone knows shooting sprees are bad but people still do them in spite of the punishments.
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Is he going to attend in person?
Squad has an opportunity to do something really funny.
Should personally pull the trigger himself if he wants it done like this. What service member will have this weight on them?
Expect civilian casualties if that ever happens, if that time Hegseth tried to throw an axe is any indication.
As long as someone is killed, Hegseth will nut.
I guess the grainy footage of strikes against innocent fishermen wasn’t doing it for him anymore.
Fox News Host
God I avoid cable news completely and completely forgetting about this.
Some fucking news anchor is in charge of shit.
During Trump’s first term he spent hours on the phone every night getting ‘advice’ from Tucker Carlson and other Fox personalities, and it only went downhill from there.
At least during his first term there was usually at least one responsible adult around to tell him no. Now he’s entirely surrounded himself with sycophants and bloodthirsty psychopaths chosen from the dumbest humanity had to offer.
At least Sean Bean was king enough to do it himself, and in one clean swipe, too. Not outsourcing it like a shitty Roman ruler for his own entertainment.
Why do you think those that work forces wouldn’t relish murdering someone in cold blood?
I believe it’s a bunch of shooters and only a couple of them have real bullets, rest are blanks.
That said, I’ve also heard that people who shoot can tell the difference between blanks and regular bullets?
Yeah, he’ll be there in person. Standing next to the firing squad, jerking himself off.
I’ve seen ICE shoot people
And before ice, I’ve seen cops do it
things like this makes us less civilized
It’s been going on since USA was born, in other states, at US behest. Is out of sight really better?
If executions happen at all, yes, of course they’re better done out of sight. What kind of person do you think would voluntarily watch those, and what would that do?
Obviously executions should not be happening at all.
If the state is executing people its citizens should be forced to watch: this is your will; this is what you voted for. Dumb, deaf and blind: Americans, “please do it off stage I’m watching TV here! No I didn’t vote!”
It’s wild that voting isn’t mandatory there.
“Civilized” does not mean willfully exploited.
Let me see how many other authoritarian dictatorships do public executions: Iran, North Korea, Yemen, but none of them broadcast them in live streaming. The only other occurrence of a live streamed execution was with the ISIS
If the US decides to livestream the execution, they will, of course, not do anything as crass as what ISIS did and put it in dark web or something.
No, they’re going to be classy people, and put it on pay per view! With crypto shitcoin rugpull sponsorship. That’s what we expect from the Trump administration at this point as a bare minimum. They will sink even lower in manners that are hard to predict, however.
There’s a comment like this on the conservative subreddit thread about this. Even those loons can put this together, along with how this is the best recruitment for ISIS there’s ever been.
I think for NK it’s more related to access to the internet and infrastructure not able to handle streaming. They may show it via terrestrial and would have the infrastructure for that. It wouldn’t depend on American / external services to manage this.
No they forbid all kind of recording of the public executions
I think the only firing squad execution worth watching since WWII would be one where it is Donald J. Trump who is being fired on.
The revolution will not be televised.
God, I’d actually pay to watch that. They could market it for ppv. Lots of people would pay for that I expect.
I’d just pirate it.
Nah, you gotta support them so they know to do more fascist executions :)
We could probably fund social healthcare for quite a while with the proceeds.
Honestly, go ahead and do it. Show the world how far America has fallen.
America deserves to be in the same category as terrorists who produce beheading videos. This ensures it.
100%. They’ve been sleepwalking into this shit for 30-40 years, have spent the last two doing “shocked Pikachu” and REFUSING to fight back while the other side escalates into a full sprint.
At this point they deserve whatever MAGA gives them and I no longer give a shit- the best I can hope for is that their inaction comes back and bites them so hard the US becomes a cautionary tale for every other country where the far-right is gaining steam.
I thought I was being a bit vitriolic, but you’re literally just a fascist. What a horrific take. You would have cheered on the Holocaust.
As far as I’m concerned, you just wished death on all my trans brothers and sisters.
Their take has the politics of like the bleakest possible form of defeatism: giving up and letting it happen to you, while hoping that something good might come out of you being steam-rolled. They’re not a fascist.
Idk sometimes people gravitate to the most hopeless political positions they can find and adopt them because if suffering is inevitable, then you’re more able to accept it on your terms and it feels more manageable. There’s a good quote somewhere I can’t remember that says the apocalypse has become an escapist fantasy from the real world.
I suspect @wizardoffrobozz@lemmy.ca does not live in the US, and like the rest of us is getting sick of the overflowing toilet spreading turds all over the house.
It’s extraordinarily frustrating to have no part in US happenings, but to be directly impacted by the dumbassery.
Things have been getting progressively worse for the last 10 years and Americans haven’t done anything about it. Perhaps you personally have, but Trumpism is the great shame of all Americans - your shared burden.
What you’ve just encountered is how most of the world feels about the US. No one actually wants you or your trans brethren or any other minority group to suffer, but there’s nothing we can do to help you either.
It’s not hyperbole to suggest that the best influence Trump can produce overseas is a cautionary tale demonstrating what happens if you elect right wing idiots.
So, with the greatest respect to you personally, I have to inform you that my respect for Americans generally is at an all time low.
It’s extraordinarily frustrating to have no part in US happenings, but to be directly impacted by the dumbassery.
Congratulations! Now you know how most Americans feel too in this fundamentally undemocratic country.
My point is, in some ways it’s worse for us because we dont have any opportunity to promote change.
Funny that you think that Americans have the ability to stop this short of a violent revolution that nobody really wants.
Also, please, you are not a bigger victim of American fascism than the people living under it’s boot.
That’s a text book false dichotomy. “Oh we couldn’t possibly do anything at all because we would need a violent revolution which would be awful”.
Also, I said “in some ways it’s worse”. We are not living under the boot of fascism, yet we have to bear the consequences despite having no opportunity to influence the outcome.
Literally all it would take for me to give Americans even an ounce of respect would be for them to make even the most modest effort to live up to the national mythology they’ve spent the better part of a century congratulating themselves for and belligerently forcing down everyone else’s throats.
No, I don’t hold other countries to the same standard, because they haven’t spent generations lecturing the rest of the world about their unparalleled courage, their moral superiority, and their supposedly instinctive resistance to fascism. They made fighting for freedom the centerpiece of their national identity. They demanded admiration for it. They treated any failure to provide that admiration as an insult. And now, when history finally asks them to demonstrate a fraction of the courage they’ve spent eighty years taking credit for, the pants-pissing cowards decide they’re helpless little babies and HOW DARE YOU, FOREIGNER?
I completely agree on all counts.
The economic, environmental, and moral harm is incalculable.
Later. Cowards get blocked.
So do fascists
So you’re a pro-death Nazi asshole?
because that’s what you’ve written.
Stop dressing your cowardice up as helplessness.
Stop dressing up your violent chest-beating as being anything other than you cosplaying as an antifascist. You’re just some keyboard warrior wannabe.
You do nothing but elect “lesser evil” fascists that cosplay as leftist opposition. You’re the problem, not people pointing it out.
Your lesser evil has been actively complicit in killing millions and destroying entire nations, and as long as you view that as acceptable to maintain your place at the top 10% of society, you absolutely deserve when the ratchet goes right enough to include you in the expendable sacrifice group you accept for others.
This is a discussion forum, of course they’re sharing thoughts, but they’re also sharing willingness to fight should there be enough fighters. Dismissing that as “keyboard warrior” is cowardice. You could communicate your willingness to fight, but all the likes of you communicate is blaming one person and willingness to return things to “normal”, where normal is continuing to shift right and sacrifice the next group of vulnerable people.
The system needs ripping out, a revolution is needed, and electing a democrat isn’t the solution to anything.
The funny thing is, you think you sound like a badass and to everyone else, you sound like half a Russian pussy who’s trying to stir up antipathy toward the Democratic Party.
In other words: you’re a conservative pretending to be a communist, to turn people against the left. So you can fuck right off, Putin’s Tiny Knob-Polisher.
I’m Russian? Good comeback, Nazi empathizer.
You’re not the left, you accept genocide abroad as a price for your liberal domestic life. You’re a Nazi.
Both sides demobilisation troll.
Genocide loving Nazi who blames the victims for not supporting their choice of fascism.
The marginalized people who will be the first to lose their lives aren’t cowards. The blood of the activists fighting the hardest will the the first to flow through our streets.
If you wish this evil on us, you’re a fucking Nazi.
No, we aren’t cowards. But we didn’t sign up to be sacrificed for you to sit at home and vote for democrats, you’re the nice-Nazi supporting cowards.
What are you talking about? They said they’re marginalized person and nothing specifically about being a liberal. They said they would die for anti-fascism pretty much and you’re calling them a Nazi?
In the context of the thread, the other person w"ished harm" on liberals, and the person I replied to identified with that group.
It read like sacrificing marginalized people to return to the Democratic rule and status quo. Because liberals do deserve Trump for the lack of empathy in sacrificing us, marginalized people. Only a liberal would be so offended by that statement.
The kind of shit you post when you don’t know that in the last couple years we’ve had multiple of the largest protests in human history. Sorry they didn’t make the fascist news media that is apparently your only source of info
Trump is trying to turn you against regular people in the USA (just like he wants to turn regular people in the USA against you) and it sounds like it’s working.
Wait… you think the SIZE of the protest matters one bit? When the thing you’re opposing gets WORSE following your protest?
Also, let’s call it what it was. It was a parade. And yes, it was very big and cute.
Unfortunately for white liberals in the US, protesting isn’t an end in itself unless you’re just using it as a way to telegraph that you’re “on the right side.”
Outcomes matter- and the only outcome of the once-every-four-months, “scheduled in advance,” “peaceful” No Kings parade was to communicate to MAGA that they are free to continue doing what they’re doing because their opposition is easily ignored and absolutely nothing to be afraid of.
This is nothing short of a clear threat to anyone that stands in opposition of the MAGA dictatorship. However, it won’t be the deterrent that they think it will be.
They think this will put all the liberals in line for fear of this happening to them, but it really will just fire everyone up to stand against their fascist shit even more.
And it also serves as a clear example that we are not doing enough to stop this criminal organization and need to step it up to their level- VERY soon.
It just gives the signal that violence is ok now
It’s never going to happen from the general public. Sorry to burst your bubble.
The only hope left is that there are some true Americans left in the military that are able to work together. Hopes not high for that either, as it would have happened by now.
Vote anyway. They are counting on the disenfranchised to help them win. So, spit in their faces as they set yours on fire.
Not in the US but agree. You have to, even if you can’t be sure its fair
Saw a quote recently that not voting isn’t resistance, it’s surrender. Rings very true nowadays.
The only hope left is that there are some true Americans left in the military that are able to work together.
This is not the only hope left, this is just one of the more ideal solutions.
Hopes not high for that either, as it would have happened by now. It’s never going to happen from the general public. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I really need people who say doomer shit like this to:
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Reflect on whether their words encourage solution-oriented thinking, or unproductive doom spirals
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Learn some emotional regulation
It’s much easier for people, especially on Lemmy, to be doomists. It means they don’t have to do anything other than watch the world burn.
That’s much easier than giving a shit and doing something, even if it’s small.
Eh, it’s not worse on Lemmy than I’ve seen it on any other platform, but yeah, you’re not wrong. If we think there’s nothing we can do, we will do just that.
Sorry to again burst both your bubbles but I’m not a citizen of your shithole country.
Regardless, I am still definitely making way more of an effort to stop fascism than the average American. But then again that’s not saying much.
I’m not a citizen of your shithole country
I know, I can see which instance you’re on. My original comment applies to you just as much as it does to any American.
Regardless, I am still definitely making way more of an effort to stop fascism than the average American.
You don’t know that, and we have no reason to believe you, but keep patting yourself on the back while vomiting your unregulated anxiety & despair at strangers on the internet, ig
Cool, then stop commenting I guess since this clearly ain’t about you.
Stereotypical American response much
I still have free speech where I am, I think I’ll comment on whatever I like.
You’re the one getting all huffy like you’re somehow personally impacted by my comment. I’m simply saying — if it doesn’t apply to you then see yourself out. What’s the point of commenting on something that, as you’ve stated, doesn’t apply to you?
You see my confusion here bud?
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That literally sounds like something Al-Qaeda or ISIS would do.
There are effectively no differences between the Abrahamic religions, except the flag they carry around their necks. They all love to abuse the defenseless while telling those same people they are “loved”.
Well, just swap a few bits of unverifiable superstitious claims, days of worship, some holidays, etc…but the right wing implementations all turn out to have sick bloodlust, hatred and subjugation of women, gays, intolerance of science, etc…what a weird coincidence.
Pointing this out to any of them results in blind rage, though.
I think I saw a quote from Amnesty International that the only public executions in the last year they were aware of occurred in Iran and Afghanistan.
We don’t call sisterfuckers like Hegseth Y’all Qaeda for nothing.
This time it’s free but next execution will be pay per view.
(I started writing this as a joke comment but I really wouldn’t put it past the shitler regime to do it.)
Don’t be ridiculous… It will be an NFT rug pull exclusive.
There’s only one execution I truly want to see, and I hope it is televised.
The Revolution won’t be televised
There wont be a revolution
— Lenin, 1916
Great now I can’t stand up for a little bit.
