Not sure how to tell you this, but the right wing has, does, and will target ANY Democratic (or 3rd party) candidate that poses a realistic chance of beating them in the presidential election. The right wing doesn’t want or know how to govern, they just want to control, so they attack those that are qualified to govern.
Russia and China support and amplify unserious 3rd party candidates like Stein and RFK Jr with the support of the Republicans, because without splitting the left’s votes, the Republicans would be a powerless minority
The right wing doesn’t want or know how to govern, they just want to control
Thank goodness liberals don’t have this problem.
Big broom sweeping Eric Adams, Lori Lightfoot, Kristen Sinema, and Henry Cuellar under the rug
Russia and China
American politicians would rather fight two more world wars than go to therapy.
It’s just naive in my opinion. They say they care so much about Palestine, but refuse to sit down, grow up, and face our current political reality. I would love to have ranked voting, or even just a valid third party choice, but that is not going to happen in the next 3 weeks. And we are still reeling from the repercussions of the last Trump Term. They’ll continue to stack government and courts with the same backwards thinkers to make progress, if any, even harder. They’ll continue to make life harder and more dangerous for not even just minorities, but just anyone who’s not able to buy their way out of it.
But it doesn’t matter! They’re both the same! There is no way Trump could be worse. Because while Palestinians watch Israel’s interpretation of “just end it” with out a cease fire, they’ll die with the knowledge that, somewhere, in another country, a woman is bleeding out in the parking lot because some people wanted to make a point. Oh, boy, won’t that be great? /s
IMO anyone who argues to vote third party right now is a Russian troll.
Well I wouldn’t disagree with out of hand but I would want to see your research on that.
A third party has literally no chance to win in our system, and nobody gives a single fuck about the miniscule amount of votes they do get - you’re not moving any metrics, or sending any messages, or taking any stands. All you’re doing is helping the worse option win.
So, if you truly hate Palestinians, then by all means vote Stein. If you want to see Ukraine taken over, then please vote Stein. If you want to see our country start murdering every version of queer people, then you really should vote Stein. That’s all you’re going to get for it.
Whether you like to see the truth or not, a vote for a third party is still a vote for genocide.
And abstaining a vote is… still a vote for genocide. People need to get over this desire to make believe that voting makes them complicit in something and instead realize that it’s a cold and rational duty. Vote for the best outcome possible. What you do the remaining 364 days of the year will decide your complicity.
So much of this dialogue appears to boil down to “America is a fascist country and everyone in it supports fascist policies no matter what they say or do”.
Vote Republican: You’re for genocide. Vote Dem: You’re for genocide. Third Party: Genocide. Write-In: Genocide. Abstain: Genocide. Protest Outside Your Polling Booth: Genocide.
What you do the remaining 364 days of the year will decide your complicity.
Fateful last words of Thomas Matthew Crooks
“Wait, I can support genocide while pretending I’m not a Nazi??”
- Diet RacistsWho in your scenario is supporting genocide exactly?
Low-key Nazis who vote third party just so they can later claim they didn’t vote for Trump? Idk, I hadn’t really thought that far into it. I mean, the guy down the road from me took down his swastika when he put up his “I stand with Israel” sign, but now his yard is covered in 50000 Trump signs, so I’m guessing he’s not voting third party…
miniscule amount of votes they do get - you’re not moving any metrics
If that’s true then why do you care? It’s a miniscule amount that’s not moving anything.
Let’s build some towers out of blocks and see whose is biggest!
The Dem tower is 48 blocks tall. The GOP Tower is 49 blocks tall. The 3rd party tower is 3 blocks tall. That 3 block tower isn’t enough to win, but if they stacked onto the Dem tower, that’s the difference between 4 years of status quo and 4 years of fascism.
I know a lot of hard lefties that would be very upset if they could math right now.
There are only 9 blocks that matter and 6 of them are in the GOP Tower.
Huh sounds like the people who have 3 blocks have a lot of influence. Considering the stakes shouldn’t the ones with the big towers be trying to appease the ones with three blocks?
I mean this doesn’t sound insignificant at all. I thought they were “not moving any metrics”?
Sure, let’s go down this line of reasoning. You appease the 3 blockers, and lose 10 blocks in the process. Now the Dem tower is 41 and the GOP tower is 59. Objectively a bad trade. What incentive does that provide?
Huh sounds like the people who have 3 blocks have a lot of influence. Considering the stakes shouldn’t the ones with the big towers be trying to appease the ones with three blocks?
By appeasing the 3 blocks, you’ve now lost 10 blocks from your own tower. Congratulations!
so it’s, “our way or Hitler 2.0?”
doesn’t sound very progressive to me. kinda sounds like…
so it’s, “our way or Hitler 2.0?”
Isn’t “Our Way” the whole Green New Deal to save everyone on the planet from roasting alive due to climate change?
And when your analytics shows that adopting those policies will lose you more voters than you’d gain from the likely third party vote, what then?
Sounds more like the people with three blocks know the consequences of a Trump victory and are using their vote as ransom to make demands over a single issue that will get far worse if Trump wins.
So in essence. The people with three blocks are entitled and ignorant and quite possibly purposefully helping Trump win.
It’s crazy that the average American voter doesn’t know what the electoral college is.
it’s crazy the average hard lib is a humorless husk of a human being with zero awareness of what a joke is.
Some states/districts have come down to a few hundred or a few thousand votes. I don’t agree with the above comment that it doesn’t matter. Third parties are spoilers
I’ll keep saying it: This is not a Mexican standoff you can win because the Dems have an out: the center voter. If you want the Dems to stop going center, they have to win all 3 houses consistently. They’ve had all 3 for only 4 of the last 24 years.
Also that one time, if I recall correctly, had a bunch of Dems who were “pro-life” and vaguely Dem to get votes but not really progressive at all.
“Blue Dogs”. 2010 and 2012 erased a lot of them.
This is an insane take. “Once you show the democrats they have your unconditional support and have given them unchecked power, that’s when they’ll listen to you.” If you want to move american politics left the republicans sure arent gonna do it, but the dems arent going to either if you keep voting for them as they move further and further center. Thats just positive reinforcement and shows them that youre a little bitch who will vote for them no matter what. (Disclaimer: i agree people should vote for kamala in this upcoming election if theyre in a swing state, but they should also be as loud and obnoxious as possible about how distasteful it is, and all of you little bootlickers voting ‘blue no matter who’ just empower them ignoring the voice of the people and continuing to commit war crimes. Stop attacking good citizens who want an end to genocide and start using your voice to pressure the people responsible for it).
No, it’s because you can’t get anything done in the American federal government without clear majority support from at least both houses of congress, just by the nature of how the government works and the current partisan climate. Democrats cannot pass progressive legislation without that support. Republicans are consistently successful in their goals because their goals do not require passing legislation; they require blocking it.
This is naive. Democrats have been stringing you along, decade after decade saying one thing and doing another, using whatever excuse they have available, and you seriously think they’re just waiting for the perfect time to unleash all this progressive legislation? Theyll just keep moving the goalposts as long as they have a willing voter base who never questions them because theyre better (undeniably true but still not good enough) than the evil republicans. They set up the opposition as the ultimate boogeyman so you’ll never question their half-measures. You should demand more when you have the power and leverage.
Right, yeah, they’re evil and they’ve had unfettered power to enact popular policy that would work in their favor for decades but haven’t done any of it yet because we’re dumb sheeple who actually understand how the U.S. political system works
If you’re third party, it’s currently a 2 party system but your end game is ranked choice voting, so throw your vote at the non-Republican who has the highest chance. After all, they use third party candidates such as RFK to siphon votes so you can only guess how strongly they’d oppose any system that disallows them from using that to their advantage. A vote for Republicans is a vote to never ever have third party candidates have any chance in any presidential election, just a strategic tool to help Republicans win
Most of far leftists you see here with their accusations of “dOiNg a gEnOciDe” were absent from any discussions about Palestine prior to October. And I’d wager that a large portion of them couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map until around then either. I’d even guess that many of them still couldn’t.
I’ll digress.
At this point- you should probably know by now that there is no changing their minds. They know what they’re doing- we know what they’re doing. And there’s no point in debating with them because they’re just going to drag things out and repeatedly accuse you of shit that isn’t true in order to not have to answer anyone asking them to make sense of the rhetoric they repeatedly post here…
Call out their nonsense for what it is and move on. Save yourselves the time.
Most of far leftists you see here with their accusations of “dOiNg a gEnOciDe” were absent from any discussions about Palestine prior to October
This is one of the funnier things I’ve seen a Democrat make up to smear anyone to their left.
The whole meme is bullshit. Libdems screamed at leftists to shut up throughout 2016. First it was to forget about Bernie and vote for the historically unpopular warmonger whose “turn” it was. After she lost to a nearly equally unpopular opponent, they screamed that it was time to resist, not actually consider the mistakes they made.
Just like there is no actually acceptable method to protest under neoliberalism, there is no actually acceptable time to push for third parties and alternate voting systems.
If Hillary made it in 2016 we’d have a much better supreme court and Roe v Wade would still be a thing but you sure showed all the libdems.
Hillary Clinton would have almost certainly won if her entire platform wasn’t based around the idea that she didn’t have to do anything good because, hey, what do you want to do, vote for Trump?
Blame her, because she is the one who fucked it up.
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The whole meme is bullshit.
I VOTED FOR HILLARY
So did Bernie.
Yikes, maybe time for a break
This is one of the funnier things I’ve seen a Democrat make up to smear anyone to their left.
And this is one of the funnier rebuttals to being called out if only because there’s no denial of it.
Leftists are some of the only people who paid attention or cared about Palestine before last year.
Yeah… they’re not though.
Voting þird party under fpðp is like voting for mexican food while dining out in ð UK.
Even if you some ð fuck how managed to bully everyone else into doing it, you’re still eating mexican food made in ð UK.
Ðat shit makes Taco Bell look like ð mom and pop shop that just labels ðeir sauces by ð color and ðat consider hundred k scoville ingredients ð dietary accomodation food for midwestern white people.
Am I having a stoke?
Dude likes using the ancient letters “thorn” and “eth” which sound like th and the. So fp(eth)p is short for “first past the post” which is how our voting system works. Sorry for quick series of ninja edits!
Strðke?
Remember, Ho Chi Minh knew all about America’s history of genocide when he helped American soldiers fight the Japanese in WW2.
Sometimes, it’s expedient to ally with those who aren’t nice,
