(vegan)(arch) btw
Non-vegan playing devil’s advocate, here; I’ve always hated that argument: Yes the chicken is already dead, but by purchasing the product, you’re paving the way for more chickens to be killed to replace the one(s) you ate. Supply and demand. We need to come up with a better counter-argument.
Personally I’m not ready to stop eating meat, and probably never will be. I’m counting on lab-grown meat to come down in price enough to be produced en mssse within the next 10-15 years, and then I can enjoy all I want, 100% guilt-free. I will be among the first to buy it when it hits the supermarket.
What fallout character looks like Harry Potter?
“Daniel”
Sorry, thanks. Why does that fallout character look like Harry Daniel?
No no, the character looks like Daniel Potter.
Reminds me of Daniel Harry though.
People always get Daniel Harry and Elijah Potter mixed up.
Didn’t one of them marry a man made out of metal or something like that?
…What chicken nuggies take 20 minutes to cook?
A lot of them do in the oven. They’re way better that way.
I think an air fryer has distorted my perception of cooking times, heh.
And preheating!
Wouldn’t it be more vegan-esque (?) to consume the chicken nugget and make use of it’s sacrifice than to throw out an uncooked warm nugget?
It wasn’t a sacrifice. The chicken didn’t volunteer.
If it didn’t volunteer then why did it choose to be born food?
Lemmy users encountering a vegan: “How dare you care about what someone does in their private life?”
Also Lemmy users when someone mentions they still use Windows occasionally: “The clock tells the time. It is the time. THE TIME OF WAR.”
oh lemmy has a sizable vegan percentage.
the problem is they became so militant, and abrasive to otherwise normal behavior, that they cloistered themselves to their own groups.
they don’t allow participation of the general population, yet don’t prevent their posts from reaching ALL causing immediate confrontation, and alienating themselves as an “other” to the larger collective.
it’s a shame because any sort of headway or mutual understanding of the horrors of how we treat livestock gets kinda overshadowed by personal attacks and righteous indignity. no real conversation on the issues happen as it turns into another circle jerk one one side, and a issue that is overlooked by the other as manufactured by our society.
I generally see some good comments from vegans (and non vegans) in these kinds of threads, but definitely also see some of the comments you’ve mentioned of “you are evil and immoral for doing this.”
yea, the ones that are not in the vegan safe space are not primed to, i hate to say it, virtue signal. it would not get so bad if they were not rave baiting all communities. but i do notice i don’t get meny cooking recipes from the vegan channels, must be talking about something else…
punchlines make crappy titles
This is BrandNewSentence. The post headlines are always the sentence.
then you should have chosen a different sentence. “that’s fuckin nice but the chicken is already in the nuggets” or “(vegan) i hope your power goes out” Both choices better fit a BNS post construction and dont put the punch line in the title.
to be clear BNS /=/ Punchline. all bns posts dont have the punchline in the title. The comedy from a BNS post is derived from the BNS being the setup and the humor being the explanation or reason for the BNS to be uttered in the first place. Setting aside the issue of using a sentence that starts with “I love this post because…” just adds a whole 'nother meta layer of confusion.
but thats just like, my opinion. man.
I disagree.
Vegans: Why does no one like us?
Also Vegans: (Always “on” and going out of their way to insert themselves into situations so they can act exactly like that).
Yes I know not all vegans are like that but I also never see them telling the militant ones to STFU and stop making them al look bad.
I don’t buy meat, but I’ll eat it if it’s given to me. It’s a treat to me, and I savour it when it happens. The downside is that vegetarians, vegans, and meat eaters all hate me 😂
[Jokingly] That just sounds like you’re a meat mooch.
oppertunistic carnivore
you are doing better than 98% of people so I think vegans and vegetarians would be extremely happy with that (I’m “vegan” but will eat stuff thats going in the trash otherwise)
Vegetarians are happy at first, until they see me just devour a whole chicken once a month, then they give me the side eye lol. Vegans don’t like that I eat dairy and eggs. Carnivores get annoyed when I have a meal of “rabbit food”. I seem to annoy everyone 😂
I dunno, to me it’s called having a varied diet and it’s normal. Where I grew up, that’s what you ate. Mostly plants, dairy from the cows/goats/sheep, eggs from the chickens. Then sometimes, the village would slaughter a goat, and you had a party and ate as much meat as you could because it doesn’t preserve well. The animals were treated with respect, but we also ate them sometimes. It doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.
Food is a weird thing, I find people care a lot about what I eat for some reason. It feels like I’m not following some unspoken rules or something
I don’t think anyone in the carnivore space would be annoyed at you eating what you choose to eat. If you’re healthy, why would it bother anyone?
Regular vegetarians have tried to tell them to tone it down, it just makes them more radical.
That’s because vegetarians are either hypocrites or don’t care about animal suffering in the first place. Ideologically they have more in common with meat eaters than with vegans.
*stay mad, cheesebreath. Those are the only two options. Either they don’t care about causing animal suffering for their lifestyle, or they claim to care and are hypocrites. ‘animals shouldn’t be killed for food, except for these foods’ is a fundamentally hypocritical position.
Perfection is the enemy of good. Being vegetarian is already a huge improvement, not just for animal welfare, but also from an ecological viewpoint.
It’s a lot easier to convince people to eat less meat, or give it up entirely, than to just become vegan overnight. And many vegetarians eventually become vegan
Yes, when they realize being vegetarian is hypocritical. Or they aren’t hypocrites because they don’t care about animal suffering and they’re doing it for environmental reasons or whatever.
Do you expect vegans to mind control other vegans or something? Militant people are usually not the ones who listen when you ask them to shut up.
“Militant” is being kind. “Belligerent” is closer to the experience.
And belligerent types are even less likely to listen when you ask them to stop. That’s exactly my point.
It’s so nice to agree 😁
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-gooder_derogation
It’s your subconscious telling you they’re right and trying to protect your ego.
Nah, I will readily admit that vegans are morally correct, that I am weak for being unable to commit fully, and also that the evangelism is often cringe and counterproductive.
I think veganism just self-selects for insane people, because you have to be a bit crazy to go against 98% of the population, eat differently than your friends and family, and ask constantly if things have cheese or milk in them everywhere you go.
source: me e: im literally talking about myself in this paragraph
As someone who has gone a bit crazy eating against 99% of the population, differently then friends and family, and always having to ask if things have sugar or oil in them everywhere I go… I can confirm I am insane.
you have to be a bit crazy to go against 98% of the population
Ah yes, because the ever-so sane majority is always right.
and ask constantly if things have cheese or milk in them everywhere you go
Well, tbf ya vegans aren’t alone on this one
- my friend who dies if 0.001g of lactose gets in contact with his mouth
I’m not a vegan, but behavior change (if you want to change) is most effectively accomplished with smaller, incremental changes. If you try to make huge, sweeping changes from the start, there’s a very good chance you won’t stick with it. Vegans expecting you to “just” eliminate all animal products on day 1 is very unrealistic.
For the animal products example, you could reduce (not eliminate) consumption of one thing at a time. Start with one meal per week for a week or two, reduce the portion of meat or other animal product you want to eliminate by 1/3 or whatever you can manage. After a week or two, you reduce the portion in another meal. Give it a week or two. Then another portion. And another after that. Etc.
If you can do more, then try it out. If you feel like you can’t reduce one week or another, don’t pressure yourself to do it, just consider it a victory of sorts that you didn’t eat more. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Taper the dosage, don’t go cold turkey.
I haven’t done this for animal products, but I have done it with alcohol and prescription medication. I can’t guarantee you’ll see success, all I can say is that it worked for me and others I learned from.
I’ve been gradually cutting out meat from my diet for years. I started with pigs “because they’re so smart”, then watched cute cow videos and stopped eating them. Those are, iirc, the highest environmental impact meats so just that much does a fair amount of harm reduction.
It’s as annoying as someone bragging about big ol’ raw steaks and ribs and such, like they have been doing in the Texas political stuff lately. Both as a smear (“look at this pussy non-Texan!”) and a defense (“I do love ribs, I really do!”) and it all comes across the same way to me.
Truthfully, neither types of statements personally bother me, but given everything we know about the climate, economics, etc., the vegans are better and easier to defend.
God, if only those people who want to save the planet shut the fuck up about it! How about you save the planet without annoying me??
they may want to save the planet, but being vegan doesn’t do that.
I’m convinced saving the plant will require eating local food, no industrial inputs, no fossil fuel consumption. Moving everyone to a diet that requires exotic foods that must be shipped around the globe, massive industrial inputs, and has built in nutrient deficiencies - seems counter productive.
“Don’t be mean to the meat eaters in case they might consider stopping someday” isn’t a very effective strategy at getting people to think about what they’re supporting though.
Neither is being mean, as it turns out.
