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Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez openly condemned the US and Israeli strikes on Saturday, warning that they could heighten regional tensions and “contribute to a more uncertain and hostile international order.”
At least one EU country still remembers international law.
Recognizes Palestine ✅ Recognizes trans gender rights ✅ Amnesty to 500,000 immigrants✅ Condemns US & Israel strikes ✅ Tapas✅ 🇪🇦
Spain once again demonstrating they have cojones. Big ones. A round of applause, please.
Guess Spain is one of those nations lucky enough to not have some of their citizens abducted/‘apprehended’ by Iran to have tortured/murdered. Yet.
Thats maybe because Spain keeps busy solving their own issues?
Guess Spain is one of those nations lucky enough to not have some of their citizens abducted/‘apprehended’ by Iran to have tortured/murdered. Yet.
Can you provide any evidence/sources for such claims? Not supporting Iran here, but not supporting US and Israel either.
Well I can’t to be honest. I didn’t know of any notable prisoners but after a quick google search I already found two recent cases:
https://apnews.com/article/iran-spain-walker-prison-released-a0886ef5099aa474c182b19ac72a7350
But I don’t see how this would ‘support’ either Iran, US or Israel? My comment was about Spain
Sure, I understand that, but your comment read like “Spanish citizens aren’t murdered by Iran, but other countries’ are”, hence my question.
Yes, I’ve searched for such cases and there are examples.
I don’t argue the fact that Iran is ruled by a horrendous terrorist group, but I do argue the approach the current US administration is taking. I guess Sanchez is expressing the same concern.
Well you can read my comment as: It’s easy to take a pacifist stance on these matters. As opposed to say Merz who admits “they’re doing our dirty work”. It’s easy to say we should just all get along when you’re not the one being hurt.
Only European country with balls and common sense.
Not the only european country, but yeah they are very few.
It is very positive to see a EU member state recognising international law.
More of this please!
Boom. Slammed. Now what?
Well, better than applauding them, like the german government. The articulated opinion of governments does matter, even if today its not gonna stop a single bomb.
Pedro Sanchez hostage of the far-left to keep in power, this won’t end up well. All these concessions to the far-left will only serve to legitimate the center-right making a future coalition with the far-right.
This is in no way a demonstration of courage, it only exposes the weakness of the current Spanish government.
Is dying for Israeli foreign policy goals now centrism?
Hezbollah is attacking Cyprus, Iranian drones kill Ukrainians everyday, opposition in Iran is murdered by the thousands… why is defeating such an aggressive fascist regime an exclusively Israeli goal? It is not.
This is conflation and false equivalence. You are bundling together Hezbollah’s actions, Iranian drones in Ukraine, and Iran’s internal repression as if they’re all the same threat. Each issue is distinct and requires its own response. Hezbollah operates semi-independently, Iran’s drone exports are part of a separate conflict, and domestic repression is a human rights issue. You and your propaganda are trying your best to create a misleading picture of a single, unified enemy, which can justify broad military action rather than targeted, diplomatic solutions. The bigger risk is that this kind of framing escalates tensions instead of resolving them. Treating all these issues as one ignores the complexity of each and can lead to overreach or unintended consequences. A more effective approach is to address each problem on its own terms (through diplomacy, sanctions, or multilateral cooperation) rather than treating them as part of a monolithic threat. Then again, if republicans were ever interested in peace they wouldn’t have ripped the nuclear agreement with Iran. Which they did despite no evidence of a nuclear weapons program after it was halted.
You replied to my comment on the Spanish government with “dying for Israeli policy” when no European troops are involved in this so far and you accuse me of making false equivalences and conflation?
Are you now talking about US politics? That was not my point, at all. Again, from an European perspective there’s not reason to get too involved, including no reason to “slam the attack”, as this can very much serve our own interests and it’s in our best interest that the Iranian regimes falls to the ground.
No one is arguing that Europe should avoid involvement in the Middle East; the question is how Europe should engage. The notion that further antagonizing Iran or destabilizing the Middle East, especially through direct conflict, would somehow benefit European interests is not just deeply flawed; it is delusional.
The moral argument against Iran’s regime is beyond dispute. We can all agree that the regime is reprehensible, but we must also carefully assess the direct repercussions for European interests:
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Economic Fallout: Europe’s energy security and trade routes depend on Middle Eastern stability. A major conflict would disrupt oil and gas supplies, send energy prices soaring, and fuel inflation at a time when European economies are already fragile. The 2022 energy crisis demonstrated just how vulnerable Europe is to regional instability. Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz means any escalation risks severing critical supply lines. If Europe becomes reliant on the US for regional stability, it effectively becomes a hostage to American policy.
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Migration and Security: Instability in the Middle East has repeatedly triggered mass displacement and migration waves toward Europe. A collapsed Iranian regime or prolonged conflict would likely intensify this, straining European borders, resources, and political cohesion. The result would be a new migration crisis, further empowering far-right parties and undermining European institutions.
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Terrorism and Radicalization: A destabilized Iran or a regional power vacuum could embolden extremist groups, increasing the risk of terrorism in Europe. For all its flaws, Iran’s current regime at least acts as a counterweight to groups like ISIS. Its collapse could unleash chaos that spills over into Europe through radicalized networks or direct attacks. European civilians would likely pay the price for this war and, in effect, for Israel’s foreign policy objectives.
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Diplomatic Isolation: Europe’s global influence rests on its ability to act as a mediator and uphold international law. Openly advocating for regime change or conflict (without a clear plan for the aftermath) would alienate partners, erode Europe’s moral standing, and tie it to hardline US or Israeli policies that many Europeans oppose. It would also complicate negotiations on issues like nuclear proliferation or regional conflicts. Moreover, this war lacks legal justification. Spain’s position is perfectly understandable, especially when considering the broader context of US politics, which must be factored in, given that the US is driving the war effort.
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Strategic Dependence: Europe is not the US; it lacks the military or economic leverage to unilaterally shape outcomes in the Middle East. Antagonizing Iran would force Europe to either blindly align with US-Israeli actions (losing autonomy) or face retaliation (cyberattacks, proxy conflicts, or economic pressure) without the means to respond effectively. This underscores Europe’s vulnerability in securing trade routes in the short term, before it can develop independent capabilities.
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Long-Term Instability: Regime change rarely leads to stable, pro-Western democracies; more often, it creates failed states or hostile governments. A fragmented Iran could become a haven for warlords, extremists, or rival powers like Russia or China (none of which serve European interests). Even among Iranian supporters of liberal reforms, there is widespread contempt for the West. Europe gains nothing by being lumped in with the US and becoming a target for a new generation of Iranian terrorists.
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Rising Oil Prices and Russian War Funding: Instability in the Middle East inevitably drives up global oil prices, which directly bolsters Russia’s war economy. Higher oil revenues enable Moscow to sustain and even expand its military mobilization, placing both Europe and Ukraine in an even more precarious strategic position.
In short, while the current Iranian regime is deeply problematic, the war unleashed by Trump and the Republican Party (and the potential collapse of Iran) would pose far greater risks to Europe than the status quo. The prudent course is de-escalation, diplomacy, and pushing for reform, not betting on chaos.
US politics are absolutely relevant here: The US is the driving force behind this escalation, and Europe cannot ignore this reality. Trump is desperate to bury the Epstein scandal and hopes a war and terrorism will distract from his economic policy failures. Leaks suggest that top Republican circles around Trump are hoping to provoke a crisis that could justify martial law and greater control over elections, or even their suspension. Meanwhile, Big Tech is aggressively lobbying Washington to take a stand against European regulation, as seen in the recent exchange between Musk and the Spanish government. The US is well aware of how damaging this war would be for Europe, and very likely is counting on it to fragment the EU and sow division.
And you think Spain, or any reasonable nation, should not condemn these attacks?
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Hezbollah attacked the sovereign UK base, not the Republic of Cyprus.
Regime change begins at home
And it did, thousands of Iranians died for it just in recent months.
The Enlightened Centrist: Oh no, the existence of a social democrat party might make the “center” align with the fascists!
Ridiculous, MAGA level nonsense
Jokes on you … in Germany our social democratic party are the centrists!
No, but the social-democrats aligning with Islamic fascists opens the way for Christian-democrats to align with Christian-fascists. Save this comment till the next Spanish election.
the way for Christian-democrats to align with Christian-fascists
Crazy idea: don’t pander to crypto fascists.
Equating Spain’s action to “aligning with Islamic fascists” is ridiculous. Are Spanish missiles flying towards targets designated by Iran? Of course not. This is just neutrality in the face of imperialist wars.
How embarrassing!
And killing children and ignoring international law is not “embarrassing” to you?
Taking out the mullah regime is not embarrassing. Please be clear that the bombing in Iran follows wholly different patterns than in Gaza. The bombings in Gaza, killing children, civilians, indiscriminately, were war crimes soon to be deemed a genocide by court.
Sure, but then why ally yourself with a fascist regime like Israel’s?
Edit: also why not agree with your so-called “allies”. Trump just destroys what Trump wants and lets everyone else deal with the aftermath.
Neither of us, neither you or me, ally ourselves with the regimes in Iran or Israel. So nope, that’s not the point here.
The gov in Spain is just posturing and that’s embarrassing. The gov should support Iranians who want a secular, free society.
What’s embarrassing is simping for Trump’s and Bibi’s illegal wars.







