Everything is just a grift now so not surprising
Capitalism reduces everything to transactional relationships
I’m gonna pay you $100 to fuck off.
Read that in Ricky’s voice
Smokes let’s go.
I’ve never even seen the show and I read it in his voice
uuuuuur-fuck off a-already, morty.
Sold!
Eh, I’m gonna play the devil’s advocate here but when I thought about it, I’d say it’s more like a human nature or common sense. I can imagine a person who feels excited by posting spicy pictures online in 2011 and then realizing “You mean people are willing to pay for this shit?”
willing to pay for this
Capitalism. You shouldn’t strive to profit off doing things you enjoy. The profit motive IS the problem.
People selling their labour is an aspect of capitalism, but in that situation, you’re not the capitalist.
You shouldn’t strive to profit off doing things you enjoy
Sounds like a win-win to me
Only if you’re lucky. I loved programming. Used to do it all the time. Got a job doing it, and it’s just exhausting now. So much gets caught up in the process: money to survive, meeting other people’s deadlines and goals, etc. It kills the enjoyment.
Would you rather have a hobby, or food and shelter? Having a love of programming made you good at programming. But programming is a means to an end. It’s enjoyable, but if you don’t produce anything, you’re just masturbating. Once you are good at it, you don’t have to enjoy anymore.
Of course, you’d rather have food or shelter. And why would you not have food and shelter? Oh, because society deems that if you don’t work, you don’t live.
And don’t knock masturbating. It’s a lot of fun. So is programming with no real goal. Sometimes you enjoy the journey, not the destination.
Or maybe you shouldnt be telling people how to live their lives? Even fans of communism have dictatorial tendencies.
Advice isn’t the force of law. Don’t be silly. There’s plenty of reasons to hate communism that don’t require you to be silly.
Even fans of communism have dictatorial tendencies.
These phonies just think if they cosplay commie they can become the dear daddy of these stupid peasants and lead into a revolution…
A certain type of person
I’m just not ready to start charging milfs for banging them…
They said “if you’re good”.
That’s fair. “Incredible” is on a different level…
Really in that case you’re doing charity
That’s not common sense. That’s greed.
That’s why I only consume commie porn.
Remember, it’s our porn, Comrade.
This is more a side effect of having to monitize your hobbies to afford to live
Honest work don’t buy anymore and even if it does pay, then prices on everything are still too high for “middle” existence.
I heard there was a time in western world when a shoe sales person could house and feed a family on one income though.
Some how the country is richer today but you can barely make it on two mid grade incomes.
Call me old fashioned but I really miss being a hoe (respectfully) for the sake of it. Then again I hate transactional relationships so OF and the like is a total mood killer.
On the other hand sex work is work so by all means get what you need to get by / thrive.
Word, get that bag… but I ain’t about it
By all means, we have nsfw lemmy and gonewild without OF ads. Knock yourself out.
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If I was on Reddit, I would have said Rip DM.
Completely agree! The entire adult content platform has become nothing more than a monetization machine for platforms like OnlyFans. GoneWild was once about people expressing themselves and sharing their art without the pressure of making a quick buck. Now it’s all about selling subscriptions and getting clicks. The whole industry has been ruined by commercial interests prioritizing profit over passion and community. Same thing with Patreon, where creators are expected to churn out content just to keep their fans engaged rather than doing what they actually love. And don’t even get me started on the algorithm-driven news feeds that suck the soul out of social media. Commercialization has absolutely destroyed the integrity and creativity of online platforms. We’re losing the very things that made them worth using in the first place.
This is completely incoherent. An “industry” does not have the ability to ruin people’s free expression.
Anyone who wants to create something for other people, without asking for anything in return, is still free to do so. And I assume they are (at least, they are in niche communities - I don’t know of a gonewild equivalent but I know of people who make games for fun and they’re not hard to find, either).
It’s sad that so many people have taken a cheap payout in the most crass possible way, but all that means is that you need to look harder for the content you want.
An “industry” does not have the ability to ruin people’s free expression.
It does, by creating perverse incentives and the commercialized speech crowds out anything else. I mean, look at the topic… go check out GoneWild and tell me what you think…
It does though because it floods the medium with content from people just looking to make money. And it happens everywhere. When ebay started it was an online garage sale, now it’s mostly businesses. Etsy used to be a place where creative types sold their crafts, now its flooded with dropshipped tat from Ali Baba. YouTube used to be random people uploading stuff for fun and expression, now it’s mostly about sponsorship money. Twitter used to be a novel way for people to briefly express their thoughts, now its a fascist propaganda machine.
I’ve been a member on a website that’s quite well known in my country for over 15 years. It’s like adult Facebook where people post nudes and it’s all free.
Recently however people have more and more started using it for advertising their OF and what I find funny/interesting is how I can tell most of these profiles simply by looking at their pictures as they always have this certain “onlyfans look” to them.
I’ve never used OF myself but the feeling I get from these profiles is that it’s way too obvious that they’re doing it for the money. There’s a completely different vibe to someone’s profile who just wants to show off because it’s exciting to them.
Alastonsuomi?
Yes
If there’s a pink stick coming out, its 100% onlyfans.
That fucking pink stick has ruined so many otherwise good videos.
For me, the first telltale sign is showing face. The second is the colorful background.
Explain more, what is this pink stick? I’m out of the loop.
It’s a reference to a specific Internet connected adult toy called a lush3. Cam Girls and only fans people connect them to their chats so the fans can control how much it vibrates. Since it’s Wi-Fi connected it has a tail that sticks out to improve the connection.
To add to that, most of the time cam girls don’t even turn the thing on, and do an incredibly over exaggerated reaction to the sound the chat makes when someone gives a tip, and videos of this get posted unironically to any nsfw forum/board/sub/community, as if it is high quality enjoyable content.
Fish gotta swim, birds gotta eat
Tiger got to hunt
Bird got to fly
Man got to ask himself “why, why, why”
Tiger got to sleep
Bird got to land
Man got to tell himself he understand
90% are sex workers but you’re right. Mods should ban any account that has external links meant to sell something. Gonewild was about having fun and now it went to shit like reddit.
Edit: Same thing for amateur communities. I report them as spam, it’s annoying.
There is amateur content on lemmy? :-)
Go into settings turn on NSFW content…
I don’t how “amatuer” it really is but is too much of distraction when I all I want to do is browse Linux subs
Some of it is a little too much, browsing all. I think I once saw an account with a dude and a very ugly sex doll.
Mods should ban any account that has external links meant to sell something
There is r/nofans
Clearly there needs to be a market place that works better than filling up other socials. It would take very progressive movement to pull sex work out of dark places where sketchy people go and just give a place that sellers and buyers can find and connect easily, safely and that prevents users and abusers from corrupting it.
that won’t happen as long as it’s seen as something unholy, sinful, bad, shameful.
But that’s a much harder sell in an environment where orange clown has as much support and unbridled hate for humanity itself
Enshittification has ruined everything.
EnshittificationCapitalism has ruined everything.FTFY
Enshittification is a particular outcome of a particular stage of capitalism.
So, you’re “correcting” someone without them being wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Every transaction requires 5 different parasites to feed on… It is for your own good.
The worst part about browsing GW back then was how hard it was to get the onion off your belt.
But those were the days…
It was the style at the time
Yeah, I’m echoing the sentiment.
I ain’t mad at anyone making money as best they can in the system we’re stuck in.
But it shouldn’t be everywhere. Some communities/subs are about people just sharing that they feel like, no ulterior motives at all. If that’s not what you’re doing, you shouldn’t be there
it’s supply/demand. there’s much more cameras and people online than 10-20 years ago, so the supply is plenty. people paying for this content is much more mysterious to me. why would I ever do that?!
Paying, in the exact context of this topic, is to feign a legitimate connection with the performer. Whether you know it’s fake or not, direct interaction feels better. General examples of meaningless connections could be a celebrity answering your AMA question, could be a food company acknowledging your complaint, could be a car company noting your taste, could be a vibrator in a OF performer’s pussy matching the cadence of your tokens, could be a stripper listening to you cry in the vip booth. We are humans and we have silly feelings getting in the way of logic.
For the broader porn topic, paying is something you might do for appreciation of the content from particular sources or to maximize access to content not readily available by torrent. Or for addiction to novelty. I’ve thought about it because the hub/tube sites have shitty search algorithms that don’t do 100% keyword inclusion while pushing trending uploads that are either 90 second OF/cam teasers or overly abusive scenes.
yup, that’s my point. we judge the suppliers but the supply side’s motivations are much more straightforward than that of those on the demand side.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
However, to respond to it as a separate subject, there’s plenty of reasons to pay for content.
The primary one is ethics. When you’re paying for content via an intermediary site, you can improve two things. First, that the person is of age legally. There’s ways around it, but the people that would typically bypass that would also be less likely to be using an intermediary site like onlyfans, they’ll be elsewhere.
Second, consent. Again, while it isn’t a perfect guarantee, and there are cases of models being pressured or even forced into doing it, it isn’t the majority.
So, by paying up, you have a much better chance of enjoying your content without concern about the two biggest horrors of pornography.
Then, you run into quality and specificity.
While still not a guarantee, onlyfans models are well aware that they have to produce material that is clear and easy to enjoy, so there’s less selfies in dirty mirrors, or pics taken on fifteen year old crappy cameras. Onlyfans is also fairly well known for models that can and will do customized content since they’re getting paid.
So, by paying, you have the highest chance of getting materials that are going to not only be what you want, but can be enjoyed for a very long time because technology is good enough that even mid tier phones produce images that can be zoomed in to one’s heart’s content.
You can’t neglect the pride factor either. Some folks have this idea that paying for it means they’re better than people that don’t. It’s a dumb idea, but the are people that think that way
I can keep going, but I doubt that’s useful for you.
The point of all that is to break down the mystery of it for you, not to convince you to pay for anything. I don’t know what your motivations are when looking at erotic content; nor what your beliefs are regarding it other than being dubious about paying for it.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying free content at all. To the contrary, I think it’s a wonderful thing that there are places where people that enjoy showing their bodies can do so without any of the hassles and encumbrances that come with doing it for money. I think it’s a beautiful thing that there’s people willing to share their bodies visually, period. I dislike porn, but the beauty and variety of the human form is amazing, and when it’s celebrated, it makes me happy
And you can definitely use forums that do “gone wild” content in the way that the original post is about, where it’s just users sharing their bodies with no problem at all. That’s what they’re there for. But it does have drawbacks.
And that’s an outstanding explanation to why the OF supply infiltrated GW sites (and generally good points on the consent aspect). The net non-pro content remains more abundant than it was a decade or two ago, so it’s not like there was a net loss, it’s just the commercialization “tainted” some people’s “fun.”
Also, the more people pay for it the more infiltration of content promotion you’ll see into communities that are supposed to revolve around pure exhibitionism and “altruism”.
Tag for users that link to OF or not perhaps?
Eh, that’s more of a decision for the community as a whole, and I don’t use the community.
But, I still think it defeats the purpose.
Fair point. Overall I would be pretty indifferent toward it
now it’s just flashing genatils not even a face is attached to the body
not even a face is attached to the body
Posting pictures of your face on clear net is stupid in 2025.
how is it different than walking around with your face uncovered in 2025
genitals are simultaneously visible. hope this helps.
fidelity of the data and certainty in identification of the subject
Care to elaborate? I’m not seeing whatever it is I’m meant to see that says it’s meaningfully different.
you suggested that walking in the public street is the same as uploading photo into clear net…
i clarified that 1) quality of upload will be higher and 2) ID ability of current system is spotty
by uploading photos on faceberg you are training the current spotty systtem for ID into a better ID system.
TLDR. uploading high quality photos into social media under your name is not the same as walking down the street while having surveillance cameras take pictures of you.
I think they mean: how is you looking at my naked body and face MY problem?
What are the concrete risks that you are afraid of happening as a result of these technical differences? I understand that they are not LITERALLY the same thing. I don’t see how the risk profile is significantly different.
Uploading an image of your face to the internet is a less specific action than uploading an image of your face to Facebook. But in the latter case (kind of moving the goal posts, but we can still discuss it), the horse is already out of the barn! You’ve already surrendered your actual social network, your interests, the most intimate things about yourself to Facebook, if only by your browsing habits. It seems dumb to worry about having images on Facebook, WHILE BEING AN ACTIVE USER OF FACEBOOK. Surely the latter is far worse.
I would advocate that no one use Facebook for anything. And not sweat it if their face appears on the Internet.
I believe their point is that surveillance systems that are used to identify people are being trained on social media images and they don’t want those systems to be better. The point is not personal risk, but systemic/societal risk
It’s called GoneWild not Omegle to hide your face and flash your junk
It was always that, partially because people didn’t want their livelihood affected by having nudes on the Internet. With the rise of an option where having nudes on the Internet can be their livelihood, there’s more faces in those pictures.
The better option would be for people to feel free to express themselves this way without worrying about their livelihood.
As someone who likes sex and to some degree exhibitionism:
Any amount of sex liking/photos of yourself online will bar you from certain jobs. I have a rather traumatic history of sex work - even the fact that I did it to survive is something that tars me. Doing things consensually and willingly is even worse.
The trade off for some is going to be financial. If having videos of yourself online could potentially ruin any change of a normal life - there needs to be something that secures some safety in return.
Being promiscuous is considered a character flaw. If you are frequently willing - the times where you are not have zero chance of being tried fairly in the court of public opinion.
The Madonna/whore complex fucks everyone over. Having lots of sex is fun, we’ve just come up with this dickish social rule system where enjoying receptive sex is a strongly ingrained societal “no no.”
Actually, when GW was formed, one of the rules was that you HAD to include your face. Different times though, I’m glad that obviously isn’t the case now.
There’s a reason the original reddit community banned sales pitches, and took themselves off /r/all.
People making content for NSFW subreddits makes sense to me now that there’s good money to be made.
I didn’t really understand the motivation before when so many people made regular content for internet strangers for nothing. Especially when so many of the comments are so sleazy and rapey.
It wasn’t for nothing. It was to get off on it. Which made it more attractive than those doing it for money.
Right? We weren’t pretending to be horny just to get paid, we actually were depraved people getting horny for each other.
It was a simpler time back then…
Exhibitionism. It’s hot and fun when people get to see you be sexual
If you don’t understand it, then that probably just means you’re not into exhibitionism, but many people (including myself) are
It was for horni. Never underestimate the power of horni.
I’m one of the people still posting quite high cuality content of myself online for completely free (I’m a guy) I do it because I’m exhibitionist. I like being seen in minimal clothing in public as well, this is just a variation of that.
You need the right playground, and too many of them are become market places
It’s just hit me. Reddit is gonna start putting stuff behind a paywall, this will 100% be porn and OC creators might get paid, OF style, cause so many “advertise” on Reddit…why not cut out the middle man? Or I’m bonkers.
Meh. I see both?
I would prefer it that way if it meant they were all professional and ensure proper age vetting, but it seems like even that is lost.
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The issue that where you could once go and see people that did it just because they wanted to its now mixed in with / overpowered by by people that want to make money.
No one is arguing anyone is entitled to anyone else’s naked body. But I don’t think there is anything wrong with having a preference for wanting to see people who are naked because they want to be, and not because they want to earn money.
Not to mention all the evil / sexual exploitation that comes up once money is in the equation.
The OP didn’t complain so wtf are you on about? Calm your tits it’s an observation.
Found the american!
This might shock you, but everything isn’t about money.
