Thoughts on this? There is really not much proof that the movement exists other than social media posts, which is not really trustable to gauge these things.
I think this should be looked at similar to the anti-government protests in Iran from not too long ago.
On social media you would think that everyone in Iran is engaging in these protests, but it ends up existing mostly on social media. In the end, the women, life, freedom movement died.
I’m not saying that this is like that. What I am saying is that we should wait and see where this goes. If it turns out that people are actually taking this seriously then I think we’ll see this dissent grow with time.
I think we should wait and see for now.
Unless any actual action occurs from thus group I’d probably consider it an entirely online phenomenon.
True, i just thought it was worth posting about it.
I’m getting lib/petty bourgeois vibes from this. Not that Saudi Arabia doesn’t need a revolutionary overthrow of its despotic monarchy, but these methods strongly remind me of astroturfed color revolution movements. Smells too much like “Arab Spring” when online activists literally got NED (aka CIA) training.
Would be cool if it’s genuinely grassroots though. Cause fuck the Saudi monarchy.
I can see why you would feel that way, but I think the US wouldn’t want a color revolution occurring in KSA. I mean who would fund a color revolution there?
China is a big no.
Russia has its hands full w/Ukraine.
Iran is already invested in its other fronts.
Europe is struggling bc of Ukraine and now Trump.
There really is no one else to fund this that could benefit from it.
I don’t think isntrael is dumb enough to try a color revolution with its 2nd strongest ally.
This might be real, but we should wait before coming to conclusions.
I mean, even a geniune bourgeois revolution would be progressive in KSA. But considering the relationship of KSA with the US, i can’t see the US financing a color revolution here, that would put their interests in jeopardy since the KSA and all the gulf monarchies are good clients of the MIC and an integral part of the dollar system.
The problem with petty bourgeois activism of this kind is that it is almost always entirely ineffectual unless it receives real material and organizational support from the outside, i.e. as in the case of the archetypical color revolution playbook, with entire NGO networks and tons of cash to pay people to go and stay in the streets for days and days (most people need to work and can’t afford to do this unless someone pays them), pay for professionally printed banners and signs, etc.
Even online activism needs a certain amount of material support to produce professional propaganda designed to maximize psychological impact, pay for bot networks to distribute it and so on.
Without that kind of support this is just virtue signaling that inevitably fizzles out because there are no resources or organization behind it.
Well they claim to have members among the security institutions so we’ll see if it’s just a bluff or not in the coming months.
Probably a bluff, I don’t imagine someone like gaddafi in the saudi officer class but that could be my lack of imagination.
Saudis in general are weird fucks (not all of them tho).
They only go to my mosque during Eid prayers, and huddle together in their groups.
Their culture is also extremely materialistic, and it’s spreading like a cancer across the Arab world, including the diaspora. My own sibling has fallen for the designer bags / new car every other year lifestyle because of what she’s seen on social media.
I also talked to a Saudi guy in one of my classes years ago and he told me point blank, no sugar coating, that your last name dictates your caste in their society, showing how close you are to royalty.
I don’t blame them really, most of them were just handed this life
Well the real workforce of Saudi Arabia is not handed those rights. I can’t feel bad for them
Well I doubt it’s easy to protest in public there.
They claim to have members of the military and other security institutions among their members, but may be empty words since it’s social media.
The Saudi military on your side may be more of a hindrance then benefit.
Even if it is a US psyop, they deserve it because it is their own medicine that they funded in Libya, Lebanon, Syria and god knows where else. All the gulf state’s deserve it, especially the Emirates.
Qatar should be first to get it honestly, lest we forget who hosts the largest US military base in the Middle East.
Yeah, that jet they gave Trump is only the second most expensive gift they gave the empire. Al jazeera and their sectarian propaganda outlets being the first.
fr? i thought that AJ’s coverage of the genocide has been pretty fair no?
They have to do that, it would be too on the nose if they supported isntrael.
They’d lose a lot of credibility, because people would realize that they’re just gulf state propaganda wing.
That’s their one truth they tell so they can do gulf state and empires bidding, i.e. portraying jolani as a messiah, promoting Libyan intervention, etc. They are very conniving in their portrayal of Yemeni or shia based resistance, i.e. southern Lebanon. If they outright abandoned Palestine like they truly want to, they would have no credits to cash in. Kind of like how Europeans are now “condemning” the genocide
Edit: in Iraq, people burned down a saudi news outlet because they called sinwar a terrorist. Like they should have. I mean the burning down
I will add a full analysis of how al jazeera told half the truth about Oct 7th, dismissing some of the more absurd lies Israel told, but retaining some of the less ridiculous ones.
breakdown of their Oct 7 documentary as promised
They created a fake Tripoli square, faking that rebels had taken over. Like a complete stage set. I am trying to find sources for this again as it has been scrubbed.
Also, they don’t gaf about their own journalists. It’s just another peasant with a camera to the Qatari monarchs.
I mean yea, but it wouldn’t make sense geopolitically to be an US psyop.
True
I don’t want to give MEE any traffic, what are this lot about?
Asking with good faith: what’s the problem with MEE?
Qatari propaganda network that preys on sectarianism. Pretty much the same as Al-Jazeera, they spread lies about all non-sunni governments to drum up consent. Most recently they smeared the late Syrian Arab Republic in the aftermath of it’s destruction. Sure they’re broadly right about Palestine but their motives and end goals are disgusting and should not be supported.
oh wow. didn’t know that
Yep, somewhat ok reporting on Palestine is the drop of water they give you in order to make swallowing the poison pill of sectarianism and compradorism easier.
