Talking about something as big and diverse as Europe will inevitably highlight some countries/policies and completely ignore others. And I will be mostly focusing on western europe because that’s the part I’m familiar with, so eastward up to Germany and Austria. I expect eastward countries are much of the same, especially if they’re in the EU, but like I said it would be ignorant for me to speak about them. Finally, this takes into account non-EU countries. It’s not just the EU. Frankly, I feel like when it comes to things like this, the EU has very little to do with it.

What is Europe’s actual energy policy?

To decide to overpay on underperforming energy ‘solutions’ just because they come from the US.

You saw it with the Nordstream pipeline. It got blown up, and Germany said they wouldn’t rebuild it. Now they buy LNG from the US. Daddy US said “no more russian energy, son” and we said yes dad. our fucking politicians are clowns, literal dorks who stumble over every other word because they know they can’t defend any of these policies. Remember the “sometimes daddy has to get angry” guy? Some EU dork or something. Nobody voted for him, nobody knows how he got there, but apparently he gets to make policy for literally almost 1 billion people.

Despite that nuclear energy is among the greenest energy you could have, we have almost no nuclear policy or research happening. AFAIK France is the only one still relying on nuclear (ie not phasing it out), because they can still get cheap blood uranium from their ex-not-so-ex-colonies in West Africa.

You are not allowed to install A/C despite heat records being broken year after year since 2020 - it is currently hotter in a vast part of France and Spain than it is in the Sahara Desert! And yet, hospitals, schools, retirement homes and other places

In some places, you are not even allowed to install A/C because the building is “protected”. In others, you need a permit or you need to have solar - policies designed to discourage people from wanting to install A/C.

However you can absolutely buy a portable unit, the ones with the hose. These are not efficient, both in terms of cooling capacity and electricity use, but they’re allowed without restrictions. Make it make sense.

Meanwhile we happily offload our production to China on the cheap to sell back to our consumers for over triple the price, and China bears the brunt of this offshoring.

If they do have A/C, there are huge barriers to how they can use it. Can’t have it go too low (which in practice means “barely 2-4 degrees lower than the sweltering outside temp”, not “maybe don’t go down to 18C when it’s 35 outside”), can’t have it on the whole time, etc.

It’s incredible that the best answer this entire cohort of elected politicians can find to people fucking dying from the weather is “open the windows and drink water :)”

I promise you they don’t just ‘open the windows and drink water’ at the WEF forum in Davos lol. Judging by the pictures they have some cool A/C in there.

Every year we break new records and then you still have the reactionary bots saying “it’s just summer shut up”. A sentiment echoed by our politicians, considering state policy is literally just to ignore the problem. One thing I don’t like is framing that it has to get ‘too hot’ to justify taking actual measures against the heat. It’s well-intentioned, but we’re not machines. It’s like, when we started getting what they call ‘tropical nights’ - which is when temps go >30C during the day and don’t get below 20C during the night, and is another euphemism meant to gaslight us into believing this is normal and other people just deal with it - that wasn’t enough. That was “normal”. Now we’re getting temps higher than the Sahara desert and it’s still ‘not enough’ to justify taking measures. It’s still just business as usual.

Every year people die during the heatwaves btw. Easily remedied by having A/C (you can probably tell I’m getting tired of the heatwave and want to install A/C).

But it’s not just the heat. We promote solar but have no incentives for it. We block cheap Chinese solar panels in ALL of Europe, and have done so since they started getting cheap around the turn of the 21st century. It’s wild that if we had embraced cheap solar in the 2000s, every fucking home in Europe would be equipped with solar by now.

There is literally no reason to bear the cost of installing solar when it’s so expensive and you won’t recoup it for 20 years! Friends installed solar and installed an inverter to sell the electricity back to the grid, on their own money, and a year later the company said they won’t buy surplus electricity anymore. Now this inverter is literally sitting there in their home doing nothing.

If you rent, obviously your landlord doesn’t care about putting your money into solar, A/C, or a heat pump. It’s not their home, they don’t care. They don’t live in it when it gets to 33C in the bedroom.

We block chinese EVs because our companies (read: US companies that we personally identify with) can’t compete. We keep stressing, at the national level, how important it is to install solar and go green and stop fossil fuels, and then do fucking none of that.

Meanwhile energy costs keep rising, and instead of taking off some of the pressure from the homes and families that have to pay the price, we send that money to “Israel” to literally pollute Gaza as policy, to render it uninhabitable. The US army remains the biggest fucking polluter on the planet. CEOs go to their meetings in a private jet. But don’t forget to use paper straws to offset it! And would you like to contribute 2 euros to carbon credits with your order?

Energy costs are supposed to rise though, that’s the point. Fucking 30 cents for your kilowatt-hour. This is a mechanism to force people to consume less electricity. Don’t need to upgrade the grid if people stop using power taps temple. That’s our policy - price you out of using electricity so we can then say we are carbon neutral. Greens cheer for this. Mission accomplished.

Then because we don’t produce electricity to meet demand, we just import German coal energy instead of producing local green electricity. Look it up, if you live anywhere close to Germany (or not), you probably buy from there.

Don’t forget to sort your cardboard from your paper though you fucking neanderthal. I hope you feel ashamed that you threw the lid of the yoghurt cup away in the general bin instead of sorting it. If we all did it (which we have never done in the history of ever), then that would solve the problem! Meanwhile USians sleep with the A/C turned to freezing temps to the point they have to use a blanket. Yeah, that’s gonna put a dent in the CO2.

There is very little industry left in Europe, Germany and France seem to be the only ones left - and France is really not an example lol, but at least they took ~some steps to retain some of that. So we produce nothing, we just consume, and then somehow gaslight ourselves into thinking that’s sound economic policy.

It’s not just the individual ‘comfort’ (a euphemism to say “die in a ditch peasant, BP needs its profits”). Public services are getting shittier every year, and they have been getting worse for the past 15 years, ever since I started keeping track of it. A huge part of it is privatization efforts that happen slowly, over time.

And then we wonder why people turn to the right such as Reform in the UK or Rassemblement National in France.

These people are demagogues. They are opportunists of the highest order, who will say whatever then do the opposite with no shame.

But they’re winning the public over. Why? Because they don’t admonish the masses for wanting ‘comfort’ in unlivable conditions. Yes, the truth is that people such as Farage or Le Pen have a material incentive to deny climate change due to their ties to the bourgeoisie, and they have decided that the best way to swallow the pill is class collaborationism - it’s okay that BP gets to commit an oil spill in your water, because YOU get to do it too :)

But if the best we can offer is a resounding “maybe you should just die, the climate is more important than your life” – then don’t get surprised when that doesn’t resonate and people start moving to the right.

Basically the people that need to hear this criticism are not the same people that are on the receiving end of it.

The extent of the left’s energy policy is ‘idk i guess we degrow?’. They have plans on the economy and ‘stimulus packages’, but that’s all they offer. Seriously, look it up. Chances are they don’t say anything about disability. Energy is barely a paragraph in my party programme (it’s not really ‘my’ party anymore, but it’s still one I keep an eye on and somewhat identify with, from a distance). They still promote abandoning nuclear and somehow finding a magical way to abandon fossil fuels by 2050. The reason they don’t detail a plan to transition out of fossil fuels is because they expect the government in power will have to do it. It’s not unheard of. But it doesn’t inspire confidence either. First because you trust those successive governments to do it properly, second because… you’re not offering anything. And you want some magical solution that doesn’t use nuclear lol okay. And you don’t mention stopping tariffs on China so we can get their green know-how and goods. Don’t forget to vote for us tho! We have solutions (alleged)!

and the programme has no solution to the climate change that we are experiencing. what little they have on the climate is “capitalism won’t solve climate change”. Yes, that’s true. But you’re still just ignoring the problems that climate change is causing right here and now, and you offer nothing to face it. I feel like something simple like “hospitals and care homes are allowed to run whatever AC they want and consume as much water as they need or people will die” is a start. Just throwing that out there.

Socialism is not pauperism. And yet, that’s the state of the ‘radical left’ in europe. I call this the cult of mediocrity, personally. The idea that ‘proper’ socialism comes at a cost. That anything that is all good, no drawbacks, is somehow suspicious or undesirable. Oh, there will be issues in socialism, including labor and social ones. But they’re too far for us to imagine, living under capitalism, so we promote some Mother Theresa shit.

Get your head out of the gutter and start building real socialism, not just band-aid solutions that make some hippies think they’re doing something.

And I’m not even going into the pea-sized brain defense ‘policies’ of this shithole continent. Such as continuing to buy US defense systems that have been proven completely unable to stop new tactics as seen by Hezbollah and Iran, or NATO still refusing to entertain drone warfare as a reality. We send money and weapons to Ukraine and then the average citizen gets told to ‘toughen up’ for the fucking nazis in ukraine.

Switzerland bought the brand new F-36 planes for billions. You know, the one that doubles as a submersible when it feels like it. Years later, they’re still waiting for them. You can’t even repair some of the components yourself if you purchase US defense, you have to fly in a US tech. Then, Switzerland also decided this was the perfect business partner to buy a Patriot missile system from for… reasons, I guess? Guess what - they’re still waiting on it because apparently Ukraine and “Israel” need them more. You know, the Patriot system that was shown it can’t do anything against drones which are being used right now in Ukraine. But it’s vitally important that they raise taxes more (VAT specifically) to fund these things that they still haven’t received. that’s a reliable business decision apparently.

Again, the fucking far-right has a distance on us there. While we split parties over who to support in the war (true story), they just come out and say “we should focus on our own people [a euphemism to mean crackers of course], let ukraine fight its own battle”. Again, they’re demagogues. They don’t care, and they don’t believe it. They will give this money to Ford or Bayer. But they offer a plausible-sounding solution. There is 0 confidence in someone that says “I can’t explain it to you, you wouldn’t understand. But Ukraine needs all our weapons and money. No we didn’t consult you, we knew you’d understand haha. Just hand over your wallet and stop making a fuss”.

You know what they’re saying over in France? I saw the story just this morning. The RN wants subsidies so people can install A/C during this major heatwave. The left is still divided over whether it’s “necessary” or not to have AC. A unit is over 1000€, and installation costs are easily 2000€. The rest of the world has already made this choice lol; everyone in East Asia has A/C.

It’s no surprise only socialist countries actually reach their climate targets, and consistently.

Frankly I worry for this continent. In 20 years time we’ll be back to the fucking stone age if this keeps going, and I’m not sure what it’s gonna look like then. We’ll die in 50C weather for “Israel” or something. It’s like they want us to all fucking die.

There might be unfinished sentences in here lol. that’s the best I can do.

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    It’s honestly been super weird to watch this unfold. I just can’t see any rational end game here, like are they really this out of touch with reality or just don’t give a fuck at this point. All the while, it increasingly looks like they’re trying to drag Europe into a direct war with Russia too. But if they really think they can take on Russia, do they not understand they need energy and industry to fight this war? Like what the fuck is going on even.

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    I am in northern Europe and we have it really warm but it is still somewhat doable without AC. I was in Spain for 2 weeks just now and would not have survived if the hotels and shops didn’t have AC, so it seems to be a thing in Spain at least. My work (regions largest hospital) is fully climate controlled, always cool and nice.

    I think the effects of this will rapidly accelerate the European decline but noone seems to talk about it or understand this… We do not produce enough energy to keep whatever little industrial base we have left running, and the productivity of this industrial base will be further diminished by the extreme weather events. My guess is that when it leads to larger impacts on agriculture in southern Euope the circus really will start.

    I debate, discuss and talk to my coursemates at University etc and noone thinks about this or even bats an eye. It is like I am living in an opposite world, and then I go to the local (trot) org and they spend hours talking about the ebil see see pee and how Putin is the reinkarnation of Stalins big spoon instead - just insane stuff.

    And dont get me started on the military bs, well at least I am happy that allying with the US is a additional deadsend of accelerated austerity and degradation of the MIC base.

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      Yep, and then when you propose opening nuclear plants people scream that it’s not safe… I live in possibly one of the safest places to put a nuclear plant, if past issues are an indication. Meanwhile that coal pollution doesn’t magically get funneled to space!

      Instead, the decision was to shame people into consuming less electricity - dont have to make more electricity if you convince people to live like peasants. I looked at the numbers…if everyone lowered their consumption by 20%, which is huge, you would only reduce total consumption by 6%. That’s nothing. Its also once again our responsibility as consumers to investigate and look at our footprint but like, how am I supposed to know how much electricity my oven needs? How do I know how much power my computer consumes? Why is it our job and not appliances makers, who make these machines and know exactly how they fare.

      I think the one good idea the EU had was the power rating sticker on appliances lol, pushed companies to make more energy efficient products over time.

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        I am not sold on nuclear in EU…

        France has had the capabilities to do it with blood-uranium from former colonies and also built up proper logistical lines to produce them at scale. This requires multi-year state-lead investments, organizing and backing - judging by how it looks in my country, this is not happening. My government are happy to throw a lot of money at their friends who all suddenly have companies building modular reactors and bla bla bla. A lot of talk about how the “free-market” will build and solve the energy crisis. So in the case of my country, I would not stand on the side of those who want nuclear at the moment.

        If someone actually proposed a plan that isn’t just pissing away money on short-term projects then maybe I’ll consider it, but capitalist liberal-democracy isn’t good at things like this.

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          I don’t think we can see it as a wholly ideological issue. People need power, and solar, nuclear, wind etc work regardless of the system that builds them. If Europe accepted Chinese solar at Chinese prices, it would also find a way to enrich its bourgeoisie with it - in fact, we will obviously only start seeing chinese solar appear if the EU bourgeoisie finds a way to make it profitable for themselves. At best, we can look for places where the contradictions sharpen, by which I mean where the limitations and failures of the system are exposed.

          In general though I am on the side of ‘an imperfect solution is better than no solution at all, while we find the perfect solution’. I find that Europeans especially, but maybe all Westerners, seem to have a view that it’s all or nothing - either perfect solution with no drawbacks, or nothing. But we still need power, and in capitalism it’s going to be produced by the market. But as you also pointed out, countries such as France were able to build nuclear before - as for uranium, they can get it elsewhere that doesn’t require a colony, and installing solar is not exempt of exploitation either. In the 60s and 70s, much of Europe built nuclear plants, so it’s possible to build them safely. Except when Germany decides that they need to find an alternative source of power to replace the 35% nuclear produces in only 5 years time… absolute kino.

          I come back to what I said about the contradictions sharpening… expose the limits of the system, the answers it doesn’t have. The left refusing nuclear out of ideological principles (such as my local ‘communist’ party, don’t laugh) is not exposing those contradictions, I find that they are in fact conceding to the liberal state that some things are simply impossible for us to solve. At the very least we should have had all buildings in europe retrofitted with cheap solar by now, if we’d started 20 years ago.

          A good energy mix is actually using all sorts of production and storage methods to build a resilient grid, but I don’t think Europe will ever be able to do that under capitalism lol. Only China does it.

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    In the factory my dad is working people keep fainting because it is like 40 degrees celcius with no AC and the newly bought fans need to be checked first and what do you know the single dude assigned to the task is in the company’s failing Mexico plant for like another month.

    The company made like 30 million extra profit this year, btw.

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      We’re still treating these events as if they’re one-offs, once-in-a-lifetime thing, when it turns out every year it gets worse. The official recommendations are still “open the windows during the night and close them in the day” but what for? It doesn’t get any cooler at night lmao. My room is constantly between 29 and 33C, telling me to open the windows and ‘seek shade’ as per the official recommendations is not going to solve this problem! Completely out of touch with reality. Then when the right comes up and says “hey we’ll let you run the A/C as long as you want :)” of course people rush to their side! Politics are a little bit more complicated than “its hot and im clammy” of course lol but it factors in.

      it’s a very double-dealing type of handling it, because on the one hand we recognize climate change officially, but on the other when it comes to dealing with its repercussions right now, we pretend nothing is out of the ordinary.

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    Install a swamp cooler. Everyone in Iran uses them. They use a fraction of the power, the government can’t suck your dick about it, and they’re based on the same principle as the ancient coolers we used hundreds of years ago. On the downside they need ~500 litres of water per day evaporated into your home (i.e. wasted).

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    I thought the EU was a huge market for chinese solar? I didn’t know there were any restrictions, at least as of a few years ago.

    That’s the main hope, that the PRC can keep backdoor-ing solar into the EU, lowering energy prices by providing a cheaper alternative, and force domestic power companies to either innovate and lower their prices, or die, and face the political backlash of a power grid that can’t compete with panels and batteries you can buy for yourself.

    The main culprit is the US, and hopefully as its power wanes, there will arise parties hostile to it, that don’t think the main purpose of government is to funnel money to Israel and Ukraine, and also that want to embrace better energy policies. Honestly tho, I think it’ll be slower than the rest of the world to adopt green energy. Asia, Africa, and Latin America will soon lap the US and EU, and it’ll be their turn to play catch-up.

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      more and more we ‘try’ to move away from China for anything. I remember some years back “we” (meaning some EU countries) were set to contract Huawei to install 5G towers, and then Marco Rubio cried a little bit in the EU Parliament over a webcam feed and suddenly parliament decided to ditch huawei and get oracle or some other US tech company to do it. just has to snap his fingers and we obey.

      Europe considers that China is ‘dumping’ its solar panels. That’s the old word for ‘overcapacity’ lol. So there are import duties and fees up to ~70% of the panel prices. I found data going back to 2013 but I remember hearing about it already in the 2000s.

      There are subsidies most everywhere, not just specific to Europe, to install solar but it’s almost nothing compared to the entire cost. Installation costs are the big expense, and I’ve had neighbors install solar panels - it’s literally 1 day of work for 2 people lol. I still wouldn’t do it myself under any circumstances, but you can see how even as prices drop down, they still find ways to charge you for it.

      Oh yeah and my neighbors who installed solar told me they can’t sell back to the grid anymore. I didn’t look deeper into it but I believe them. They paid ~2000$ for the equipment to sell back, 1 year later it became useless.

      But remember, we have to somehow be carbon neutral by 2050 lol.

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      If you live in older buildings they usually don’t have AC, aren’t capable of having it or are considered “protected” since they are so old you can’t install anything on the outside. It’s dumb tbh.

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      yep, in some places. in others they are freely installable but generally out of the price range for anyone - unless you get a cheaper, but very inefficient portable mono unit. sometimes there are restrictions if your building is ‘protected’.

      not surprisingly, waiting times for portable units are around 5 weeks or more for delivery currently. I’m sure it’s not just Europe and people are buying them the world over in summer hence the shortages.

      We’ve been having ‘tropical nights’ for the past 2 weeks lol. It should stop on Monday or Tuesday finally. That’s when the temperatures exceed 30C at the highest range and don’t go below 20C at the lowest. Prior to that it was 1 week of ~35C weather during the day.

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    By the way, here’s a fun story illustrating the European elites’ “AC for me but not for thee” attitude:

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    Great rant. I feel the same way about the energy situation. I would also add that Germany is rapidly deindustrializing right now, which also has to do with it’s disastrous energy policies. Funnily enough it might be Eastern Europe – Poland, Hungary, Romania, and so on – that have among the more sane policies on energy and industry in the EU, and only because they have been built up as front line states against Russia by Washington and Brussels.

    I’m less bothered about the military situation than you are. If Europe had a competent military we’d only use it for evil anyway. It’s better that it’s as dysfunctional as possible, that we get scammed and sold things that don’t work and that the procurement takes ten times longer than it’s supposed to and goes over budget, and the military industry is a black hole of corruption. That way if the warmongers in Europe ever do get us into a war we lose it fast and decisively. Demilitarize the collective West.

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    Sounds miserable.

    It’s like they want us to all fucking die.

    Over in Yankeeville (the US), I get a similar impression, even if not over the same exact issues. I guess this is what happens when institutions are geared toward exporting dehumanization for decades on end (centuries if you count all the colonialism). Eventually it comes home.

    I wonder what would happen if European leadership tried to stop being vassals to the US and start benefiting from trade with China and Russia instead. Would the US assassinate the opposition? Or are they too blinded by the short-term benefit of imperialism and the BS of western (white) supremacy to even consider opposing the US?

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      They can’t, elites have been groomed since the cold war and their base of power is disconnected from Europe itself.

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        and their base of power is disconnected from Europe itself.

        Curious about this part, do you mean insofar as they are dependent on US military power? Or something else?

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          More than that - financially, intellegence service-wise and as you already military power.

          The North Korean leadership don’t have somewhere to run or retire to, the europeans do.

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      Or are they too blinded by the short-term benefit of imperialism and the BS of western (white) supremacy to even consider opposing the US?

      That’s basically it.