Yeah, everytime Kenny the fascist comes to tell me the woah’s of the world from his perspective. They get one conversation when I establish their position. The second convo is to establish my own. The third and subsequent conversations are purposefully hostile.
You have to maintain hygiene when dealing with these creatures.
I have heard the way to do it, is to take their crazy and take it WAY past their line until they back off themselves.
Moron: “There are only two genders!”
Normal: “Right?!”
Moron: “Ma-”
Normal: “Trans and supergay”.No comment on the contents of my example. It’s the only comic strip I remember at the moment.
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
That fact that there is a term for it is just as depressing.
In my wise old age I don’t waste time on fools. I no longer have the patience. I used to try to talk them out of whatever stupidity they’re peddling and it was rarely successful. Not worth the effort.
There are some people who have just been filled with so much wrong information over the course of their life that it’s impossible to reach them. Anything you say to them will have a keyword that puts their guard up, any fact you share would be fake news. It’s like their brains have been encrypted with the propaganda and hate. It’s pavlovian. I try to recognize it in myself and maintain an open mind but it’s hard.
Very true. And we have to remember that our own views are informed by years of study/observation in areas other people will not have paid any attention to. So often it would take a book worth of real life examples to give someone the same background experience, and they would have to read that book carefully over many months for those examples to sink in, and still then they might think those are cherry-picked examples, whereas you came across them organically.
Now imagine that they’re your parents.
It’s fucking awful.
I don’t have to
Now imagine it’s your children too.
I wish more people simply… Learned how to shut up.
It would also be great if people learn that being offended is a part of life and turning into a fucking Karen is not acceptable.
7/10 ppl online.
But w lemme its still 7/10…but there’s obly like 10 users so I can handle it.
I met a guy in a sauna the other day who started preaching to me and saying that he doesn’t believe in science because it contradicts the bible story of creation.
I just had nothing to say to this man. His perception of reality is so far off base that I cannot comprehend his thought processes.
Do you think he understands everyone else’s though processes? Presumably if you were surrounded by guys like him then you would be able to comprehend the way they think.
Maybe the temperature of the sauna was a little too high? /s
I went to a catholic school in my country. We got teach biology, evolution, genetics and we also got sexual education including abortion (the practice was illegal at the time). One of the first things that i remember from our teology classes was that “we shouldn’t take what is written in the bible in a literal sense and that it was written to a particular volk in a particular time by men”… and the example the Father used was specifically the Genesis, meaning “earth was not created in 6 days”.
I read stories of those lunatics, i mean, those who trully are in a crusade against reality. Are those more common over the equator or something?
did you ask him why he thinks that the bible is true?
“Because it is the word of god”
“Ok, and you know that because…?”
"The Bible says so.’
“And why do you think the Bible is true?”
Rinse and repeat
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I was trying to relax in the sauna, so I didn’t want to get into it. Which is part of the problem with preaching like that!
This is what lead me to question my own faith: just someone asking honest questions with real curiosity
Keep it mind it can take years for those seeds to bloom from doubt to realisation
It’s pointless, then they go on a tangent about how it’s the word of god etc. To them god is real and everything is about god and if they have to make leaps in logic it’s just because mere people can’t understand god’s will
That’s a classic one too
So often it’s me typing out a big old comment. Realizing I can preempt some nuance to help the conversation. Thinking of a dozen more little nitpicks that might happen and realizing it’s just not worth it and it’s really the idiocy of the argument that’s making it so hard to explain myself.
You encountered Brandolini’s Law aka the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: it takes an order of magnitude more effort to debunk bullshit than it takes to produce it.
Exactly that, one bullshit goes into circulation, it spreads everywhere strengthening its flawed position. And just like it was said, facts dont even matter at that point - requiring a novel approach to disprove it.
Hi, are you me?
No they are me
MAGAs. Sometimes I don’t even debate them, I ignore them and talk about them as if they weren’t there, make fun of their arguments, laugh at them, mock them, just generally bully them, without even addressing them directly. They really hate that.
MAGAs and Anti-Vaxxers are about the only acceptable bullying targets, and they should be bullied as viciously and as relentlessly as possible. The damage they have done is incalculable, they deserve it.
This reminds me of that quote
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
I’ve yet to encounter either on Lemmy.
Finding lemmy requires a certain level of knowledge they don’t really have. They go for the path of least resistance: Reddit.
Oh they’re out there. Talking ABOUT them, instead of talking TO them pisses them off because they are looking for an argument with a “Liberal®” so they can practice the conservative debate skills they hear on the radio or TV when the host sounds so smart debating nobody. They think they can do it for real (they can’t), so it is immensely frustrating when their intended target won’t engage, and mocks them instead.
Yes, i have meet a person before. I have also commented on the internet.
It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person. It’s damn near impossible to win an argument with an idiot.
The point you know you’ve beat an idiot in an argument…either they wanna fight you, they start attacking your character or they end the argument with a bullshit excuse.
Yeah, but then why have you bothered?
For the love of the game. I’m a world-class hater.
Why indeed? After a while, you learn to not bother in the first place.
To pat yourself on the back
The fact that I’m a 2/10 isn’t even the reason I’m so full of shit though.
“Right extremists are defending Democracy”
Just 2 weeks ago and I still haven’t recovered from hearing that in person.
this could be because they understand “democracy” completely differently, though honestly it’s probably just a cover for “our way of life” or “our interests”
like when the US goes to the middle east to spread “democracy”, they’re not actually spreading a better quality of life for the people, just violence and bloodshed. could be that your acquaintance meant it in that way.
Allegedly the guy who shot Charlie Kirk was a right extremist who’s take was Kirk was too moderate.
So far I think it’s a net gain for democracy though.
It’s an interesting hypothesis
Wasn’t that assumed because of the family, but he actually turned left?
Utah County prosecutor Jeffrey Gray said that Robinson’s mother told investigators that her son had become more political over the last year and had started to “lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights–oriented”.
Fair enough.
This does not support my hypothesis
My hypothesis is that the reason we’ve been seeing a lot of significant assassination attempts come from people who had been far right but are recently disillusioned or having a leftward turn is that the right has been priming and training itself for political violence for years (since about Ruby Ridge and Waco) and been engaged in the behavior they’re justifying their training and rhetoric by saying they need to violently stop governments from acting this way. So you have people ready to do violence, prepared to stop overreaching or totalitarian governments, and when these people stop being blinded by the propaganda, they start to see that behavior in their party and the ones who were actually ready to do violence do it.
