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A bunch of bozos.
A slightly different take here as I just had solar put in. This is a protectionist policy to support some local businesses. While the batteries that were installed were Chinese, the inverter was from a German company.
My understanding is that European companies can’t actually deliver in the volumes needed though.
They probably can’t for what would be needed for a true green change over here, but for all the talk of de-industrialization in Europe this would seem like a lukewarm attempt to fix that by forcing out Chinese tech in large contracts as there are local players in the inverter space.
Again I agree that the Chinese tech is better and cheaper and could actually provide what is needed. Just more looking at what the reasons behind this could be. I’d love to see more Europe and China cooperation on things, especially tech. A lot of Europeans seem to not trust it while at the same time trusting US tech.
Yeah, the whole sinophobia is just bizarre given that the US is becoming openly predatory. The whole policy could also just be oligarchs prioritizing their portfolios in US stocks or something.
I really don’t care about local bougies in America though, maybe it’s different for some Europeans but protectionist policies just feel like a form of racket to stop me from buying superior and cheaper socialist goods because local porkies need their cut or else they gotta get a job.
Feels like? Isn’t that what this is?
This policy wouldn’t impact you as an individual consumer, this was for projects funded by the banks. Which government banks favoring locally manufactured products isn’t a terrible policy, keeping their constituents employed and whatnot.
This policy wouldn’t impact you as an individual consumer
couple things I used to buy for hobby projects that are tougher to get now. Guns are a big thing, but that’s more regulatory rather than protectionist.
Routers and e-bike batteries are big ones.
Guns Routers and e-bike batteries
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but none of those were part of this article which was discussing solar inverters in large scale projects.
Guns are a regulatory thing, which over here in Europe they are a lot harder to get than when I lived in the US, but it is just a matter of joining a club and some paperwork at least in the country I’m in.
Routers could be related to the chip shortages with AI, and e-bike batteries would almost more seem like a supply and demand issue with their increased popularity these days.
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but none of those were part of this article which was discussing solar inverters in large scale projects.
No, I was talking about protectionist policy in general, you are correct.
Routers could be related to the chip shortages with AI https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/foreign-made-wi-fi-routers-ban/
e-bike batteries would almost more seem like a supply and demand issue with their increased popularity these days.
I don’t think the socialist global industrial powerhouse is having an issue with batteries.
No, I was talking about protectionist policy in general, you are correct.
Ah ok yea, then yes it would be an impact to you more broadly with those.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/foreign-made-wi-fi-routers-ban/
My bad, I was assuming you were also in Europe/talking about Europe. The US is a whole different set of “fun” in that way.
I don’t think the socialist global industrial powerhouse is having an issue with batteries.
Correct, I should have been more explicit in calling it a localized supply and demand issue as the local retailers of the Chinese batteries are who I was meaning were having issues keeping supply on hand not that the actual producers couldn’t keep up
What’s the grand plan here? I am sure there is more behind it than just the EU being a suicide cult, right? What are they hoping to accomplish?
Chinese green technology poses national security problem for Europe, report warns ft.trib.al/r4qQMKH
Hilariously, when you actually read this FT article 👇 one of the main “national security problems for Europe” that could be “posed by Chinese green technology” is, quote: “that the US could demand Europe remove Chinese technology from its energy systems — or face tariffs, sanctions or reduced security commitments.”
In other words, a risk that has literally nothing to do with China but everything to do with the US’s chokehold on European sovereignty.
link: https://xcancel.com/RnaudBertrand/status/2049447067580547261#m
Insane way to blame China for this.
The master that holds our leash through capital leverage and military bases might launch an economic siege on us if we try to buy affordable equipment from China. Hence, this is China’s fault
I don’t see what else it could be to be honest. Seems that the EU is willing to destroy Europe on American orders. There doesn’t seem to be anything more sophisticated than that happening here.
Are they hoping that we will be too malnourished to behead them? lol.
Jokes aside, is there really no material reason? No gain to be had? Not even a false hope for them? Just “yup this is obviously gonna kill us all and we like that. Heil America”?
As a baby-marxist, i am not sure how to compute that lmao
I honestly cannot think of any rational reason here. Like even if Europe wanted to bootstrap domestic industries, then they still need energy to do that. Buying Chinese renewables is really the only option in the short term. Incidentally, that precisely the path Chinese leadership chose with the whole opening up approach. They realized they needed to bridge the gap with the west, and they allowed western companies in to learn from them. Right now, it’s Europe that needs to learn from China, but is instead choosing to cut itself off instead.
RIP us bozos in europe then lmao
I hope China will be kind once we crawl back to them. Although, socialist IMF loans and shocktherapy might be better /s
About that, I’m really curious to see what happens after this whole fiasco. Does anyone have any theory/guess on that? I suppose an Euro-American split is inevitable no matter what happens, but I’m honestly not super knowledgeable on marxist theory so don’t take my word for it.
Think Third Reich, but bigger. That means EU expansionism to East and South.
The idea is that you don’t need efficient energy if you’re not trying to be competitive. And what is the only industry that will always be subsidized by the state no matter how uncompetitive it is? Military. That is what the EU is banking on. Deindustrialize everything else and replace it with military production. The way this will be financed is by destroying European welfare systems and of course the Ponzi scheme of expanding the Eurozone. That is why they rushed Bulgaria into adopting the Euro, why they’ll do the same to Hungary and Romania (to the immense detriment of these countries) and why they are obsessed with absorbing every European country into the EU. In the meantime they will bend the knee to everything the US wants and will accept any humiliation as long as it keeps American military power in Europe, because they are scared shitless of losing the Americans.
I think that’s where things are going. But it’s even worse than that because there will be austerity without any meaningful military production. Just look at the whole plan to make 1.5 mil shells for Ukraine. Nothing much materialized in the end. The whole thing was just a slush fund where a bunch of people lined their pockets. The EU is run by a bunch of kleptocrats, and they will just keep robbing the public blind while scaring them with Russian invasion.
The EU cut itself off from Russian oil and gas. Industrial energy costs are already two to three times higher than its competition, and that’s even before the new shock with energy supply from the Middle-East being cut off. And their move is to deliberately raise the cost and slow down the rollout of Chinese solar, the cheapest and fastest-deploying form of electricity in the market, on the pretext it’s a security threat. You’d think the bigger security threat would be having your industrial base relocate to countries that didn’t voluntarily price themselves out of energy.
Has history ever seen a state (or states in the case of the EU) so hell-bent on committing suicide? They’re racing towards becoming an economic backwater at this rate. Bonus points for demilitarizing itself as well by funneling all their materiel into Ukraine sans their nukes. Even if parties opposed to this absolutely mad course of total vassalization by the US take power in the EU, Russian gas is not coming back. Not for decades at the very least.
European century of humiliation is basically locked in at this point.
Europe is increasingly turning into one big open air museum. Just forever stuck reminiscing on their past grandeur with a bunch of old shit that tourists come to gawk at and treat like a continent-sized Disneyland, and the sad part is a lot of Europeans want it that way and are proud of this.
If China is the world’s industry, the EU is the world’s retirement center.
Another great way of putting it.
lol this is so true. I love talking about medieval Europe.
And the most beautiful and fitting capstone?
The AMOC collapse which almost certain to happen within our lifetimes
