Notice how the state of Israel has nothing to say about this?
Nothing to say? The ADL defended Elon!
Yeah, but other than one of the largest Jewish advocacy groups who else is defending him? What would the ADL know about antisemitism anyway?
Yeah… this and other organizations concluded that he didn’t perform a nazi salute… so what’s the deal? Why are so many sources still saying he did nazi salute?
Right after he did that, he said, “My heart goes out to you.” And later denied again.
Why such a smear campaign?
You really have to be fucking brainwashed to believe that shit. HE DID IT TWICE IN A ROW THE EXACT SAME WAY
Not only did he do it twice in a row the same exact way, but he did a Nazi salute in the exact same manner as Adolf Hitler did and modern neo-nazis do. Zero chance that it was a mistake, it was obviously intentional.
No one can tell me that my eyes didn’t see a Nazi salute when they did see it as plain as day.
What’s REALLY fucked up is that people like you are still defending a Nazi salute. You are a Nazi apologist.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyPSKLy5E4&t=120s&pp=ygUZZWxvbiBtdXNrIEhpdGxlciBwcm9ibGVtIA%3D%3D
Just FYI. Also, notice the date. It’s 10 months old and they updated the thumbnail because of how obviously correct they were. Elon Musk was born white and rich in apartheid era south Africa. His family migrated there from Canada after ww2 specifically because the race dynamics at the time. He openly touts blatantly eugenic ideology, fathers 12 children and freezes his sperm because of that ideology. Him doing a nazi salute and making nazi jokes in the aftermath is him just waving his dick around because he knows there’s an army of fucking empty headed dumb fucks that will defend him.
I know what I saw. Not all of us suffer from MAGA brain rot.
Don’t believe your lying eyes people
Many sources are saying he did a nazi salute because, wait for it… He did a nazi salute.
Also, it’s pretty wild that absolutely zero effort has been made “correcting” all the actual card-carrying nazis who celebrate every major action that Musk makes, from restoring their accounts on social media to boosting their memes and messages for years now. There’s clips out there of people with swastika tattoos sieg-heiling recordings of Musk’s “awkward gesture” and they look exactly the same.
Tell us again how we shouldn’t trust our own eyes. I think there was a book somewhere that talked about this. I’d recommend looking into it.
this and other organizations concluded that he didn’t perform a nazi salute
If someone takes a shit in your mouth and tells you it was a birthday cake, will you trust them just because they’re an “organization?” Jesus christ and you people call others “cucks” it drives me batty but you long since abandoned value to intellectual consistency when you started hoisting madmen and wealthy landlords as somehow better than other people.
It’s amazing for a group that says all day long that they’re “free thinkers” there sure are a lot of people with mouths full of shit smiling because they’ve been told it’s birthday cake and they’re such special, good boys.
Because most people learned the fucking lesson that there is ZERO justification. Inexcusable even as a mistake for someone in that position no matter how he got there, and inexcusable to dismiss it.
Because most people learned the fucking lesson that there is ZERO justification.
What “lesson”? So, even if unintentional, any salute even similar to the nazi salute should call for condemnation?
The mainstream media are pushing this hard as hell, just raking Elon over the coals.
So many here have lost the plot
Yes! If it resembles a sieg heil it should be condemned!
That’s because Isreal has been slowly co-opted by xenophobic right wing extramists under the guise of survival.
Always has been. Pre WW2 socialist Jewish currents pretty much all unanimously opposed Zionism.
White nationalists are just the same as white supremacists. If there are Jewish people who think Christian Nationalism will protect them, they’re forgetting that Nazis were and are very Christian.
Authoritarian leaders turn on their own people and supporters all the time, this has been proven time and again in history. Whatever America is now though, there is still hope in the judiciary and the constitution.
they’re forgetting that Nazis were and are very Christian.
They’re forgetting about “Group 13” as well.
The salute is just a symbol of much larger antisemitic moves by Elon. It’s not hard to find neo Nazis posting swastikas and the like on X and many Jewish users have indicated that reporting those images goes nowhere despite them being specifically enumerated as banned in the official terms of use. There’s plenty of evidence out there that Elon is in fact a far right racist if not outright Nazi.
A rich white guy from South Africa might be a nazi? I hardly believe it!
So, a real group of Jewish Leaders rather than a Zionist sockpuppet like the ADL.
In what let’s call the Jewish diaspora there is a strong thread of fascism. The fascists currently (and for some time now) are in control of the israeli government. If the israeli people were not in support of such fascism they are doing a poor job of expressing it. Globally fascism among jews is not universal, probably not even a majority though I have no hard data here. Anecdotally among the Jewish people I know there is one rabidly fascist of the kill all the Palestinians ilk, a few who claim not to support genocide but will get loud and in your face at any criticism of it and many who are disgusted by it and will openly say so. Your mileage may vary.
I think it’s fair to say that when people are facing an existential threat they find it hard to criticize that which protects them. People should just be anti-genocide because leaders cannot be trusted all the time. But what are the chances that the Muslim citizens in Arab countries would protest if a genocide happens to their perceived enemies? Sometimes the best defense people have against authoritarianism is empathy, don’t let something happen to someone else that you don’t want happening to you.
Edit downvotes explain yourself? I am just being brigaded by extremists on every post.
What are the Holocaust Jokes referenced in the title? Didn’t find an explanation in the article.
For context, I’m a German missing out on many news and stories, for sanity reasons. But I’d like to know more about this.
Elon’s response to the world saying they saw a Nazi salute at the presidential inauguration. Not quite an “oops, I didn’t mean it that way”
The fact that 152 thousand people hearted that post is so disheartening.
Elon’s response to the world saying they saw a Nazi salute at the presidential inauguration. Not quite an “oops, I didn’t mean it that way”
Oh, WOW! Glad I asked. Will happily add this to a conversation with a ‘skeptical’ friend.
Honestly, I found some genuinely funny and actually laughed. But I would never share stuff like that in public, if at all, certainly not in a position like Musk, especially not after that salute. Guess he’s testing the waters or normalizing.
Anyways, thanks a lot for the info with screenshot! Once more, reality trumps satire. When asking the question, I thought it might be about some hints here and there requiring interpretation. I did not expect something so blatant.
yeah, I think context really matters here. He also made these jokes on Jan 23, the day that Auschwitz was liberated, and is held as a day of remembrance. He’s got a dog train whistle.
Well they should’ve thought about that before the elections. It’s now unwise to antagonize an all powerful dictator.
Even though his scapegoat isn’t the Jewish people, I don’t think it’s impossible they’d still add you to the list later on.
Nazi salutes. He did it twice.
Hey, at least they called it “Nazi” and not something wishy-washy like “awkward”, “problematic”, or “Elon Musk salute”.
I know a good boycott to the oligarchs
I saw an uwu guilotine picture the other day and now can’t find it, fits pretty well for the “petit ami” aspect.
Fun fact: “petit ami / petite amie” means “boyfriend / girlfriend”
Even more fun fact: the masculine is gender neutral, so it also means just “friend”.
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Could you guys also scrap the ADL? They seem to have jumped the shark in defense of his nazi salute.
They just need to sever the ADL’s ties to Israel. It’s hard for me to believe it’s a NY organization when they parrot Netanyahu’s words and sound nothing like the voices of every Jewish New Yorker I’ve met.
They’re just a mouthpiece of the likud party and have been for a while now.
fuck the ADL. all my homies hate the ADL. SPLC does more to speak on the jewish identity than the ADL. the ADL once served a valuable purpose, but at this point it has been fully captured by radical nationalists who don’t think jews can live alongside anyone else. there’s a word for that, and i can nazi myself remembering what it is
“Us guys” do not universally support the ADL.
Just like we do not universally support Israel.
Can you guys stop deciding what every Jew supports? I’m getting really fucking tired of both telling people that you’re wrong and being told I’m the wrong one back because of my genetics.
You may be a leader and you may be Jewish, but I interpreted that comment to specifically mean the people in power who maintain this connection. That is, “you guys” sounds like an appeal to the Jewish leaders referenced in the article, the US leaders that support the ADL, or both.
I might be wrong, I don’t know OP or what they truly believe. If there is context I’m missing that changes the message, I will stand corrected.
I never suggested I was a leader, but even plenty of Jews in leadership positions of Jewish organizations do not support the ADL. We can start with Jewish Voice for Peace.
I find it very on brand for these guys to simultaneously piss off Jewish people and Palestinians within just a couple weeks.
the thing with israel is that it’s an anti-semitic state. zionism is an anti-semitic stance. also palestinians are also semitic. it’s just… all so dumb
And evangelicals want all the Jews in the world forcibly exiled to Israel because they think that’s the only way Jesus will return.
And those motherfuckers better have zip ties and guns if they expect me to put a molecule of my body across the Israeli border.
Pot, kettle.
Oh look, yet another person who thinks that Jews genetically support genocide in Gaza.
Because it’s really fucking obvious from multiple responses in this thread that saying, “I do not support Israel or its genocide and never have” is not good enough. Not when you have the genocide gene.
But do you condemn hamas?
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What? But Jewish people love being nazis! Just look at Gaza!
White people just can’t help being nazis, just look at hitler!
The majority of Israelis (and all the American Zionists) who approve of the genocide do not speak for the Jewish people
Most of the American Zionists aren’t even Jewish.
Many of them expect to laugh at all the Jews thrown into hell for not accepting Jesus after they’re all forced to return to Israel so that Jesus can return.
Do not fucking speak on my behalf.
do not let the loudest people from a group convince you they represent that group. they don’t.
It would mean more if Israel weren’t actively genociding Palestinians.
Oh look, someone who thinks that “Jew” and “Israeli” are synonyms.
As always, no matter where I live, no matter how much I say I hate Israel, I will always be a foreigner and a Zionist.
Really? You really think that? I know that plenty of Jewish outside of Israel don’t support the current genocide of Palestinians, and I know plenty do.
Good job interpreting @FlyingSquid@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world’s comment the literal exact opposite way of what it meant.
I think you sure as fuck implied it, when you said:
It would mean more if Israel weren’t actively genociding Palestinians.
Why would it mean more unless Jew and Israeli were synonyms?
Are they likewise condemning the genocide?
Y E S
Log the fuck out, go outside, and meet some people. A lot of us grew up raised by holocaust survivors and we have very strong opinions that Israel’s genocide against the people of Palestine is truly and wholly horrible.
Ah, I see, so it isn’t “Jew = Israeli,” it’s “Jew = Pro genocide.” Totally different.
Do you also expect every Muslim to denounce ISIS every time they face bigotry themselves? I bet you don’t.
Da’esh. They surely were, when da’esh was in the news.
You’re evading. I didn’t ask if they were. I asked if you expected it. Do you? Or are only Jews expected to denounce genocide every time they face bigotry in your view?
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What does that have to do with this?
Come now, no need to play stupid.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/allegation-israel-commits-acts-genocide
They didn’t deny the genocide, but asked why that’s relevant. Jewish people are separate from Israel, even though Israel wants to muddy the waters. It’s like blaming all of Christianity for the holocaust because hitler wanted to put a Christian veneer on it.
We blame every Christian for the
crushed, crusades so I hardly see a difference. I painted with words that would have been understood by Christians and he’s in my rl community, forgetting that I’m on a world platform where my meaning may be misunderstood, and I’m sorry for that. We just know each other well here and even though we sometimes disagree, we don’t always take it personally. I need to be more considerate.We do? Speak for yourself. I don’t know anyone who blames a single living Christian for anything that happened hundreds of years ago, mostly because I don’t associate with bigots and that’s a bigoted view, like the ones you’re displaying.
I’m Jewish. I do not support Israel and I never have. The ADL does not speak for me.
But I’m going to guess you’ll call that typical Jewish lies.
Right, it’s not a genocide, they’re simply killing everyone that is living in a specific region. In fact, between the dead there aren’t exclusively Palestinians, but also some aid workers, volunteers from western countries and sometimes even their own kidnapped citizens. So it is not strictly a dictionary definition of genocide, rather a “mass murdering of the population”.
In fact, I don’t see why they’re paying billions to Google to place AI on weapons when the algorithms seems to be like “hospital = target” and “if it moves = target”
they’re simply killing everyone that is living in a specific region
there’s a word for that. it’s called “genocide”
Stop talking rubbish. Israel is actively performing a genocide of Palestinians, other people are just a collateral damage.
They know that, I guarantee it. They just wanted to mention the others who’ve been murdered.
He just literally said it wasn’t a genocide?
It’s sarcasm.
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