So we agree to:
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give them $1000 for every man woman and child in the US
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pull our military out of the Middle East
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let them sponsor terrorism across the region
And in return, they agree to start negotiations
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Are you tired of all this winning yet?
sponsor terrorism across the region
That seems highly subjective; and given whom America supports, Iran my not seem like the worst sponsor in the region.
Isreal is the modern terrorist organization, and they are hurting the whole world.
That being said Hamas sucks too.
Yeah, man. You know that kid who threw the rock at his lifelong bully and torturer? ThEy’Re ThE SaMe kInD Of bAd.
More like threw rocks at the bully’s little sister while she was at a concert and had nothing to do with the bully’s actions. Nothing wrong with resistance, but targets matter and in this case Hamas chose poorly and lost the optics advantage they could’ve had on the international stage. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Hamas didn’t choose poorly per se; they didn’t even know about the festival and the other places they attacked did have IDF bases that seemed to be the main targets. Now that doesn’t excuse the atrocities committed during October 7th, but save for the hostage taking there’s no evidence any of them were planned by Hamas leadership. Their real sin here is allowing these atrocities to happen and not cracking down on them before or after the fact. At the risk of repeating myself, October 7th did include plenty of war crimes, but it was more targeted than people give it credit for. To run with your analogy, it’s like going to throwing rocks at the bully and also tossing some at their little sister because she happened to be there.
Its more like grabbing the little sister because the Bully has your dad, uncle and brother captive in what used to be your basement. So you take her as a bargaining chip up to the treehouse all the while the bully is indiscriminately pelting you with rocks. Hitting you and his own sister multiple times, while actively trying to collapse the treehouse holding you and his sister.
Its more like grabbing the little sister because the Bully has your dad, uncle and brother captive in what used to be your basement.
Those are the hostages; I was referring to the other stuff (you know, the rapes and massacres and all that). A lot of what Hamas did on October 7th was pointless and unjustifiable and a lot was legitimate resistance against a colonial oppressor; there’s no reason to ignore one part for the other.
Nuance
Yet Israel also funds Hamas.
See? It sucks
watches the united states carpetbomb a country for no fuckin’ reason
“let them sponsor terrorism”
man, americans can’t see themselves, can they
Well sew that was last week. We haven’t been terrorists in ages. Promise.
Both those things are true, this isn’t some gotcha
They always know better. Trump will MAGA, you’ll see. When he dies or gets jailed.
Average american
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let them sponsor terrorism
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America is a terrorist state. Screaming freedom all the time doesn’t change the truth.
Does it change anything about the comment you are replying to?
Hangars sitting dripped in oil, crying “Freedom!”
let them sponsor terrorism
???
Who were the terrorists in this exchange again?
Woah, woah… schoolgirls are totally justified military targets
/s
ESH
Because Iran has never supported terrorism?
Can you all stop fucking treating sides in world conflicts like they are your favorite football teams?
Doing the Micheal Brown “He was no Angel” bit to justify bombing elementary schools and hospitals.
Everyone?
I don’t remember Iran sponsoring any terrorism in the region
I do remember the US and Israel sponsoring and being sponsored to be terrorists in the region and outside the region
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So the agreement could be simpler… It basically says the US (and allies) stop breaking internationallaw, and pay Iran a fuckload of money to rebuild all the stuff they blew up while breaking international law. Iran must agree to continue to abide by the lawful agreements that were in place before the pointless and illegal US military assault.
Magastan win, amirite? Gosh what a load of morons. But if anything is needed as proof that Magastan doesn’t have a monopoly on morons, just look at people from abroad still travelling there…
Magastan win, amirite?
They got to kill tens of thousands of Muslims and made us pay for it
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Imo, paying for reconstruction is the moral thing to do when there is no rational basis for a war. I have no idea whether $300b is the right amount.
The highest estimated cost by the OBM for universal healthcare in the US is $290B.
Just gonna leave that here.
and it can be taken out of the overbloated defense budget too, and they still have more than enough for thier big guns and toys.
So less then what we pay now? Or am I reading this wrong.
Yeah, it objectively has to be far, far less. Tax payers directly funding health providers would destroy a great amount of the demand for such a massive private health insurance industry, which is why we pay so much in the first place.
You are correct, even the absolute highest estimates for universal healthcare are still notably lower than what we pay now. The real number would be drastically lower though.
Some estimates by the OBM actually saved taxpayers money.
That would be an expected consequence.
We have a dizzying maze of providers, insurance, and regulations that produce a horrible bureaucracy that puts any tangled mess the government comes up to shame, inefficiencies everywhere.
Universal healthcare is just such a simpler system that it’s hard to make it worse than what’s going on right now.
Estimates have the total destruction of Iranian infrastructure at closer to $1T.
For the war itself hard to say, for the decades of sanctions? It makes complete sense if not undershooting their costs
no rational basis for a war
It’s a gay-hanging dictatorship with a religious doomsday wish looking to get nuclear weapons
Who America?
It’s like the US on steroids
Cause we got Tiny balls?
If that mattered, we’d be going to war with genocidal Pissrael, who has done far worse than anything Iran has even thought of doing.
It was for the oil and at the behest of the Zionazis who own the US government. But you know that.
Israel and all the other allied oil monarchies, BTW.
As a fellow gay, I don’t care. War is war and war is bad. Genocide is bad. How horrible the party you’re opening a war against is doesnt change this.
I’m sure all the gay kids growing up there are feeling warm inside knowing you want them to see them swing in peace
Yeah, I’m sure they’re all just yearning to be carpet bombed by Israel
The important thing is that we associate any local LGBT movement with a foreign government bombing civilian infrastructure. That’s sure to help!
Just so we’re clear, this is what you support
Support?
Your post:
no rational basis for a war
It’s a gay-hanging dictatorship with a religious doomsday wish looking to get nuclear weapons
indicates that you think there was a rational basis for war.
Well I thought that the war against IS had a rational basis as well. Does that make you say that means I ‘support’ all the innocent casualties?
And that’s different from the US how? Right, they already have nuclear weapons.
Israel already has nuclear weapons. But otherwise yeah I agree. Israel is a nasty country.
Translation for the linguistically impaired? 🥺
How biadolfs and mussolesbians think that israeli-american missiles work:
missile labelled “hospitalexploder 9000”: “are you gay?”
person in chador: “no”
Why would you say these things about America?
We should call this what it is: the terms of America’s surrender.
Not really any other way to read it
Full throated US capitulation, abject contrition, and a stack of blood money from here to the moon is the least we could do after we massacred Iranians for months in a fully improving conflict.
Next, we should send Hegseth, Rubio, and every member of the Joint Chiefs who failed to retire to the Hague
More like the cost Trump wanted to pay for the genocide of hundreds of thousands of people.
Ngl, I’ve been rooting for Iran this whole time. I want America to get its ass kicked, it’s not my country anymore, it’s my jailer.
He happily pays the 300b surender money and the even higher costs for refilliing American armories from taxpayers money, knowing well that the Epstein class does not participate in this taxpaying game, anyway.
The bit everyone else seems to be missing. Just like with Iraq and Afghanistan, this war is happening on the backs of working class Americans.
Nobody in TrumpWorld is paying a penny. Quite a few of them are cleaning up on Pentagon contracts.
Estimating this fiasco will cost at least $600B, that sits around $2000 per American. That doesn’t even factor in the indirect costs like increased oil prices, decreased trade, and lost jobs. That lot sure is winning!
That lot sure is winning!
I mean, we’re all in this boat together, whether or not we’ve had a hand in navigating it.
Not only they are not paying attention penny they are literally making money on this 100%
What matters to him is that he personally got richer with all the market manipulation. That’s it.
Good thing he has all these quality years of life left to enjoy that money
That’s why if you noticed he has (somewhat) switched to slapping his name all over stuff. First term it was all advertising and business deals. But now he’s trying to tie himself to the 250th anniversary, put his name all over every bill and building. It’s his son’s that are running all the insider trading deals and background economic tricks.
He’s dying and he knows it so he’s trying to smear his stupid name all over before he goes.
kushner specifically is spearheading the ME fiasco from behind the scenes.
His fuck-trash and grand-fuck-trash will reap the rewards. We need to find away to take it all away from them and put them all away for decades. If not prison, then reeducation work camps. We will never get past this unless, ultimately, nobody ends up profitting from either of Trump’s farcical administrations.
So then Isreal bombs Lebanon.
This is the song that never ends…
Unless Trump never intends on finishing negotiations.
Why stop the market manipulation train now? He can keep this going for another 3 years!
Imagine the world’s second trillionaire got there by corruption alone lol that would be peak America for sure…
Except it would happen on the global stage so its peak humanity.
Yeah I wouldn’t believe anything they promise until they deliver.
Which would fuck everyone else, as usually happens with his decisions. Stupidity can be so expensive for most of us.
he will just fall asleep after binging of various drugs.
Isn’t this about the MOU from a month ago?
Fucking hate tweets with the date cropped out. They’re always trying to peddle BS by doing that
It isn’t like he is going pay with his money.
If you think this is crazy, wait till you find out who was paying for all the bombs we dropped on them
Keep in mind, any deal with Trump isn’t worth the paper it’s written on
America First!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Well done Mr. Trump. /s
Get back to me when the surrender document includes a US declaration of war against Israel.
And israel will adhere to none of it. It’s too bad we don’t invade them, dismantle the state, and free all the illegally detained prisoners of ethnic cleansing. Maybe when more boomers die out.
Why invade them when you could simply “not send money and weapons daily.” They would dismantle anyways.
So what happens when Israel doesn’t stop? Iran could totally flatten Israel if Israel was abandoned by allies and US would never abandon Israel so seems like US will be pulled back in or have to get rid of Netanyahu right? This seems like it’ll never end omg
