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Oh so now you believe the CIA?
The proper leftist meme format.
I dont know it was a little terse for my taste
I would highly suggest not linking to the CIA’s website directly 😁
Why not? What’re they going to do, spy on you more?
For people living outside the US the chance of the CIA getting their info somehow is absolutely not 0, but it’s not 100% either like in the case where we visit their website directly.
It’s approximately 100% if they want it. They just buy the same data they’d get form you visiting the site from Google, which has way more data.
Yes he was:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
These Lenin/Stalin worship posts are shameful. You are being as big of a fool as neonazis. Instead of wasting time with memes learn history and stop worship idiots.
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WIKEPEDIA LINKS 😭😭😭
I can’t with y’all anymore
We have no choice but to abandon communism.
Gulags were prisons. And they were, in many ways, more humane and rehabilitation-focused than any Western prisons. This is scratching the surface of the issue.
The real issue is you not bothering to fathom that the capitalists will fight tooth and nail, including psychologically, to stop the rise of the singular ideology that threatens their millenia of power.
Also in an average year of the gulag, about 40 percent of prisoners were released, meaning sentences weren’t long
I understand that there is a mountain of propaganda convincing you that Stalin was evil, but literally name one thing supposedly wrong witb LENIN. Nothing, not even the usual CIA and Nazis could be bothered to make up stories about him.
You are operating under the assumption of, “well, all the people around me say these people are evil, so, they must be!”
Kronstadt comes to mind
In case people are still reading this thread, Kronstadt were Whites (not the skin kind, the White army). Some at Kronstadt called themselves anarchists but the group otherwise committed pogroms and was fighting for the White army. Not that OP really cared, all he wanted was to attribute something to Lenin to criticize him for.
Although ALSO the skin kind lol, just coincidence
The Krondstadt wreckers had it coming. It would have been a bad thing if the soviets didn’t massacre them.
What I have to say is to point you towards the Dessalines git post and ask you to find the issues with his sources or his statements wikipedia is not an unbiased or in depth source, look at the primary sources of your information who they were how they got that information. Like Dessalines looked at it and countered it with good sources now you are pointing back at the target of the Dessalines criticism without even acknowledging the criticism. I have no problems with disagreement, as long as its in good faith but you glossing over and huge documentation of criticism and just repeating your point cause Wikipedia says so does not look like good faith
This appears to be another… Wikipedia link?
Can’t you see that you are pretty much doing psyop yourself? There’s no such thing as a good dictator. Stalin isn’t good because they sentenced to dead less political prisoners than the Tsar or Hitler. They are all shit. Do not worship a dictator.
The CIA admitted they invented the hogwash about Stalin being a dictator, and admitted he was merely the “captain of a team.”
The only reason we think of him as a “dictator” here in the West is because anybody that has resisted the West’s demands for total prostration is a “dictator.” If you want examples of REAL dictators you should look to all of the right-wing egotistic maniacs the U.S. government sponsored from centuries past to the present.
There is a difference between a “dictator” who kills fascists, capitalists, monarchists, slavers and saboteurs trying to actively destroy a system that is saving and uplifting hundreds of millions of lives, and an ACTUAL dictator who kills twice that number in women, children, socialists, racial minorities, sexual minorities, religious minorities, while plundering the country and essentially enslaving their own populace.
He was never a dictator
He was never a dictator
Are you saying that he was a dictator?
You need to stop telling us what we believe. We don’t worship anyone.
You can find plenty of communist criticisms of Stalin. They appear on this forum from time to time.
Maybe try engaging earnestly and give specifics. You may get even more context from us that might change your view. Or, hell, we might even agree with you. Stalin did good things. He also did some shit things.
Instead, you’re relying off of the Stalin boogeyman myth that even the US government has admitted is false.
[Genie meme]
You: I wish [“tankies”, or whatever else you want to call us] stopped worshiping dictators.
Genie: Granted
You: Nothing changed.
Genie: Correct.
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I understand that you can’t understand our comments. I mean, if you did, you’d realise we don’t worship anyone.
But… damn, you can’t even read the image in the post.
the most devout anti-communists can’t read.
There’s a reason every single evil communist dictator has encouraged massive literacy programs.
Tell me sincerely, because I want to get into the mind of someone like you, do you really believe that wikipedia is a trustworthy source on literally anything? Like deep down, when you go fetch a wikipedia link, do you really think “yeah I’ll just link wikipedia then I won’t have to make a point myself”?
Wikipedia is trustworthy enough for famous historical events, you won’t find write in it that the gulags weren’t real
all of these sources come from western analysts during the cold war, all of whom belonged to western think tanks designed to propagate misinformation against communism.
Your sources are inflated by people long dead and their relatives pump this same shit for you to consume. Gulags existed, so does labor camps in america, america also regularly massacred students and workers. And caused a silent famine to happen in the midwest, yet you scream communism to drown out any forms of alternative information you feel uncomfortable about.
It is in fact precisely such highly political historical topics that wikipedia is most untrustworthy about.
learn history
Good advice.
Why read Marx when you have Wikipedia you know
You may want to read the biography of Marx and the historical events of the 19th century. Wikipedia offers a good recap and data for further reading.
You could read actual works by Marx but it would require being able to read pages longer than a Wikipedia article.
Your assumption that the person you are talking to isn’t familiar with it gives away that you are full of bullshit. Pick up a bunch of history books irl and read them from start to finish. Stop learning from memes and reddit posts.
The person I’m talking to links Wikipedia articles and tells me to read ‘history books’ lmao. Of course I’m not taking it seriously.
And who do you take seriously? People telling you exactly what you want to hear?
You seem familiar with Marx so cross check yourself the data with Wikipedia
You clearly aren’t familiar. You share wikipedia articles and spout debunked claims
Debunked claims such as Stalin being a dictator?
Ok. I mean, I’m not going to do it IRL, since I have them on my tablet, but I’ll go read Blackshirts and Reds, Triumph of Evil, the Book of the Hopi, The Cold War and Its Origins, The Hidden History of the Korean War. I’ll also recommend you read them.
Edit: How could I forget Killing Hope?!
Read them all and draw your own conclusions on whether Stalin was a brutal dictator or someone to worship. I suggest you to read on paper or eink display to not strain your eyes.
Oh hey, you’re in this meme! Smile for the cameras
Hey what did lenin do? He was a clean man and did nothing absolutely wrong. What did your founding father do? Genocide, colonialism, stealing lands from Mexico… Oh slavery, tons of slavery…
OK, teenager.
40 hours a week here. Pay my own bills. Agree entirely with OP. Stalin was, in fact, a very good man, and partially responsible for the liberation of Europe from Nazi occupation. The ideological progeny of those same Nazis like yourself, NATO, and the EU will never forgive him for it, nor the millions of brave Red Army soldiers and Soviet civilians who fought, struggled and died against them.
Die
“Those who hate the working class and the people, those who hate peace, those who hate and fear the conception of international fraternity, have always hated and feared Stalin, the man of peace, of international fraternity, the champion of the working class and the people who labour. They feared and slandered him in his life and they feared and slandered him at his death.”He was brutal though w.r.t our standards and norms. But the problem is everyone in the politburo was brutal. Lol
Meanwhile, wholesome chungus oil barons and military-industrial complex defense contractors are just smol beans that simply have to make line go up.
Take aside from what the original commenter said, I will not comment on that. But this “they are bad, so it’s okay that we are bad too” defense is complete bullshit
